Would you vote conservative again?

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I wouldn’t vote conservative again after the total shambles that have been the last 12 years. They’re constantly infighting rather than sorting out the economy and have left the NHS in a total mess. No care for people suffering from the cost of living crisis

I've always voted Tory and like fuck would I vote for them again. I'm foaming for a general election so I can vote labour.

I don't understand why labour isn't a viable option compared to what that wench has done to this country in the past 4 weeks?!

The only reason I voted Tory last time was because of Labour dithering over funding Trident and I'm not thrilled with the idea of living in a country with shit nuclear powers and defence with twats like Putin roaming the earth (link to more info below in case I sound crackers).

But now is the time for them to go, Trident or not. They have single handedly fucked us into the wall as a nation and I'd rather vote for Frank Gallagher than these odious wankers ever again.

amp.theguardian.com/politics/2019/nov/25/labours-progressive-manifesto-let-down-by-stance-on-trident

I think that if you don't like the Tories but won't vote Labour then in the absence of proportional representation then you're going to have to accept indefinite Tory government.

Supposing Rishi Sunak is selected as new PM and does a reasonable job of restabilising and getting things on a more positive trend and greater confidence in the markets over the next 2 years leading up to a General Election then I would consider voting Conservative. Despite people on here hurling insults just because people choose to exercise their democratic right to voting for the Party of their choice, I reserve the right to wait and see.

The question in the OP feels like a bear-trap, if you give the "wrong" answer that doesn't align to the MN mafia, you'll be called every C word under the sun, but do I care?

@GreatHonkingPudding Great post!

I married a tory. From a very tory family and privileged.

I'm left leaning but I could understand the rhetoric of the Tory party of the past probably right up to cameron. But I don't recognise this incantation of the Tory party at all. I think boris johnson is a chilling and dangerous figure who will be judged by history.

My husband is completely anti-tory now. Will never, ever vote for them again. The scales have truly fallen. Maybe other true-blue voters will follow suit?

I am concerned about the lack of critical thinking in this country. It's hard to not judge when I see people voting for harmful policies and cheering them on.

Not to worry. My two eldest will be old enough to vote in 2024, and they've lived through the Brexit/Boris/Covid years. They can't imagine voting Conservative.

Even though last 4 months bad I will still vote Conservative providing Sunak or Maudant are not PM. I would never vote Labour. I have 8 btl properties which I have invested in and they want to either force me to house tenants I would not choose myself or pay huge amounts of council tax on them if they are empty. DH and 2 X DS agree.

Never have never would.

3 reason for voting Tory

1. To prioritise the desires of the super rich over the needs of the vast majority of citizens
2. To ensure corruption, incompetence and lying remain central to Westminster
3. To cripple the UK and it’s standing in the World

I didn’t agree with the spending, sadly people pointing this out just got a load of abuse - mostly from the left so I’m not that convinced Labour would have avoided huge pandemic debt.

I appreciated his views which align with mine that it was a mistake to be lead so strongly without considering down sides.

Overall he knows what he’s talking about. Eg FT article during leadership race. And we need someone who has a calming effect on the markets.

Having said that apart from sex based rights issue at this point it’d be interested to see Labour deal with the increased demands in pay etc without inflationary wage spiral and how they’d fund it.

And here lies the problem with our country

Are you certain that Labour don't have a grasp of economics though?

Apparently not -

Labour’s £29 billion energy bills plan would not fully cover the expected rise in the energy price cap, because it doesn’t take account of most customers’ higher gas and electricity consumption during the winter.

Freezing the price cap would cost consumers, energy companies or the government around £8 billion more than Labour says in its plans, according to the Institute for Fiscal Studies (IFS), which analysed the figures after discussion with Full Fact.

Our own analysis suggests that Labour’s plan contains a shortfall of around £5 billion for direct debit customers alone, and an additional shortfall for other types of customer.

fullfact.org/economy/labour-energy-bills-seasonal-consumption/

I know people who have just been completely and absolutely fucked over by the rise in interest rates.

Except that issue isn't specific to the U.K. Europe and the U.S. also have high inflation so are having to increase interest rates. You can certainly blame Putin and OPEC for their role in driving up energy prices.

