Tories are NOT on the side of women

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I know the defence of Tories here often is 'at least they know what a woman is' - and they do.

But they use that knowledge of what a woman is to make our lives worse. Over 100 Tory MPs voted against a buffer zone on abortion clinics. They know we're adult human females, who can get pregnant, and they vote to allow us to be harassed because of that.

I'm also GC, and do not believe you can change sex. Gender - sure, I don't care how anyone wants to present or what they want to be called and am happy to oblige - but some things are separated on the basis of sex and should remain that way regardless of presentation.

That said, Tories are not on the side of women, and you need to he aware of that before voting for them based on this 1 issue.

The idea that "At least the Tories know what a woman is" was never true.🙄

It was dreamt up by a spin merchant at Conservstive HQ, spread by shills and believed by those who didn't bother checking facts.🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️

And facilitated by the right wing press.

Sorry for leaving that group out.

Yep.

I'm not loyal to any one party but I've voted LD in the past. Can't now, Dim Featherstone has explicitly told me not to. But like I said, she can't barter with no chips.

Single issue posters might find this thread interesting. www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4652772-the-sdp-is-alive-and-thriving-and-it-doesnt-believe-twaw?page=2&reply=120837315

I'm not sure but the SWP might have the same stance.

Anyone else come here to say NAE SHIT SHERLOCK!!! no? Just me??

An excellent piece of discourse than will surely sway Tory voters to your way of thinking with its silver-tongued diplomacy.

However, it does miss the meteor-sized point that this is all about people who wouldn't normally vote Tory being driven to do so because they do, indeed, care what a woman is.

The Tories don't give a shit about women. They created the trans shitshow.
They refused to make misogyny a Hate Crime.
They put through policies, like Austerity, that disproportionately hurt women.
They put male rapists and paedophiles into women's prisons.
Tory MPs reported women to the police for retweeting JKR.
They have practically decriminalised rape.
They've resisted calls to remove genderwoo that they've written into policy, including a Maternity Bill.

Where are you getting any sense that Tories care what a woman is?

And they're idiots to do so, not to mention prejudiced and willing to throw the whole country under a bus to back up their prejudices.
Nul points.

My prejudice for truth, logic, biology, free speech and women's rights? Yeah, I'm okay with that.

And they're idiots to do so, not to mention prejudiced and willing to throw the whole country under a bus to back up their prejudices.

What prejudice?

If wanting to keep males, some of whom are proving to be predatory, away from women and children and wanting to keep children safe from mutilation and sterilisation in the name of trans rights makes me a bigot in your eyes then so be it.

What I want to know is why YOU think women being raped in women's shelters is appropriate collateral damages to appease men who think they are women?

Why do YOU put the wishes of men above the safety and dignity of women?

At this point I feel the only options are to sacrifice some of my rights as a woman to a party consumed by genderwoo, or be pushed further and further into poverty and not to be able to afford to feed my child. Not fantastic options to be honest.
But at least if Labour get in the option to protest against their ridiculous TWAW rhetoric is always there.

When are you ever going to offer an actual reasoned argument, or any kind of substantiation, for anything you say?

sacrifice some of my rights as a woman to a party consumed by genderwoo

Change that to all of your rights.

If the word woman includes any man who says he is one the word woman is meaningless and we simply no longer have rights as a sex class independent from men.

Given that we need those rights, feminists have been fighting for them for years, it's pretty terrifying.

Let's not forget that in the US Roe v Wade was reversed under a Democratic Government.

The truth is that no one cares enough about women. There are certain people in the world who are very happy to see what is happening to women in the name of trans acceptance. Women 'be kind'. Women shut up and know your place. You no longer can have the words you had to describe yourselves you are now cis women, the real women being men. You are birthing parents, birthing bodies mere vessels through which to procreate. Abortion laws are hanging by a mere thread, look at what's happened in the US, it could so easily happen here.

It's so regressive I could weep.

I know you know this but I just want to be clear for those who don't follow or understand US government.

Roe was overturned by a Republican Supreme Court by 3 Justices appointed by a Republican rapist president. The current occupier of the White House had nothing to do with it.

I'm clarifying because I'm seeing this posted as rhetoric in the US against democrats, hoping to trick those who don't understand politics.

Republicans and the right took away a women's right to autonomy.

I do know this , I also know that Mr Biden and his democrats were more interested in ensure the rights of men to be women than ensure that this couldn’t happen by enacting primary legislation. Same for Mr Obama before him. If the democrats care so much for women they could have enacted statue law to prevent this overturn.

m.youtube.com/watch?v=m4ivErDEGAY&feature=youtu.be

Tory views seen clear here ^^

Hate to tell you this but Mordaunt is 2/1 with the bookies to be the next PM.

The Tories don't give a shit about women. They created the trans shitshow.
They refused to make misogyny a Hate Crime.
They put through policies, like Austerity, that disproportionately hurt women.
They put male rapists and paedophiles into women's prisons.
Tory MPs reported women to the police for retweeting JKR.
They have practically decriminalised rape.
They've resisted calls to remove genderwoo that they've written into policy, including a Maternity Bill

yep

So who is on the side of women OP?

When people feel the mainstream parties are not listening to them, things generally don’t go well. That’s not just applicable to us, to women, but as a general point.

Where I live we've had 25 years of Labour governments. So yes, I do know what they're like.

We only have ourselves it seems.

Sadly a not insignificant proportion of women are happy to give up their rights, so nothing will be done.

The Tories don't give a shit about women. They created the trans shitshow.
Pretty sure that the GRA was enacted in 2004, which was at the height of Blair's reign.

They refused to make misogyny a Hate Crime.
It would be completely unworkable (and would probably end up with "misogyny" meaning "asked a man in a dress to stop perving at girls in the changing rooms"). Frankly I'd like to see Hate Crimes abolished entirely.