Any Tory voters here who are switching to Labour this time?

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Curious because I think this rarely happens and I can't see Labour getting in, I don't think Tory voters change their mind. Am I very wrong? Do you/have you?

For me it will be Respect my sex if you want my X

Labour should take heed of threads like this.

So many of us saying that there is no way we could vote Labour EVEN after the shit show of the current Tory Government because our rights matter.

Plus the increasing evidence of the real harm that TWAW does in countries that adopt the policies that they intend to bring in.

The question is why are they so scared of the Trans Lobby that they are prepared to cut off so many women voters? It's very strange. We know they can't really believe that trans women are women and that self declared gender is the more important than sex in all aspects of life including the law.

It is actually quite scary, that the opposition can not gain traction, when the incumbents have literally self destructed.

Scary or funny? One of the two

So if we vote for labour what will the party do? There is nothing they can do. Starmer will borrow to the hilt and tax everyone to the hilt to repay. Because he’s on the left and under pressure from his left wing he will tax business which will drive business away from the country and that will sink us further into a recession. Example was Dennis Healy in the last socialist government who slapped a tax of 82% on the rich and all the rich said goodbye and left the country with their tax to more tax friendly clines. The result? Tax collected went down and working class people paid more. Good old socialism at work! And Mr Healy retired in a whacking great house

I think this is where I'm at too. I dont think any party really represents my views but a left vote in a GE might mean some where down the line some consideration is given to some of the big issues. Environment, welfare etc.

I’m voting for the lettuce

Cannot gain traction? they’re polling at record highs…

If things don't improve radically for the Tories between now and the next GE, then the answer is almost certainly no. Because they don't need to. They're riding high on pretty much nothing more than Not Being The Tories, and can easily win the next election simply by doing that. Why would they want to come up with something radical, with all its potential to go wrong, be twisted by the media, alienate one part of their potential vote or possibly make life difficult for them once in government?

Well he hasn’t been bowing to the left wing of the party so far, if anything he’s been alienating them.

And only about 7% of the country perceive him to be very left wing

yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/trackers/keir-starmer-alignment

Possibly. Certainly couldn’t vote for them if Boris was the PM/leader.

If this thread is a reflection of voters appetite, it’s not as clear cut

Some do, but I think what's more common is having an absolute, inflexible rejection of one side or the other.

Manifestos are fine as far as they go and important, but you have to situate them within a context of overall cultural and political values over time. For this reason I know that I will absolutely, never, ever vote Tory. A particular manifesto may say certain good things (and of course they avoid the bad things, like who's going to be worse off to make the beneficiaries of the manifesto better off), but that's no use if the fundamental assumptions about government and its role, what sort of society we want to be etc. are - in the voter's opinion - wrong to the point of offensiveness.

That doesn't mean I'll always vote Labour though. I mostly, though not always, have done. I don't know whether I will next time.

There seem to be many on this thread who are exactly the same the other way around. Committed right wingers in terms of values who know that they could NEVER vote Labour, with a similar visceral revulsion toward them that I and others have toward the Tories, but who may not vote Tory next time because of the exceptionally low point that party is at currently.

What would happen if everyone did a protest a vote and the majority of ballots were spoilt?

Labour don't care because people who will vote based on trans issues are a tiny section of the voting public. Their views are inevitably over-amplified on an anonymous forum. The overwhelming majority of people can look past their pet obsession.

Starmer is on BBC now, there's just NO WAY.

he can't stabilise a glass of water, let alone an economy.

Particularly one that's been destablised to such a historic degree by this bunch of clowns, right?

Unlikely to vote labour. I don’t like Keir. I’m really unhappy with the Tory shenanigans though. What a bunch of bastards. I’m persuaded by the coup theories.

If you mean literally EVERYONE doing a protest vote (ie, speaking theoretically) then I don't know.

If you mean we somehow persuaded MOST people to do a protest vote, then the candidate in each constituency with the most votes would be elected, as normal. If that meant Tories or Labour had a majority in parliament based on a few thousand votes nationally, then so be it. Their party leader would still be entitled to be prime minister as they would command "the confidence of the house".

However this would then become part of a much bigger question about whether the entire government and system have a mandate to exist. That would then depend very much on the actions of the armed forces and civil service, who would surely support it if it were a Tory government, but bring it down if it were any kind of slightly radical Labour one.

Floating voter in safe Labour seat but I can’t support Labour’s current iteration. Their confusion (and that’s being kind) over gender id , attacks on women rights and anti-Semitism mean I’m politically homeless. Starmer was a crap AG and his only policy seems to be moaning about the Tories; he’s got nothing constructive. He also seems to think that just not being Corbyn is enough. Rayner’s alternately shrieking and droning vocal is the equivalent of nails down a blackboard. I can’t listen to her without my toes curling. I switch off whenever she’s speaking. 🤷‍♀️

This thread won't be a reflection though - it will pull in the fervent right wingers. Anonymous polling is more accurate.

Nope. Just been to re-read Labour's manifesto (again). Just can't.

Yes, most people have a blind allegiance and don't decide based on the manifesto at the election.

I don’t think it’s particularly ‘fervent right wingers’. But obviously it’s not going to get a cross section of entire population.

I’m a swing voter who has voted Conservative in the past. Can’t see me ever voting for them again, Brexit is unforgivable - not necessarily the referendum result but the handling of it - and my mortgage which is now up for renewal is going to cost hundreds more a month directly as a result of recent incompetence. Labour are looking the most likely for me at the next election provided they have their own internal factional issues under control. Keir Starmer seems boring but competent and that is quite appealing after the recent shit show.

It's not strange at all. It's just that there are not nearly as many of us, as a proportion of the electorate, as you would like to think. Labour would also lose votes by opposing TWAW, self-ID etc, so somewhere somebody is crunching numbers and has decided, at least for now, that there's no net advantage in their doing so. The fact that they are showing historically unprecedented poll leads in the mid-30s is enough to tell us they're probably right.

Also, bear in mind this is a thread that specifically extended an invitation to comment to Tory voters. So it's not going to give a balance of views that reflects the electorate as a whole.

Um, no. Or, at a stretch my "self-interests" are the greater good. But I think that's a view into the real political divide - individuals v society.