Put bluntly, the issue is that the Bank of England got its inflation forecasts wrong and has been slow to take action. Interest rates should be higher hence they're forecast to double in the next six months. It's painful for net borrowers but the impact of 10% inflation on the economy would be worse.

Depends on my opinion of the relative merits of the manifesto at the time and the character and composition of the opposing parties.
It’s interesting that people on this thread are questioning why some posters would state they would “never vote Labour” whilst stating they would never vote conservative?

At the end of the last Labour Gov, the incumbents had crippled the NHS and education sector with billions of pounds of PFI debt that is still in place today, introduced working tax credit which has made the uk one of the lowest wage & subsequently lowest growth economies in Europe (& ironically reduced the power of the unions!) allowing business to be permanently subsidized by the state, decimated education with their ideological nonsense around SEND & inclusion leading to the closure of 100’s of special schools and taken the country into an illegal war the ramifications of which are still felt today. I could go on but I won’t.

But that was then …. The current Labour Party have a different manifesto, different character and different people so to say “I’ll never vote Labour again” based on what happened last time is equally as idiotic as saying “I’ll never vote conservative again” after this shower of shit.

British politics would be infinitely improved if the general public was taught to actually think and critically evaluate rather than endless repetition of stereotypical partisan nonsense. if your vote can never be changed, then you are the problem not the solution.

No mortgages? Not worried about higher payments, negative equity and a housing price crash?

Calling people 'cts' because of their political views is out of order

In more sedate political times I’d probably agree but given we’re living through incredibly tough economic times impacting peoples lives in physical ways I think it’s more than understandable that a statement of intention to vote in favour of more of the same generates that response.

People are already cold and hungry, people are already suffering physical illness and injury, and in cases dying, people are already facing uncertainty of a roof over their heads because of the woeful management of this government. This is one of those occasions I don’t believe it’s internet bravado, try telling any one of them you want more of this and I’m pretty certain they’d call you a cunt to your face right now.

If you have houses standing empty while there are thousands of homeless people in the UK, I think it's fair that you pay a heavy tax penalty.

@Isitsixoclockalready absolutely agree. I see it as a kind of Stockholm syndrome. The fear of voting for anyone else, completely irrational. I've heard posters say that although Starmer is a moderate the rest of the party (Momentum) are basically trots waiting to remove everyones homes but the thing is Starmer is portrayed as Blair Mark 2 by the remaining Corbynites and Blair was far from socialist 🙄

It’s a bit like some relationships on MN, a low bar is all that’s needed.

@AllThingsServeTheBeam

What people trying to do better for themselves and their family ?

Personally I've always been better off under a Labour government. As a low earner and single parent they are far more family friendly. Family services have now been decimated. Early years staff are doing a lot of work that used to be done by health visitors and other therapists without the pay level that goes with those roles. Tax credits, while they may have their problems, made sure my family could survive on my low wages. Rolling it into UC looks like a much tougher deal. I wouldn't have been able to support my children if they had been capped at two children back then. We need policies that support the family and lower earners again rather than just directing people to homeless bed and breakfasts and food banks. I also think the earning bracket for higher tax should be raised. £50k isn't a lot these days relative to what it was when first put in place. Let average families keep more of their hard earned money so they can spend more and put back into the economy.

The Tories provide more cliffhangers and high quality drama than the BBC. Their absence would create an unfillable vacuum.

@caringcarer ooo nice you can join me on the MN gallows, I may vote Tory at the next election and you're an evil landlord. I'm happy to take the first rotten tomato

Same.

Politics today is in turmoil but as soon as the waters calm this will all be long forgotten and people will make their decisions based on manifesto's at the time .

@red4321 your post isn’t wrong, the difference being that I don’t believe any other country has had to completely withdraw a ‘fiscal statement’, including measures to cushion people, nor watch their currency tank every time those in charge open their mouths.

I don’t honestly know if I can bring myself to vote for either Labour or Conservatives so if I have the option then I will be voting for the Greens. I believe it’s better to show whichever useless government comes in, that the electorate cares about the environment and I would urge anyone to consider doing the same or voting for another candidate rather than not voting at all.