To think DH comment about Liz Truss could be final straw?

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DH can be a bit of an idiot. Getting more right wing in his old age. Went through a stage of reading a load of nonsense online. Jordan Peterson etc.

News was on. And he just turned to me and said

"I've been reading some alternative theory behind all this. And I think it may well be the globalists who have forced Truss out"

When I asked who these globalists were, he just said

"The people in charge. Jeremy Hunt. Banks"

When I started to question it, I could feel it was gonna get into an argument v quickly so I just left to do the laundry

Things have been bad for a while. How batshit barmy is this comment? To me it feels totally crazy. I don't know if I can be with someone who feels so distant in the way he thinks the world works.

What do others think? Am I being ott to think this is some seriously worrying shit coming out his mouth?

What about the Anti Growth Coalition or Coalition of Chaos or whatever the latest scare group Are? Meanwhile the real villains the ERG or the Taxpayers Association are hiding in plain sight.

@Towcat15 Why will i regret starting it?

Thing is he backs down or dilutes what he's saying somehow. So he was all like "the globalists blah blah" but then he just says he means people who are invested in countries working together internationally and maintaining the status quo and LT was more interested in national interests.

He has said some weird stuff in the past. Chemicals in the water. But he always backs down when I question it or starts just me so confusing that it's hard to discuss anything.

In truth I don't respect him. And perhaps that's all there is to it.

But I will be making my kids life a hell of a lot more difficult so feels like a big thing to leave

But I can't see him changing. He's very difficult to talk to about these things so I either ignore, spend my life arguing, or leave

My SiL fell down the QAnon rabbit hole during covid. It was really difficult for my brother. She's out of it now and gone down an Alien rabbit hole instead.

It's much more manageable.

@beonmywaythen @Coraline353 @Towcat15 I'm sorry you've all had relationship breakdowns with people you've loved over this stuff. It's so awful. It doesn't feel like Qanon (I don't think I've spelt that right?) yet. He's no Trump fan. He's not spending hours and hours online. But he watches videos about guns sometimes. And Ben Shapiro. And seems to have a weird negative obsession with Greta. I find all of those viewpoints v difficult to accept

Ah a gaggle of left wing schmucks. Jordan Peterson is based AF.

He has said some weird stuff in the past. Chemicals in the water. But he always backs down when I question it or starts just me so confusing that it's hard to discuss anything.

You are married to the water troll?

"I'm not sure I can stay married to someone I don't respect."

That's the comment that stood out to me, and it's a sentiment I agree with. I genuinely don't think it's possible for love to survive where there is no respect. The love that existed mutates into something else; sometimes pity, but more often disdain.

There are many reasons to lose respect for a life-partner. They all boil down to 'you are not the person I thought you were', with you then feeling cheated out of the person you thought they were. His gullibility to social media-driven conspiracy theories - yep, I'd lose respect too.

I guess being right wing is something he can surely choose to do - but all the other stuff, the conspiracy crazy stuff? That might be a bit much.

I think that there is a lot of murky corrupt shit going on with truss

but it will just be normal banal ugly creed and corruption - which is different to the conspiracy theory rsntings

i had brunch just befor Covid with a new friend. We were happily chatting away and then she starting talking about how the work was run by I think it was four families? Surprise surprise their names ended in stein….text book anti semitic global conspiracy crap

dhe went totally bathshit during covid

its very difficult to engage with people once they’re on the conspiracy slippery slope

Opens popcorn. 🍿

I only say you will regret starting the post because things like this inevitably get jumped on by those who agree with your dh and it turns into a bun fight rather than focusing on the issue at hand (I’ve started a few of these about my own and every time it’s happened!).

anyway, the fact he’s mentioned tainted water, anti Greta, globalists etc it’s all headed in that direction and you’ve lost respect for him, that’s the key.

I’m guessing he didn’t believe this when you first met? Are you worried what he will try and say to your children or is he keeping things to himself?

up to you how long you leave it obviously but I would suggest not doing what I did and ignore it. I would either confront and try and have discussions with him - which will be exhausting and may not get anywhere - or cut your losses shut that comes with it’s own risks. It’s shit.

