Tories are NOT on the side of women

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I know the defence of Tories here often is 'at least they know what a woman is' - and they do.

But they use that knowledge of what a woman is to make our lives worse. Over 100 Tory MPs voted against a buffer zone on abortion clinics. They know we're adult human females, who can get pregnant, and they vote to allow us to be harassed because of that.

I'm also GC, and do not believe you can change sex. Gender - sure, I don't care how anyone wants to present or what they want to be called and am happy to oblige - but some things are separated on the basis of sex and should remain that way regardless of presentation.

That said, Tories are not on the side of women, and you need to he aware of that before voting for them based on this 1 issue.

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In your dreams, maybe, toobig. You obviously don't have much of an acquaintance with mn.

If there was an SDP candidate available, i'd vote for them.

I've been looking at SDP and would consider voting for them next time.

I know this " knowing what a woman is" seems to influence mnetters voting. But the Tories don't know what a poor person is, what a working person is and what a dignified life is. All these issues impact women the most anyway. Therefore I will vote Labour or Green.

In the end, I could never, ever, bring myself to vote for a party that directly informs me that my gc views are wrong.
As Labour MPs have, repeatedly. So they can fuck right off.
I don't want to see the likes of David Lammy (rights-hoarding dinosaurs), Angela Rayner, or Starmer (inappropriate to ask if only women have a cervix) sitting on the Front Bench.

Frankly, I see no evidence that men on the left are any greater a friend to women than men on the right. Currently they are more captured on this issue.

I don't know all the details about the abortion buffer zones issue and how the bill was worded but I'd assume the right's objections are presumably about the right to protest, that would be ideologically consistent, if frustrating on this particular issue.

SDP look terrible as well - their policies makes it clear they want to focus on traditional families ie a married couple with kids.

Why should a married couple with kids get priority for housing over a single mother?

Their policies would make it even harder for women to leave abusive relationships.

Not sure of having a focus on “britains net positive contribution to world history” being taught in schools either. Looks like they want to undo a lot of the good work being done to finally teach the realities of the British empire.

A focus on traditional families / values and the positive things about Britain sounds good to me. I will definitely vote for them.

Me too jabberwocky

SDP statement on sex / gender identity. Looks more positive then I've seen from the Tory's. And labour don't know what a woman is at all.

Transgender individuals wishing to change their legal sex should be allowed to do so. However, we support the continued necessity for medical gatekeeping in any legal change of sex marker. We oppose proposals that would allow someone to change their legal sex by self-identification only.
We support segregation by biological sex in sport. Fair competition is not secured if male-bodied transgender athletes are permitted to compete in women’s sport and, in the case of contact sports, the risk of injury can increase significantly.
We support segregation by biological sex in prisons and women’s refuges in order to safeguard the safety and privacy of natal females. Separate prisons or prison accommodation should be provided for transgender citizens to ensure their safety and privacy.
Healthcare spending and resources for gender dysphoric individuals, including long-term psychological intervention, should be provided at sufficient levels. Physical or drug-based medical treatments for gender dysphoria should be prohibited for anyone under 18 years of age.
We support the retention of biological sex and gender identity as distinct categories in public sector data gathering such as crime statistics, poverty metrics or public health research.
We support the use of plain English for discussions of biological sex in health and reproductive care.

Honestly, I might just not vote. Completely down with politicians now. It's a painful decision because I've always voted, but no amount of holding my nose will work this time.

I don't think anyone thought that Tories were 'on the side of women'. They just aren't currently active in trying to unravel the category of woman as a distinct sex class.

And yet, and yet, the GRA happened in the last decade to unravel freedoms and safe spaces have happened under the current government. Their knowing what an adult human female has not stopped what has happened in prisons.

Why Mordaunt? I mean that seriously. What has she got that the Conservatives think they as a party or the country needs?

I don't think they would pick another woman over a non white man, but I didn't think they would lumber us with LT either, so what do I know?

