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Would you vote conservative again?

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Erica56 · 22/10/2022 09:34

I wouldn’t vote conservative again after the total shambles that have been the last 12 years. They’re constantly infighting rather than sorting out the economy and have left the NHS in a total mess. No care for people suffering from the cost of living crisis

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Boomboom22 · 07/11/2023 19:40

MadeleineMummy · 07/11/2023 18:37

Why?

Why do you deny pfi? Do you believe labour paid for all the investment? How do you explain them leaving the next few governments to pay not through normal gov borrowing but private financing. We would have billions more in the nhs were it not for pfi and funding for more and more management started then.
Also the tories wanted to train more doctors but the bmi shut it down saying they wanted to be elite and a shortage essentially.

verdantverdure · 08/11/2023 05:21

MintJulia · 07/11/2023 15:06

@verdantverdure It needs fixing because we don't want to jump from the frying pan to the fire.

I want a government that recognises and respects women. That protects our safe spaces.

I'm not voting for a party that will 'only be equally as bad' because they could be worse. The whole point of a general election is to vote for something better.

So which party are you voting for that recognises and respects women and that protects our safe spaces?

Alexandra2001 · 08/11/2023 06:51

Boomboom22 · 07/11/2023 19:40

Why do you deny pfi? Do you believe labour paid for all the investment? How do you explain them leaving the next few governments to pay not through normal gov borrowing but private financing. We would have billions more in the nhs were it not for pfi and funding for more and more management started then.
Also the tories wanted to train more doctors but the bmi shut it down saying they wanted to be elite and a shortage essentially.

PFI costs the NHS £2bn per year, not even enough to run it for a week, what was Blairs alternative?
Where would the NHS be without these new hospitals?

The Tories introduced trusts in 1991 & together with outsourcing various roles have tripled "management" as all these separate companies need duplicate management.

So the Tories, with a majority in Parliament, didn't train more Dr's because a Union said no? thats a first.

Any ideas why the Tories didn't train enough Nurses, Physio's OTs, SALTS, Social workers, Radiographers, pay carers more or made AHPs pay tuition fees?

Perhaps all their unions said no too.......

NicolaSixSix · 08/11/2023 08:26

verdantverdure · 08/11/2023 05:21

So which party are you voting for that recognises and respects women and that protects our safe spaces?

Do the Tories respect it? Because they told Trusts to pause hiring into DEI roles? 😂

JudgeJ · 08/11/2023 08:31

Rollingdownland · 22/10/2022 09:36

Well, I wouldn't vote Labour. That much I know.

And there lies the problem!

MintJulia · 08/11/2023 08:42

@verdantverdure 'So which party are you voting for that recognises and respects women and that protects our safe spaces?'

Well, precisely ! Not exactly spoiled for choice, are we.

Kendodd · 08/11/2023 10:06

If I vote Tory does that mean I get to go round and rip tents off sleeping homeless people myself? (Jumps up and down in glee)

Desecratedcoconut · 08/11/2023 10:10

JudgeJ · 08/11/2023 08:31

And there lies the problem!

What's the problem?

Monwmum · 08/11/2023 10:13

Under Tony Blair's government we lost our local A&E department and our maternity ward. We now have to travel 40 minutes to access both. We live in a very large town just off the M40. This happened all over the country and was the beginning of the end of the NHS in my opinion. But I do agree it has deteriorated further under Tories. I honestly have no idea how to vote this time round

BMW6 · 08/11/2023 10:19

Kendodd · 08/11/2023 10:06

If I vote Tory does that mean I get to go round and rip tents off sleeping homeless people myself? (Jumps up and down in glee)

Good cardiovascular exercise 😏

Seymour5 · 08/11/2023 10:37

Talk to volunteers and/or paid workers who work with homeless people. There are families classed as homeless who may be in temporary housing, staying with family or friends. They make up the bulk of homeless households.

Rough sleepers/street homeless are a very mixed group. Mainly single adults of working age. Some will have been supported and rehoused, perhaps on multiple occasions, but have been unable to sustain a tenancy, for all sorts of reasons. Addiction, mental health issues that are not being addressed, sometimes by the individual, sometimes through lack of services. Some will actually choose not to have a permanent home, but will go to hostels and night shelters in bad weather. Some will be foreign nationals who have no welfare rights in the UK.

What can be done to move the visibly homeless off the streets?

Kendodd · 08/11/2023 10:57

Seymour5 · 08/11/2023 10:37

Talk to volunteers and/or paid workers who work with homeless people. There are families classed as homeless who may be in temporary housing, staying with family or friends. They make up the bulk of homeless households.