Well it is a bit of a coincidence that Truss announces her mini budget which includes uncapping the 200% salary bonuses for bankers and then she and Kwasi are at a champagne party with a bunch of guess what, bankers, celebrating the millions they’ve all made on shorting the pound that very same night…which of course predictably tanked after such a ridiculous mini budget so incompetent that it might have been deliberately designed to tank the pound.

I don’t know if your DH was referring to this by “globalists” & “banks” but it’s something that did happen and was swept under the rug.

Jordan Peterson is not a right wing conspiracy nut job.

This is why I worry about pushing for a GA.there are enough of these thinkers out there to keep the tests in government.hearing people in the news talking of truss and even boris today made me want to weep.

@Discovereads he said "globalists bought her down" because they didn't like her libertarian approach. That's not the same thing as what you're referring to. He was saying globalist wanted her gone, not that they were supportive of her plans and benefiting from them.

*twats

I’m not really sure what the connection is between Jordon Peterson and NWO type conspiracies, except there are groups of people (usually groups of men that for one reason or another feel disenfranchised) that follow both. I have read/watched quite a bit of Jordon Peterson as I have an interest in jungian psychology and he discusses some important concepts on a very basic way.

i know a few intelligent men who have been dragged down this rabbit hole, without fail they have always been men who are unhappy with their lives and somehow feel life is unfair and been searching for reasons why. Is this your DH.

if it was my DH I would be trying to get to the bottom of why he fell down this rabbit hole and it’s usually not hard to argue against these things with even a bit of knowledge. People get dragged into all sorts of things if they appeal to a weakness. Work with your DH on this

I think many people think of “globalists” to mean, rightly or wrongly, powerful groups and people who push the broad neoliberal international consensus (race to the bottom wages, anti workers rights, pro mass immigration) that has consumed the US, UK and much of Europe since about the 80s. If taken to mean that, it’s hardly extreme or much of a conspiracy.

leaky gutter. Since it was Tory party members who put Truss in power, are we to assume that all the retired colonels and county ladies are in the grip of some conspiracy to make the Tory party fail? Seems to me more likely that they voted her in because they believed her idiotic policies would be good for them. Hardly a conspiracy, just common or garden self interest.

Hum. Intriguing. We know banks & bankers benefitted. I’d ask him to expand on the globalist thing? Does he mean people who want to rejoin the EU?

"All" means shockingly few. I wouldn't call it a conspiracy exactly, but I do think it was strategic. They couldn't have the candidate they wanted (Probably Boris, certianly not an ethic minority candidate) so they picked the one they knew wouldn't last long.

And in the meantime they and their cronies got even richer by shorting the pound while it all came crashing down, exactly as every economist and previous Chancellor predicted it would. Truss did, afterall, only do exactly what she said she would.

Its difficult i agree with your husband and many people do. It's nothing to do with right wing extremism. It's to do with the view that the world is run by very few powerful people and its corrupt to the core. Have you ever actually taken the time to listen to Jordan Peterson, he is an incredibly intelligent man. The media hates him so makes you think he is a ring wing extremist listen to him before you make a decision your husband is being brainwashed Russell brand is also good as is Jeremy corbyn, George Galloway etc !

Russell brand is good to a certain extent but he feeds the qanon trolls and knows exactly what he’s doing when he does which is infuriating as
someone who has lost a family
member to it - celebrities have a responsibility not to continue spreading misinformation instead so many of them get caught up in the frenzy they stir up and the attention this gives them that they forget how it’s affecting peoples lives.

? What makes him think it was in the national interest to ask to borrow vast sums of money in order to fund tax cuts? There is plenty of evidence for this idea being inane in the current economic climate, and no evidence was provided that it was likely to work. The financial markets are self-interested, not nationalistic, and the UK revealed itself to be an unpredictable, bad risk. You can’t persuade investors who care no more about your failing economy than any other country’s to make a leap of faith and invest in you just because you want the cash to dig yourself out of a deep hole. That’s not globalism, that’s just concluding a country is a bad lending risk.

99 out of 100? May I refer you to The Use and Abuse of Statistics with a side order of How to Lie with Statistics.