Tories are NOT on the side of women

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I know the defence of Tories here often is 'at least they know what a woman is' - and they do.

But they use that knowledge of what a woman is to make our lives worse. Over 100 Tory MPs voted against a buffer zone on abortion clinics. They know we're adult human females, who can get pregnant, and they vote to allow us to be harassed because of that.

I'm also GC, and do not believe you can change sex. Gender - sure, I don't care how anyone wants to present or what they want to be called and am happy to oblige - but some things are separated on the basis of sex and should remain that way regardless of presentation.

That said, Tories are not on the side of women, and you need to he aware of that before voting for them based on this 1 issue.

The Tories are actually putting male paedophiles and rapists into women's prisons now. They don't even need a GRC.

We are having to deal with Tory genderwoo in policies. When the HoL sent the Maternity Bill back to the Commons for amendment, Penny Mordaunt stood at the Despatch Box and said TWAW and TMAM. Regardless of anything they say on Twitter or to the press, when it comes to parliamentary business, this Tory government has shown where it stands. Not with women.

I know.

That is why I said in my first post on this thread -

What a time to be a woman

Not one party stands for women's rights.

Well I won't but the plain fact is, I won't vote labour either because if I did, and they go ahead and change the law so that ANYONE can say they are a woman and make it so, then we as women will no longer have a stable platform on which to campaign for our sex based rights.

Abortion is about WOMEN. Only women need them. So I can see the logic. We need to keep our identity as women intact. It's vital for any fight for our rights to be preserved.

If you are happy to vote for a party who has Jamie Wallis as an MP then go ahead.
He certainly knows what (young) women are. When running his sugar daddy site he regarded them as commodities to sell to rich old men to fuck for money to line his pockets. But please go ahead and vote for these disgusting degenerates, I'm sure your daughters will be glad of the money while they are at University.

Anyway Labour would be worse, Labour MPs probably eat kittens.

The Tories are, by definition, conservative. So it should be of no surprise when their members vote for traditionally conservative valued policies (I'm not a Tory)

It’s currently looking like Jamie Wallis will lose his seat at the next election. As will a great many Welsh Tory MPs, except perhaps David Davies of Monmouth.

The wrong email seems to be a front - listening to Times

Furious at the change of direction

Wrong thread…

These posts are so transparent. Makes me laugh.

Exactly. I reckon self ID is going to be way down most people's priorities when voting, whatever keeps being said on here.

But at what cost?

Put simply, under the trans rights argument, women are the ones with privilege and we must cede space in order to prevent the suffering of trans people.

That’s not going to go down well with women.

Exactly. I reckon self ID is going to be way down most people's priorities when voting, whatever keeps being said on here.

I have no doubt that were there a GE tomorrow the Labour Party would win.

What I can't get my head round is why women who are going to vote for Labour are not ALSO up in arms about the prospect of Self ID though.

It is quite possible to say that you believe that the LP is the best option for the country at the moment but you don't believe that the LP policy on Self ID is in the best interests of women .

That's not what's happening though and I wonder why? What is happening instead is either flat out denial that it is labour policy or flat out denial that the impact will harm vulnerable women.

It's almost as though women who are going to vote Labour are prepared to throw women under the bus because 'at least it's better than the Tories'.

The Tories can be against women because they know what one is. None of the other parties can be said to be "anti-woman" because they can't define what a woman is. That certainly does not make them supportive of women. It means that they simply negate woman's lived, valid experiences. That's far worse than being anti-woman. And it's utterly horrific that it's even possible to be worse than "anti-women".

This doesn't make me too-Tory btw, it just makes me extremely disillusioned.

I’m not prepared to throw millions of women and children under the bus by voting Tory. Never, in 50 years of voting, have I ever put my X next the name of a Tory candidate and I’m not starting now.

That’s fine. I appreciate others who feel as I do and post about that on here but I don’t expect it to matter to everyone. It seems to come to press attention in waves, again fine, they’ll be periods where it’s not being discussed as much.

Blossomtoes, you called me a liar earlier which was demonstrably untrue. Care to apologise?

I'm not asking you to vote Tory, I don't even vote Tory myself.

I'm asking you to acknowledge that the current Labour Party policy on trans rights will harm women. You won't do that. You have called me a liar for pointing out what Keir Starmer has said about Trans women which is evidenced in press reports. It is true.

If you don't believe that the LP policies will harm women then would you care to explain why?

I don't understand the cognitive dissonance of ' I will never vote Tory because they harm women but it is fine to vote Labour', in the face of all of the evidence to the contrary.

Perhaps if all Women who vote Labour were prepared to speak out against the Labour Party policy on this then they would be forced to changed their mind. Ignoring it or pretending it doesn't exists is madness.

Blossomtoes, you called me a liar earlier which was demonstrably untrue. Care to apologise?

I didn’t actually. I requested that we stop promulgating lies. But if the cap fits ..

Perhaps if all Women who vote Labour were prepared to speak out against the Labour Party policy on this then they would be forced to changed their mind. Ignoring it or pretending it doesn't exists is madness

That's the thing about the current Labour faithful, bound by the rules of political orthodoxy, to accept all the tenets without criticism - else you risk being jettisoned from the congregation.

What lie was I promulgating? It's the same difference Blossomtoes.

That's the thing about the current Labour faithful, bound by the rules of political orthodoxy, to accept all the tenets without criticism - else you risk being jettisoned from the congregation.

I know, it's so disappointing.

I was a life long Labour voter. Not any more.

The only women the LP wants in its congregation are the ones who believe men are women no matter the impact it has on us as a sex class.

Yum. Policies which hurt single parents, children, public services, public sector workers, caters and the disabled impact on women massively. The Tories policies are harmful to women. Anyone who votes Tory ought to be ashamed of themselves

According to the Tories (a couple of weeks ago, we need to find a jolly old British fudge that works so well. One of their suggestions was that natal schoolgirls wait while transgirls get changed first. This was the same week they put a male paedophile in a women's prison containing a Mother and Child unit. He didn't have a GRC.

Once again the Tories demonstrated that they know that a woman's place is to make room for men.

I agree. I also think Labour have zero idea what a woman is. The whole lot of them are truly disappointing tbh. So stuck on who I'd vote for. Will have to look at what the Lib Dems are to these days.

Liberal Democrap Lynne Featherstone has said that women who don't consent to intact males in their toilets aren't welcome in the party.

@ReneBumsWombats well that's that then. How rubbish