Tories are NOT on the side of women

[RoomOfRequirement]

I know the defence of Tories here often is 'at least they know what a woman is' - and they do.

But they use that knowledge of what a woman is to make our lives worse. Over 100 Tory MPs voted against a buffer zone on abortion clinics. They know we're adult human females, who can get pregnant, and they vote to allow us to be harassed because of that.

I'm also GC, and do not believe you can change sex. Gender - sure, I don't care how anyone wants to present or what they want to be called and am happy to oblige - but some things are separated on the basis of sex and should remain that way regardless of presentation.

That said, Tories are not on the side of women, and you need to he aware of that before voting for them based on this 1 issue.

I've voted for Labour all my life and I can't begin to tell you how much trust capital this party has burnt through for me to get to the point in which it feels like I'd have to hand in something essential of myself to cross that box again.

But a party that puts faith first, that disregards biology, that shuts down fair debate, that tells women they disagree with that they don't want their vote isn't a party I can get behind. I don't yet know in all honesty if I could vote Tory, it hasn't come to that yet. But I won't vote Labour until it settles the fuck down with this shit.

Yes, how they've treated Rosie is appalling, but note she has not and will not cross the floor, despite being courted by very senior Tories. She has support within Labour and believes the best way forward for women is to change Labour, not vote Tory.

They are going to introduce self ID which means that any man who says he is a woman is one.

Are they? Have they published their manifesto? With a very full intray crammed with crucial economic matters it would be very surprising if any political party found time to focus on this nonsense. Although Theresa May’s GRA was proposing it in quieter times.

What part of the OP states someone shouldn't be allowed a vote?

Lisa Nandy has stated that trans rapists should be housed in women's prisons if they identify as women -

It is clear to me that the intention is to introduce self ID whether it is specifically stated in the manifesto or not. Women who won't agree that men can be women are being asked to remove themselves from the Labour Party FFS.

Do you agree with this? Do you think that this is appropriate policy?

And what part of the OP even mentioned Labour?

Fuck the reading comprehension on here is even worse than usual today.

It wasn't the op. It was VladimirPoutine's post, op.

"I genuinely don't think anyone who votes for the Tories because they know what a woman is should be allowed a vote"

@RoomOfRequirement

why do you think I was responding to your opening post?

I was responding to subsequent posts.

But go ahead and criticise my reading comprehension!

Lisa Nandy is one MP. She made a statement which hasn’t had official Labour Party endorsement. Starmer takes the same view of the 2010 Equality Act as Suella Braverman and he was party leader the last time I looked. Has Nandy ousted him since PMQs this morning?

Why the op? The pp was probably referring to this I genuinely don't think anyone who votes for the Tories because they know what a woman is should be allowed a vote.

So yes agree with them it’s ridiculous how posters feel they can control the voting for other women

Well at a national level, Labour is the only realistic alternative.

I remember when Lynne Featherstone told us all that if we didn't consent to intact males in female toilets, we weren't welcome in her party. Sounds like fighting words until you remember she's a LibDem. Can't barter with no chips, Lynne.

I don’t think it is a single issue @ilovesooty

When the child support was removed from couples where one person earned over £60K this was clear. If you are married you are a chattel not an individual.

Oh shall we just ignore the fact that the Labour front bench right up to Keir Starmer says TWAW and that is the law?

Shall we just ignore the fact that the Labour Party refused the Labour Women's declaration attendance at the Labour Party Conference?

Shall we just ignore the fact that Labour has made it clear that women who believe that men can't be women are not welcome in the party?

I really wonder Blossomtoes why you won't speak out AGAINST the Labour Party on this issue, why are you brushing it under the carpet?

It is perfectly possible to say I will vote Labour because on the whole I believe they are the best party to run the country but I don't agree with them ON THIS ISSUE. I just can't get my head round why you are in denial about what they stand for on this and the implications of it on vulnerable women.

What is it then?

Oh shall we just ignore the fact that the Labour front bench right up to Keir Starmer says TWAW and that is the law?

Shall we stop promulgating lies? That would be a good start. I note that you have nothing to say about the Tory GRA - a bit inconvenient, is it?

Womens rights aren’t one issue.

It seeps into a myriad of things, including prison, healthcare, sport, education.

It’s not one issue you can ignore and hold your nose on because it permeates through everything else. I think that’s why it causes such division here as some people see it as one thing that they might not agree with but not a big deal. Others (and personally I agree with this stance) see it as something that seeps into everything else affecting women.

He said that in an interview with Pink News.
It is widely reported (it is in THIS article) so I would appreciate you didn't cal me a liar and apologise.,

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/03/12/jk-rowling-keir-starmer-misrepresents-equalities-law-saying/

Proposed reforms to the GRA are not the same as Self ID. My own view is that the GRA should be abolished.

How can any feminist vote for a party containing a significant number of politicians who are either outright anti choice, or at minimum in favour of restricting abortion access?

It boggles the mind. Limiting abortion access is one of the most dangerous things that can be done to women.

Yes well said it’s a major issue to me and many others. Others see it differently, either minority or single etc

Up to them but you’ve articulated well the basic difference which underpins it.

In respect of the Tories, I think at this point it's more about what they HAVEN'T done. Which is actually bring in self ID as law. Despite it being them who first proposed it.

On the other hand, they also haven't done ANYTHING to reign in the countless organisations and companies who have gone ahead and behaved as if it IS the law.

Including the bloody MOJ.

Labour, on the other hand, are paddling enthusiastically towards Self ID and have made it clear they WILL be bringing it in.

If this happens, we are all royally fucked. We can't even say these companies and organisations are breaking the law any more. And it will cement the culture change that is already sweeping the nation.

Labour NEED to drop it. Please please please.

@Whattaweapon to be honest I do think we are in a horrible position at the moment. But unless I have misunderstood something there are no plans in the tory party to prevent abortion. I personally feel that individuals are free to feel however they like about it.

Yes. And this

Lisa Nandy has stated that trans rapists should be housed in women's prisons if they identify as women.

The Tories are actually putting male paedophiles and rapists into women's prisons now. They don't even need a GRC.

We are having to deal with Tory genderwoo in policies. When the HoL sent the Maternity Bill back to the Commons for amendment, Penny Mordaunt stood at the Despatch Box and said TWAW and TMAM. Regardless of anything they say on Twitter or to the press, when it comes to parliamentary business, this Tory government has shown where it stands. Not with women.

This is really disingenuous. I've outlined how I can't vote for Labour. How I am concerned about what we are left with when we throw a crowbar between women and their biology and the cascade of unintended consequences when we do.

That's my genuinely held feminist belief, not just that, it's my fundamental feminist belief.

It may be that I am completely disenfranchised by a political system that is anti-women on all fronts. Or I may see gaps in a Tory party to vote tactically to solidify that principle - which I feel is under attack - knowing simultaneously that they don't operate on the side of women.