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Any Tory voters here who are switching to Labour this time?

313 replies

mavismorpoth · 20/10/2022 14:26

Curious because I think this rarely happens and I can't see Labour getting in, I don't think Tory voters change their mind. Am I very wrong? Do you/have you?

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FiveMins · 20/10/2022 17:00

The few swing voters who I know who admitted to voting Tory have said they regret it and never will again. The felt BJ lied so much he broke the belief in politics and Truss has broken the economy. Unless you are rich or stupid you surely can't vote for them again.

SundownOnTheStair · 20/10/2022 17:01

Floomobal · 20/10/2022 16:22

Yes, because that’s the most important issue at the moment. Not mortgage rates/utility bills/inflation/food prices.

It is pretty important to us as women when politicians don't want to define awomen because they want to appease men. So yes, importnant,

WallaceinAnderland · 20/10/2022 17:01

I need Labour to step up. If they don't do it now, when everyone is crying out for someone to lead the country, then when will they do it? Absolutely cannot vote for cowards.

FiveMins · 20/10/2022 17:02

Rockingcloggs · 20/10/2022 16:57

There is nothing for me to vote Labour for, I don't believe them, I don't trust them and I certainly don't like what they stand for similarly the Conservatives make me feel the same way.

Truth be told none of them appeal to me. At all.

I need a party that appeals to the middle folk, the ones never spoken about not the lowest earners and not the top ones. The Inbetweeners I shall call the party!

Do you only vote for your own self interests?

Rutland2022 · 20/10/2022 17:03

I’m completely over the Conservatives now but hell will freeze over before I vote Labour. So I’m stuffed really, for the first time ever I think I’ll be abstaining. Which galls me.

NCFT0922 · 20/10/2022 17:04

I will never vote Labour.

Rockingcloggs · 20/10/2022 17:05

@FiveMins No, I only vote for everyone else because I love having no parties that serve those families like mine.

Of course, I vote for others but also myself and mine. Because that's the point of a personal vote - voting for a manifesto that most fits with your own thoughts and opinions.

RichardOsmansXraySpecs · 20/10/2022 17:06

Do you only vote for your own self interests?

Doesn't everyone?
I like the idea of The Inbetweeners party. I assume they know what a woman is? 😉

fromdownwest · 20/10/2022 17:08

Rockingcloggs · 20/10/2022 16:57

There is nothing for me to vote Labour for, I don't believe them, I don't trust them and I certainly don't like what they stand for similarly the Conservatives make me feel the same way.

Truth be told none of them appeal to me. At all.

I need a party that appeals to the middle folk, the ones never spoken about not the lowest earners and not the top ones. The Inbetweeners I shall call the party!

A left of right and right of left party. What a splendid idea.

Most of the people I know sit in this catergory, sadly, no party fullfils this gap.

Shall we carck on and set one u p!

roarfeckingroarr · 20/10/2022 17:09

No. I'll continue to vote Tory despite the current shit show.

jcyclops · 20/10/2022 17:11

Labour currently have a massive lead of around 30% in most opinion polls, but these opinion polls only show those who gave a positive answer for voting intentions and don't show those who say they are undecided or those that won't vote, but these people are important.

Someone on the news today said "People have fallen out of love with Truss and the Conservatives, but they haven't fallen in love with Starmer and Labour."

I am sure this is true. In 2019, of 100 voters, 45 voted Conservative, 33 Labour and 12 for other parties. Of the Conservatives, if 3 now say they won't vote, 12 say they are undecided and 7 say they would switch to Labour then an opinion poll would show Labour 40, Conservative 23 and others 12, which they would publish as 53% Labour, 30% Conservative. If the Conservatives can attract the 15 voters to return, then the final result would be Labour 40, Conservatives 38 - which would probably result in no overall majority for either party.

This is a mirror of what happened with Labour voters in the 2017 election, where the conservative 21% lead when May called the election disappeared to 3% on election day. It was almost totally down to Labour success in attracting back 2015 Labour voters who were initially undecided.

FiveMins · 20/10/2022 17:11

Honestly I don't vote for myself, I vote for what I view as right for the majority of the country, especially those most vulnerable. I have spent most my life working with people in the most difficult of circumstances and have seen what difference top government has made to them. Sadly the Tories have harmed them the most. I couldn't do my job and then vote to hurt those very people I work to support. I am OK financially, very average income.