As for all the MPs yesterday blaming the party membership for letting LT in and distancing themselves from it, who got her to the last 2? MPs, that's who.

YANBU at all OP

Tories policies of allowing people to fall into poverty also affect women much more than men

For me, getting the Tories out is the most important thing. The NHS is at the point of collapse. They’ve trashed the economy through hard Brexit and incompetence. Even before that their austerity policies massively increased poverty and inequality (remember when food banks weren’t even a thing?) and seriously damaged public services.
When Covid came along they funnelled millions to mates through the contracts ‘VIP lane’ and wasted billions of public money.
They are happy to break international law and international obligations, happy to deport torture victims seeking asylum to Rwanda.
And there’s more, but that’s just off the top of my head.
For those who feel they can’t vote for any of the other options, please consider spoiling your ballot rather than putting a tick of approval next to that track record.

As for all the MPs yesterday blaming the party membership for letting LT in and distancing themselves from it, who got her to the last 2? MPs, that's who

absolutely

Labour want to make 'misgendering' an aggrevated offence.
Labour aren't just trying to take away women's rights they want to control free speech, which is a slippery slope to go down.
We have to be able to define ourselves and speak the truth.

I am an ex Labour supporter by the way.
They have absolutely alienated me.
I am now politically homeless.

Why would anyone in their right mind want this. The Tories are terrible. But Labour are appalling. As a swing voter I will not be swinging back to Labour any time soon.

Each party had people voting in favour and people voting against. A great many MPs were voting on the civil liberties/free speech issue (and have previously voted in favour of reproductive rights).

Don't confuse the free speech issue with the reproductive rights issue - they are not they same, even if they are in conflict to some extent on this issue, just as they are when protestors block other legal activities.

So you are ok with say a group of men shouting at a Lesbian couple, walking through a park and calling them "gay men" ?

Or a gay young man bullied & called a "woman" ?

Is it ok for me to go into my local supermarket, where a Trans women works and constantly refer to "her" as a man? regardless of the upset i cause?

Its a bit like the pp who said he wanted to remove hate speech as a crime.

I don't know all the details about the abortion buffer zones issue and how the bill was worded but I'd assume the right's objections are presumably about the right to protest, that would be ideologically consistent, if frustrating on this particular issue.

The opposite. The 110 MPs who presumably supported Patel's desire to remove the right to protest voted against removing the right to harass protest outside venues that provide abortion services, so ideologically inconsistent.

I will vote for the party that might do something I don't like every time over the party that has spent twelve years enacting policy that overwhelmingly harms women and children.

Nuts, isn't it? I know a local Labour councillor (to the point we're friendly) and asked him how these proscriptions would work for our DC with additional needs, and his lovely mum with some memory loss, and he said he knows it's unworkable.

Unworkable? How about obscene? It's obscene to put vulnerable people into the criminal justice system for verbalising the truth.

Is it ok for women to be forced to address their rapist as she?

Is it ok for women to be forced to share prisons / refuges / women's safe spaces with men identifying as women, and not be able to call it out because misgendering is an aggravated offense?

There's already laws in place to deal with harassment which are more than adequate. We do not need additional hate speech laws or laws making misgendering an aggravated offense. Fuck that shit. And fuck labour.

I don't believe in people getting arrested and a criminal record for explaining reality and what they see in front of their eyes.

Truth is important.
When you start compelling people to say 'black is white' you end up on a slippery slope.

I also don't believe that this effects people walking in a park or at a checkout I have never referred to people as though they aren't there using pronouns in front of them especially for such a short amount of interaction, I was always taught it was rude.

I also don't believe humans to be perfect.
I know that many would slip up seeing the obvious reality in front of them.
There is no way I think that people should get a criminal record for it.

I don't believe that everyone should be forced to think the same, history tells us that doesn't work and often has harmful and dangerous consequences.

Very true.
I often see people really have no thoughts for victims of abuse in all of this.
It's very disappointing.