Any Tory voters here who are switching to Labour this time?

[mavismorpoth]

Curious because I think this rarely happens and I can't see Labour getting in, I don't think Tory voters change their mind. Am I very wrong? Do you/have you?

"I don't always vote, and have voted tactically a couple of times but this time it could be anyone or no one for me."

please vote! even if its for an independent so they have a chance at keeping their deposit, they just see none votes as apathy, tactical voting for "anyone but them" they can see in the results.

When you have nothing but apathy for all the parties, the system and the outcome, not voting is my only option.

I do not wish to partake in an event that does not represent any of my views. I have always voted, but this time, I just can't.

It's the pandemic that started all this excess of government borrowing.
The mandate was to save lives, but this has come at a huge cost. What the public inquiry is now showing is those policies were actually detrimental to the public and made very little difference.

Track and trace were copied from other nations. Turned out it wasn't such a great idea with the British public. I think we've had a sea of populist policies, and incessant narrating from social media.
researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/CBP-9309/CBP-9309.pdf

'The Covid-19 pandemic has resulted in very high levels of public spending.
Current estimates of the cost of Government measures announced so far
range from about £310 to £410 billion. This is the equivalent of about £4,600
to £6,100 per person in the UK'.

Then people like yourself accuse the government of NOT spending money on the public. It's absurd. Yes the roads are a mess, yes the NHS cannot clear the backlog, and yes some children are 2 yrs or more behind. This is life post-pandemic.
I agree the Tories have vicious in-fighting, which is disgraceful. However, I've yet to see an honest appraisal economically from Labour.

The same people slamming the Tories for their debt and fiscal situation, are probably they same people calling for lockdown after lockdown.

Yes, the tories are an absolute shambles, however, the UK has eaten at the finest restaurant and drank the finest wine with their covid lockdowns and gov assistance. The bill has now arrived, time to pay up.

I’m a floating voter. There’s no way I can vote for Labour or Lib Dems with their current stance of planning to remove women’s rights and the Tories are in melt down. So not much choice at the moment.

Depressing isn't it.

If the Lib Dems came up with some well costed, progressive and interesting policies, they would clean up voters like us.

Sadly, they are a non entity.

Yes, and happily taken furlough, whilst holding down another job.

True.

I can really understand why people have voted for them in the past but atm I have absolutely no idea how anyone can watch the news now & think they are doing a great job!

I don't think many do think that - but locally there may be a good Tory constituent MP that bucks national trend.

I have good reason to think my current Labour MP is a really shit constituent MP.

However for that seat last time only three candidates didn't lose their deposit last general election - Labour 43%, Con 42% and LD 6%. Previous election is was just Lab, Conservatives that didn't lose deposit - Lab 50% 40 %. 2015 - it was Lab 41%, Con 32% and UKIP at 15% everyone else lost deposit.

So I can vote for a bad MP, a party clearly failing to govern - a party that seems to be lost or a party with so few voters they lost their deposit.

On top of that I'm in Wales - 20 + years of Welsh Labour running NHS and education it's not looking good and it's affecting my family directly plus I'm aware of recent financial scandals by Welsh Government but then nationally Tory governance is a shit show.

So from where I sit it's not a straight forward choice.

You need to visit some of the countries I have done to get ‘good times’ into perspective!

'The UK has eaten at the finest restaurant and drank the finest wine with their covid lockdowns and gov assistance. The bill has now arrived, time to pay up'.

This is what is so disappointing about Labour, they need to stop bluffing, stop telling lies, and table some policies to free up the Uk post-pandemic.

House build
Incentivize NHS recruitment etc.
Businesses still need support, maybe a debt forgiveness scheme.
The country also needs a realistic ethical conversation around the aging population issue.

It's the pandemic that started all this excess of government borrowing.
The mandate was to save lives, but this has come at a huge cost. What the public inquiry is now showing is those policies were actually detrimental to the public and made very little difference.

I agree, and KS was pushing for longer lockdowns and more support. I'll be voting Conservative as there's no other party I'd vote for. If that changes, which I doubt, I'll happily vote for a party that better fits my political beliefs.

I also agree the Conservative government has been a shambles and far too many fiefdoms. But Labour are pro more spending which is the last thing the economy needs given the current level of debt.

'The UK has eaten at the finest restaurant and drank [sic] the finest wine with their covid lockdowns and gov assistance. The bill has now arrived, time to pay up'
What an utter load of shit.
The government did the bare minimum to stave off unrest, stuffed their own and their mates' pockets full of cash and now, like the banking crisis, the poorest are expected to fund it all? Fuck to that.

It's the pandemic that started all this excess of government borrowing.

1. It's only "excessive" due to poor growth prospects - our borrowing in comparison with other nations is pretty reasonable - but our productivity and growth prospects are poor - after 12 years of Tory rule.
2. We've been borrowing for ever - it didn't start with covd.
3. Government "debt" is nothing like a loan or credit card.

Know many 20 somethings in continuous gainful employment with an actual contract , sick pay , holidays etc ?

Yep - All of DD's friends and all our relations. I suppose it depends where you live maybe??

Poor people don't fund anything. Because (drum roll) they've got no money for the government to take.

Funding largely come from people in the middle. Because people at the bottom have none. And people at the top hide their money so the government can't get hold of it.

I have never voted Tory but I am unsure who I would vote for if a GE was called early. I don’t have much faith in Labour but if I vote Lib Dem I feel my vote would be wasted and the Tory’s need to go so I would probably vote labour 🤔.

So I guess when Johnson wins the leadership vote the majority of posters on this thread will be voting for the great statesman himself 😂
It's like we are in an alternative universe on here. The fiscally sensible conservative party no longer exists. Hasn't done for several years since brexit and the ERG/UKIP coup but plenty of posters on are behaving as if it does despite the evidence contrary.

I will continue to vote for the lesser of the two evils. That's my universe.

True. Funding comes from the top two centipede mostly.

Centiles - not sure why not a word

Do these centipedes have a billion legs?😂

😂

In answer to your point-no 1.

We're hardly the most productive workforce out of the G7.
Why?
www.ons.gov.uk/economy/economicoutputandproductivity/productivitymeasures/bulletins/internationalcomparisonsofproductivityfinalestimates/2020
'The G7 countries’ average (excluding the UK) output per worker was 13% above the UK in 2019
The median of all the estimates suggests Germany is around 10% more productive per hour worked than the UK'.
The USA is on an altogether different trajectory.
'The US is between 18% and 28% more productive than the UK, with a central estimate of 23% more productive'.
'Four G7 nations produced more output per worker in 2019 than the UK. The best performer on this measure was the US, which was 35% greater than the UK'.

Government "debt" is nothing like a loan or credit card. I agree it's hardly surprising UK plc is an attractive investment considering nearly a third of the working age is inactive or net negative.
I have no arguments against the Tory infighting.
What is Labour going to do?

I don't feel there's any party I could vote for at present. You'd think the LibDems or Greens would be getting out there taking advantage of the current situation ....