BeBraveLittlePenguin · 20/10/2022 17:12

No. I think the Tories will be trounced, and they need a period in the political wilderness to think about what they've done, but I won't vote Labour when Keir said only last night he wants to make misgendering a fucking criminal offence.
Respect my sex if you want my X.

Rockingcloggs · 20/10/2022 17:13

RichardOsmansXraySpecs · 20/10/2022 17:06

Do you only vote for your own self interests?

Doesn't everyone?
I like the idea of The Inbetweeners party. I assume they know what a woman is? 😉

Oh yes, they'll know! And not be afraid of it either!!

@fromdownwest I'll nip round tonight and we'll work on our manifesto!

TheHouseonHauntedHill · 20/10/2022 17:13

Keir sounds dependable, some others seem dependable but with Angelina Raynor at his side nothing seems less stable!

Tory scum!

Imagine her and sturgeon in a room together!

FiveMins · 20/10/2022 17:13

Isn't that what the Lib Dems are? They do still exist.

fromdownwest · 20/10/2022 17:14

Rockingcloggs · 20/10/2022 17:13

Oh yes, they'll know! And not be afraid of it either!!

@fromdownwest I'll nip round tonight and we'll work on our manifesto!

Sounds like a plan!!

fromdownwest · 20/10/2022 17:15

FiveMins · 20/10/2022 17:13

Isn't that what the Lib Dems are? They do still exist.

How a party can not take advantage of such voter apathy towards the two main parties speaks volumes. They should be mopping up the middel ground voters, but I genuinely could not even tell you who is in charge of them!

Morceaux · 20/10/2022 17:17

Imnotswallowingthat · 20/10/2022 15:40

Forget the polls, the days of Labour having landslide victories are gone. One of the main reasons, which will never be reversed, is the situation in Scotland. The rise of the SNP has badly damaged Labour. When Tony Blair swept to power Labour won 56 seats in Scotland - in 2019 they won 1. They will never regain those seats.

Labour had a 179 majority in 1997. Even if you wrote off every Scottish seat they can still viably get majorities of over 100 seats.

SherbetDips · 20/10/2022 17:18

It has crossed my mind but ultimately I can’t do it. This current cabinet are utter shit.

MarshaBradyo · 20/10/2022 17:19

BigWoollyJumpers · 20/10/2022 15:27

Despite the number of MN's saying they have only ever voted for one party or another, the general rule is that floating voters in the middle ie: the majority, decide governments. I have voted for Conservative (Thatcher), Labour (Tony Blair), and back to Conservative. Might have a flirt with Lib Dems, but only because we have a good local one now, and our local Tory is a twat. But the Lib Dems as a party have a lot of policies that are just a little bit loony.

However, to quote a previous op - I always look at manifesto's and run through policies, and pick the one who most fits my opinion. It's never 100%. I can't really believe that one would endorse 100% of a parties policies, surely? You'd have to be pretty extreme one way or the other to do so.

Some mners seem weirdly unable to acknowledge that many people vote switch. Despite landslides in either direction pricing otherwise. Then again it is very Labour loyal generally.

SamphirethePogoingStickerist · 20/10/2022 17:23

I'll have to vote Tory. Though actually I don't think it will matter here. Our long term incumbent wins by large margins. So I may spoil my ballot or post it to Keir Starmer with an angry note attached.

Actually, if I could find a way of doing that I bloody well will!

the80sweregreat · 20/10/2022 17:23

Sir Ed Davey is the Liberal Democrat leader
There was a party election broadcast by them on national tv last night.
He seems nice enough , he wants an ' ambulance fund ' apparently
They said in 2019 they would rejoin the EU when jo Swinson was in charge . That didn't go down well.

Lucienandjean · 20/10/2022 17:24

The only thing that is keeping me (just) on the Conservative side is women's rights. I don't trust Keir Starmer at all, since apparently he has no idea what a woman is. The Lib Dems and Greens are worse in this regard. Don't get me started on the SNP (I live in Scotland).

Only the Conservatives make even the smallest attempt to respect my sex.

TooBigForMyBoots · 20/10/2022 17:28

If you are a Conservative voter because of women's rights, please contact your MP and discourage them from electing Penny TWAW Mordaunt to the post of PM.🙏