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'bro, you are never going to have a daughter, ever'

313 replies

thatlabguy · 19/10/2022 23:12

[after the 20 weeks baby scan]

watching my two sons celebrating that they are having another baby brother, their dad, me, a single child who spent the last 25 years dreaming that one day I will have a daughter of my own, has came to a realisation that this dream will stay a dream for the rest of my life.

As a grown up, I understand that I must 'stay strong', 'accept the fact', 'many parents dream to have three boys', 'be happy that the baby boy is healthy', and 'move on with my life'.

On the other hand, I am extremely worried that deep in my mind I will never accept the fact for not having a daughter for the rest of my like, the negative energy of 'dream not come true' accumulates and one day it will explode. Of course, I'd like to prevent it from happening but I have no idea where to start, it'd be lovely to know how parents who have already been through this and successfully moved on! Should I see a psychologist?

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Knittyknittybangbang · 20/10/2022 08:07

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Says someone who appears to care very much how she is perceived. Most women I know don't care half as much as you do.

WahineToa · 20/10/2022 08:07

You get the child you are given, if you aren't ready for whoever that is, don't have a baby. You need help so your children aren't affected by this.

This^^ what are all these immature people so invested in themselves and their ‘dreams’ doing having children to fulfil them? That’s not what children are for!

LostFrog · 20/10/2022 08:08

Op I have 3 boys and I went through these feelings. I am one of three girls myself so was very much out of my comfort zone. It does pass. You need to let go of all those stereotypes and don’t assume that your relationship with them is based on gender.. I know so many women who don’t get on with their mums, and plenty of men who do.

ancientgran · 20/10/2022 08:08

Autumninnewyork · 20/10/2022 07:51

I have never heard of a man being desperate for a daughter. If anything I’ve heard of men who want sins, I think because they want to share their own interests with them and are scared of not understanding daughters. Why is it you want a daughter so much? If you think you’re going to stay disappointed after the baby is here you probably do need to talk to a counsellor to unpick why, so you don’t transmit that disappointment to your children

I don't think my husband was exactly desperate but he definitely wanted a girl. His father died when my husband was a small baby, he never knew his grandfathers and wasn't close to his only uncle. He was brought up by his mother and grandmother, he loved me as well. He said he was scared he wouldn't be able to love another male as he never had that relationship with a male.

He was highly delighted when our son was born.

BuryingAcorns · 20/10/2022 08:11

LydiaBennetsUglyBonnet · 19/10/2022 23:17

Gender disappointment is a real thing and you mustn’t feel bad about it.

What I would do is ask myself what I think a DD could bring to your life that a DS couldn’t. If it’s about all the stereotype stuff - shopping, nails etc, we’ll you could have a DD like mine who never goes anywhere without her football and wouldn’t wear a dress if you paid her. If it’s something deeper maybe it is worth exploring.

Either way, take care of yourself OP and don’t judge yourself so hardly Flowers

This is a great point.

We might carry expectations of what a daughter would be like and chances are they'd be wrong. It wouldn't be healthy to impose our ideals on a child either - they should be free to develop their own way.

MyPurpleJacket · 20/10/2022 08:13

I must admit that I would have liked to have had a daughter. My sister has got three and I’ve got two boys. I love my boys so much but I’ll always be ‘other grandma’ when the time comes and things are just different. I really have to make the effort to be interested in karate and rugby 🥱 Although I know for here taking the girls to ballet can sometimes also be a chore! It’s swings and roundabouts really. My boys are twins and it’s so nice to see them playing together 💗 I know I’m lucky when so many people can’t even have one child, let alone two.

willingtolearn · 20/10/2022 08:15

I was the daughter my mother wanted apparently.

But I am not the daughter she was hoping for.

We don't get on, never have. Her focus on looking nice, behaving in a ladylike way and basically being a complete doormat was not for me.

She gets on better with her sons.

Daisychainsx · 20/10/2022 08:15

All of this chat that you must be sexist if you want a daughter and gender means nothing etc, I don't agree. In my family, without exception, the girls and their mums are all best friends. We spend weekends together, go on holidays together, call each other about 3 times a day... the guys are a lot more distant. That may not be the same for every family, but in my family its 100% fact. That's not to say every girl born into my family will be their mums best pal, and it's not to say every guy will be more independant, but going by the law of averages... you see where I'm going.
The same goes for my friends/in laws, my female friends in their 30s are still very close to their parents and still go for weekends away with their mums, the guys go home at Christmas!
In our family at the moment there are 2 young girls and 5 young boys to 4 very different sets of parents, the girls are remarkably different from the boys. Yes the boys also like to dress up in tutus and pearls, but they're intrinsically different.

There's NOTHING wrong with wanting a daughter. Maybe one of your sons will give you the relationship you wanted in a daughter, but I get that it's not the same. Give yourself time to be sad about it, then accept it and look for the positives. The 3 boys might grow up to be the best of friends and that will be lovely!

FrancescaContini · 20/10/2022 08:19

WTF? You’re carrying a healthy baby and you’re talking about GRIEF?

You have no idea how lucky you are.