Rough sleepers/street homeless are a very mixed group. Mainly single adults of working age. Some will have been supported and rehoused, perhaps on multiple occasions, but have been unable to sustain a tenancy, for all sorts of reasons. Addiction, mental health issues that are not being addressed, sometimes by the individual, sometimes through lack of services. Some will actually choose not to have a permanent home, but will go to hostels and night shelters in bad weather. Some will be foreign nationals who have no welfare rights in the UK.

What can be done to move the visibly homeless off the streets?

No questions asked, immediate access pod hotels. Seperate floors/rooms for male/female/drinkers/drugtakers/people with dogs. Washing facilities but no social spaces.

Capsule hotel - Wikipedia

Capsule hotel - Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capsule_hotel

verdantverdure · 08/11/2023 11:34

Monwmum · 08/11/2023 10:13

Under Tony Blair's government we lost our local A&E department and our maternity ward. We now have to travel 40 minutes to access both. We live in a very large town just off the M40. This happened all over the country and was the beginning of the end of the NHS in my opinion. But I do agree it has deteriorated further under Tories. I honestly have no idea how to vote this time round

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We're losing one of our biggest hospitals in Surrey due to the RAAC identified in 2012 not being addressed over the past 11 years.

Your constituency might be a Lib Dem target? Who can win in your constituency might be the most pertinent question. If you want to vote effectively it might be best to pick one of those who can win?

For example in Uxbridge the result could've been different if the voters for the Green candidate, the Lib Dem candidate or the voters for the whole host of candidates who had no hope of winning had thrown their lot in with one of the front runners.

Personally, I'm in the "The country can't afford another five years of the Tories so I'll vote for whoever can win in my constituency who isn't a Tory." camp.

budgiegirl · 08/11/2023 11:50

I've never voted Conservative, and I doubt I ever will. However, I used to be able to at least be able to respect that some people will vote Conservative. But now I can't understand or respect their opinion at all. Our country is in an absolute state, it makes me angry, and really very sad for my children (young adults) growing up in a broken country. Can't get a dentist. Can't get an ambulance (my FIL died waiting for an ambulance last year). Young adults can't afford a house or mortgage, and even renting is difficult. Cost of living is rocketing. Foodbank use at a record high. The shit show that is Brexit. Homelessness described as a 'life choice'.

And I lay that solely at the door of the Conservatives and their policies over the last 13 years. Not helped by the fact that they are a bunch of self-serving, back-biting buffoons.

This quote comes to mind when I think of Conservative voters -
Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results

TheFatRat · 08/11/2023 20:09

I agree you can't get an NHS dentist anymore, but it's been going that way for ages. They don't want it on the NHS and one day it will be only available for children, the retired (seniors) and the out of work. I already have a private dentist so no bother and would be happy for the catagories above to be prioritised with NHS dentistry.

I'm really not sure who to vote for because I float and will have to wait till nearer the time to see what they offer.

Immigration, the NHS and retaining women's rights are important to me. Brexit doesnt affect me so not bothered. I will be watching carefully to see who offers what. Would I vote conservative? Maybe? Maybe not?

verdantverdure · 08/11/2023 20:22

Brexit affects us all. It's a millstone around the neck of our economy dragging us down. Brexit's a big part of why this country is so much worse than it was ten years ago.

We could be spending the 100 billion a year that brexit costs this country on the NHS and taking RAAC out of our children's schools and all the other things the government tell us we can't afford.

Alexandra2001 · 09/11/2023 07:51

TheFatRat · 08/11/2023 20:09

I agree you can't get an NHS dentist anymore, but it's been going that way for ages. They don't want it on the NHS and one day it will be only available for children, the retired (seniors) and the out of work. I already have a private dentist so no bother and would be happy for the catagories above to be prioritised with NHS dentistry.

I'm really not sure who to vote for because I float and will have to wait till nearer the time to see what they offer.

Immigration, the NHS and retaining women's rights are important to me. Brexit doesnt affect me so not bothered. I will be watching carefully to see who offers what. Would I vote conservative? Maybe? Maybe not?

Children, Seniors & those out of work have no more access to an NHS dentist then anyone else.

Dentistry has been going down hill even before 2010 its just got far worse under them & Brexit made many EU dentists leave the UK and stopped EU dentists coming here, along with all other healthcare workers.

So Brexit does affect you.

LBFseBrom · 28/09/2024 20:38

AllPlayedOut · 22/10/2022 09:36

I've never voted for them in my life and I doubt I ever will.

Nor me, always Labour.

I was very impressed with Tim Farron of the Lib Dems when he was on Question Time, last but one programme, first in new series. He was so sensible and appeared to have such integrity in the way he answered the (predictable) questions.

If he was standing for election where I live I would consider voting for him. My Tory MP is a prat. The Labour MP where I used to live (virtually just up the road, I was on the border), was marvellous and has been MP there forever.

However that is all individuals and personalities.

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