5128gap · 20/10/2022 08:25

There is no point whatsoever in telling you you 'should be grateful' for your boys (I'm sure you are) or pretending to you that the experience of raising a girl can't be different, fulfilling and rewarding in an entirely different way from raising a boy (it can) or trying to convince you that 'boy mums' are somehow better, more fortunate, etc (that's subjective).
Like so many parents, you wanted a daughter, and you don't need to be ashamed of that.
What you do need to do is come to an acceptance that no one's life gives them everything they want. Some of us want to be wealthy, to have living parents, siblings, good health, to have met a compatible life partner, to be more intelligent...and imagine, maybe correctly, that our lives would be better with those things.
Unfortunately, for most of us, that's too bad. So we play the cards we're dealt the best we can, appreciating what we do have and trying not to dwell on what we don't.
Its a long life and it will bring you opportunities to plug the gap you think a daughter could fill. There will be opportunities to engage with girls and other women in your family social life and work. You can support and mentor and befriend. You may in future have up to 3 DiLs and possibly grand daughters. Your sons (like mine as it happens despite having DDs) may turn out to be your closest friends.
Feel what you feel without shame, but don't let it consume you.

ahunf · 20/10/2022 08:27

@jennakong

are you a young mother, I can't quite understand the '25 years' comment.

I thought the op was the dad?

Goosygandy · 20/10/2022 08:27

sweeneytoddsrazor · 19/10/2022 23:41

I have some of each. When they were younger made no difference, they were all their own little personality. As they have grown into adults there is a difference. I love them all the same, we are close, their partners are all lovely but the boys who have long term partners spend far more time with their partners family than their own. And the girls spend more time with us.

That's helpful...well done!

cptartapp · 20/10/2022 08:30

Autumninnewyork · 20/10/2022 07:51

I have never heard of a man being desperate for a daughter. If anything I’ve heard of men who want sins, I think because they want to share their own interests with them and are scared of not understanding daughters. Why is it you want a daughter so much? If you think you’re going to stay disappointed after the baby is here you probably do need to talk to a counsellor to unpick why, so you don’t transmit that disappointment to your children

Research shows that most men do want sons, and are far more likely to leave the family unit if their offspring are solely female. A male forum would read very differently.
I have two DS that are now older teens, and at one stage may have liked a DD. What time has taught me, is that for us at least, two of the same gender fairly close in age has been absolutely the best outcome.

Fedupmum21 · 20/10/2022 08:30

I think it’s normal to feel this way OP as society seems to paint this idea image of “one (or more” of each” as the ideal. I’m currently 24 weeks with my third (very unplanned and a big surprise) baby. I already have two girls, and when I found out I was really hoping for another girl. However when it came down to actually finding out the sex, my last pregnancy was awful (hence not wanting any more as we both almost died) and more than anything I just want to carry a baby to term and to not have IUGR or pre eclampsia.
we did find out the sex, it’s another girl. Although me and DP and happy, even my mum (knows how awful things were last time) was like “oh it’s a shame it’s not a boy”. No- a shame would be if I deliver very prematurely again or get pre eclampsia again that almost kills me and baby. We haven’t announced yet as again we know family will also say what a “shame” it is to have our third girl. Take time to process your feelings but no matter what you will love your baby despite what is, or isn’t, between their legs x

MsTSwift · 20/10/2022 08:31

Both my sisters are super close to their mothers in law who are fab. They see just as much of them as our family. Have girls but the little lads one of my dds used to hang out with were just adorable

iamnotacatt · 20/10/2022 08:32

HighlandPony · 20/10/2022 01:00

I get you. I’m very much a boy mum. Love being a boy mum, love being a tomboy, love being one of the boys, bored shitless with my sisters. Bored shitless with my 7 lass cousins and do not get my nieces or my great niece. I’m shite with women and fucking terrible with lasses. I had a daughter 13 weeks ago and was devastated. But she’s actually ok. Hoping she grows up mini me and not girly. I get you. I understand the disappointment at not getting what you wanted. I can only tell you that it might be ok, he might be more than you expected in the end

Jesus Christ get a grip. You had a daughter and was devastated? You also sound incredibly sexist.

ahunf · 20/10/2022 08:33

A man desperately wanting a daughter is a bit weird. Sons I can imagine. My husband has 2 girls. He does one of the most macho jobs you can thing of surrounded by men. He has 3 brothers. He does ok.

Nellynoo182 · 20/10/2022 08:33

YANBU Op ❤️

I am pregnant with my first who is a boy that I am thrilled with 💗

Already I am thinking about the second and secretly hoping for a girl. That’s not to say I wouldn’t be perfectly happy and love another little boy just as much, it would just be different to what I imagined!

I don’t know why MN has to be so judgemental on these types of threads. You’re only human and entitled to feelings too. And saying things about gender stereotypes is a load of rubbish too, my husband can’t wait to take our son to sports and I would love to have a girl I could go on girly weekends with. And if they aren’t into those things when they’re older then that is fine too - it doesn’t mean as humans with emotions too parents aren’t allowed to imagine how things might be and feel sad that they won’t be! And it certainly doesn’t mean that you love your little ones any less 💐

Butitsnotfunnyisititsserious · 20/10/2022 08:41

ahunf · 20/10/2022 08:33

A man desperately wanting a daughter is a bit weird. Sons I can imagine. My husband has 2 girls. He does one of the most macho jobs you can thing of surrounded by men. He has 3 brothers. He does ok.

Why can't a man want a daughter? I wanted a little boy, is that strange for a mum to want a boy?

Bumpsadaisie · 20/10/2022 08:41

thatlabguy · 19/10/2022 23:12

[after the 20 weeks baby scan]

watching my two sons celebrating that they are having another baby brother, their dad, me, a single child who spent the last 25 years dreaming that one day I will have a daughter of my own, has came to a realisation that this dream will stay a dream for the rest of my life.

As a grown up, I understand that I must 'stay strong', 'accept the fact', 'many parents dream to have three boys', 'be happy that the baby boy is healthy', and 'move on with my life'.

On the other hand, I am extremely worried that deep in my mind I will never accept the fact for not having a daughter for the rest of my like, the negative energy of 'dream not come true' accumulates and one day it will explode. Of course, I'd like to prevent it from happening but I have no idea where to start, it'd be lovely to know how parents who have already been through this and successfully moved on! Should I see a psychologist?

It's a loss and you are ok to have feelings about it.

I desperately wanted a boy (perhaps as when I was three my much awaited baby brother died at birth) and when my eldest was revealed as a girl at my 20 Week scan I did have to give up the idea of a boy. I expect it stirred up all sorts of very old feelings from when I lost my brother that I was not even aware of/couldn't remember.

By the time my Dd was born though I was already bonding with her and once I set eyes on her - ❤️ apple of my eye and she still is (even when she's a pain!🤣)

My second was a much longed for boy - and I feel the same way about him although totally differently. I certainly don't love either more than the other. I love my son - but he is a real life living boy, I realise my longing for a boy imagined a fantasy boy - and of course my son is not that, how could he be, he is a real person in his own right.

I think you have a fantasy of a daughter. If you had a girl she'd be a real life Dd - complex and multi faceted and the experience of being her mother would be different to what you imagine, for sure.

I bet when you meet your beautiful little boy no.3 you'll love him so much too. You can be sad you won't have a girl at the same time - one doesn't negate the other.

Good luck for your pregnancy.

ahunf · 20/10/2022 08:45

@Butitsnotfunnyisititsserious What kind of men imagine what having a daughter is like for 25 years?

SnowFir · 20/10/2022 08:45

TheOnlyLivingBoyInNewCross · 20/10/2022 07:05

😂 Excellent wind-up - I think people believed your first post but this one jumped the shark. Points for trying though.

What did it say?

Bumpsadaisie · 20/10/2022 08:48

DayOfTheTentacle · 20/10/2022 07:10

We lost our baby boy after a horrific anomaly scan, and then a year later, our baby girl was diagnosed with the same problem and we had to again "choose" to let her go to. It has broken us in ways I can't tell you. The grief is horrific.

We already have a wonderful DS, my DH has another older DS. He has always wanted a girl and would try again for another. But I can't even contemplate it.

For him (and me), having a daughter would have been such a gift. But so is our living son, more than anything. Getting to bring up a healthy child is what we dreamed of. Getting to bring up two, a boy and a girl, would have been the icing on the cake.

You never know what's in your future. I hope you can be happy and settled with your lovely family and come to terms with having three boys.

So sorry xx Flowers

GhostCastle · 20/10/2022 08:54

JobSeekingMissile · 20/10/2022 07:31

@Rockingcloggs people have different experiences in life and you shouldn't stop them expressing disappointment because 'it could be worse'. There is very much this attitude across a lot of threads. "At least you have XYZ", "be grateful for what you have", etc
Just move away from the threads if you feel this way. I say this as someone who had miscarriages & fertility issues but still understands that people can yearn for a son / daughter over and above what they have, or yearn for a second child when certain people think they should just be glad that they have one.
@thatlabguy i think you need to get to the bottom of why you feel as you do, until you find the why it's more difficult for you to process and come to terms with.

I totally agree @JobSeekingMissile. We all have different life experiences. It doesn’t give you the right to shut someone down when they are talking about something troubling them. It’s unhelpful and unlikely to stop the OP thinking the way she does. She needs to deal with it and move on not bury it because she feels ashamed.

DarkShade · 20/10/2022 08:59

UWhatNow · 19/10/2022 23:25

YANBU. I desperately wanted a dd too and would’ve kept going until I got one.

My dds (now young adults) have the most wonderful bond with their dad, and I know they have thrived because of it. Girls need loving, engaged, responsible men in their life. It’s such a shame it won’t happen for you but I’m sure you’ll be a wonderful role model for your sons and you can hope for lovely DILs (possibly) and maybe granddaughters one day.

Er boys also need loving, engaged, responsible men in their lives!!

Listen OP, your child's sex does not dictate what they are like as a person. Try and think about why you wanted a daughter, and why you think a DS can't give you what you want. You'll probably find that they can!