Tories are NOT on the side of women

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I know the defence of Tories here often is 'at least they know what a woman is' - and they do.

But they use that knowledge of what a woman is to make our lives worse. Over 100 Tory MPs voted against a buffer zone on abortion clinics. They know we're adult human females, who can get pregnant, and they vote to allow us to be harassed because of that.

I'm also GC, and do not believe you can change sex. Gender - sure, I don't care how anyone wants to present or what they want to be called and am happy to oblige - but some things are separated on the basis of sex and should remain that way regardless of presentation.

That said, Tories are not on the side of women, and you need to he aware of that before voting for them based on this 1 issue.

Well clearly it isn't common knowledge. Why so coy in speaking up? What's with the insults? Do you think you, and people like you, are helping labour to secure a future majority? Or maybe you're not labour at all. It seems as though you actively want to keep labour out by presenting labour supporters as ideological and abusive. That's demonstrated in your behaviour.

I know. What could labour do better?

Insulting people who vote Tory will not stop them voting Tory, it'll just make them stay quiet about it. Then you'll wonder why they win landslides when nobody seemed to like them or explain their appeal. Not that I think a Tory landslide is coming any time soon, they've done a right number on themselves at the moment, but the overall point remains. You don't change anyone's mind by calling them pieces of shit or scum (and you don't gain any moral high ground either) but you do cut off a useful communication channel.

I'm not a fucking Tory ffs. I want to vote Labour safe in the knowledge that they haven't reneged on safeguarding. Or freedom of expression, for that matter.

The Conservative government is poison. I said it upthread and I'm saying it again.

It took them so long to implement the Alexis Jay and Cass inquiries/reviews that the recommendations that flow from it will fall into the shattered remnants of what used to be our public services thanks to 12 years of the Tories. I won't forget that Mordaunt dragged her feet on the Tavistock inquiry so much that in the end fucking Matt Hancock had to order it. Personally I think she deserves to be under investigation, not in Downing Street or anywhere near it.

I want Keir Starmer to promise that Labour won't subvert the Cass recommendations. I want Starmer to commit to keeping males out of women's prisons and women's refuges and women's rape crisis centres and women's hospital wards. I want Starmer to commit to children's safeguarding as understood in the Children Act. 2004, not as promoted by Stonewall and Mermaids. I want Starmer to commit to freedom of expression for all, not just for people who believe a particular set of mantras.

I want to feel safe again.

I hear the SDP and SWP don't think TWAW. Single issue voters don't have to vote Tory.<<phew>>

Here's a really good article from the Morning Star that states clearly that

women are over half the population and any campaigns or actions by our movement that exclude or silence women, whether by accident or design, are not in the interests of the working class and should be rejected as anti-socialist

morningstaronline.co.uk/article/f/women-must-be-heart-class-struggle

It's not socialist rocket science.

Yes.

SWP do think trans women are women.

SDP don't think that. But unfortunately I don't think they stand a chance of getting in.

Isn't it the Communist Party of Great Britain that's 'gender critical' i.e. doesn't go along with the gender start sign bollocks?

morningstaronline.co.uk/article/women-class-and-gender-%E2%80%93-communist-perspective

This is a problem with the LP now right alongside their desire to scupper any kind of legal recognition of sex.

Their party is operating on an authoritarian model that does not even allow for proper discussion within the party. This is not something that will just affect women. Normalizing this thinking means it could happen in relation to any possible issue. If one idea gets hold among those who set the agenda, other ideas will be disallowed.

We keep getting told there are 30 or so terfy MPs in the LP working behind the scenes to change things, as if this is supposed to be comforting. It is not, it is the opposite. That is 30 MPs who are afraid to speak publicly about this. Even to come all together and present themselves as a faction that would be too big to just kick out. Or if they were all kicked out, to raise a huge public stink that would likely change the course of the discussion in the LP.

What does that mean? One possibility is that they are all complete chicken-shits. Another, more likely IMO, is that while they understand the error in terms of gender ideology, they do not understand how very serious this kind of repression of discussion inside the party itself is. How extremely dangerous.

For all the Tories are in a mess, and could really use some time in opposition to regroup and renew, they are not compromised in that kind of way.

There are Tory MPs who care a lot about women's issues - even if their views don't entirely match those of a lefty feminist. There are Labour MPs who do as well, but they are not allowed to act or talk on their behalf by the party.

Absolutely this. Why are we well onto the 21st century and still feeling so unsafe because we are women, it’s devastating, it’s the powerlessness of it all. Women are being shut down, our spaces both physical and online are being taken over by biological males but women are also enabling it.

I want to spend my life feeling safe, not fighting for basic human rights. I feel sick what these people are doing. They are systematically destroying everything women have fought for. I want to feel validated for what I am, a woman, not a cis woman, a mother, not a birth giver. How dare these people try and take this away because they think they are something which can only ever be based on a fantasy stereotype.

And I want politicians, the people who are supposed to represent us, standing up for us stopping this attack on us. I don’t actually care the party, they would get my vote. This is the most important thing facing women today, nothing else will matter when our very identity is denied us, when we have no escape from attack, where we have to strip in front of biological males, when we have no say in what we call ourselves, when our employment is taken away from us because we don’t agree to this ideology. At that point we are slaves

Possibly they could cast a vote that way, if they have the option where they live.

But it's very unlikely those parties would ever form a government. Or even be in the position to form a coalition. Believing they could is just not engaging with the political landscape.

So the individual voter must still think, if I vote SDP, will that help the Tories or Labour to get in?

So that is still the question, possibly along with which party might be in some sort of coalition with the CP or LP and what that might mean.

‘How is it not true’ is a perfectly good question which you are unable to answer

its fine not to be able to answer it

kier is unable to say whether taxes are going to go up, he is talking of tough choices to be made

he doesn’t know exactly what labour is going to be able to do because they haven’t seen the ‘extent of the damages’

we, through no fault whatsoever of labour, are going to be in the shit for years…hopefully not many years but years nonetheless

How tedious and disingenuous do you have to be to be in such denial that:

OUR TORY GOVERNMENT CRASHED THE ECONOMY AND THEIR PALS MADE MAD PROFITZ
LABOUR WOULD NOT PULL THIS SHIZ.
THAT IS THE POINT WHEN FOLK STARTED TO FEAR REPOSSESSION OF THEIR HOMES

Hope that's clear

Its absolutely clear that you can’t answer the question

obviously the torys crashed the economy and made their mates shedloads, same as covid, same as brexit

but what are labour going to do to pull us out? Tough choices as per Keir, but if Kier itsnt saying what he believes needs to happen then I don’t believe you know

all that poster was saying was that the crisis that we are in won’t stop with labour, they are going to have to make difficult choices, cut backs and probably tax rises

but you carry on saying nothing and getting all caps locky…its incredibly helpful

I saw this earlier.

twitter.com/reformparty_uk/status/1583488630064283649?t=ph3uD2XjIIGcnjJk0OE3qA&s=08

What is it with the rudeness of some labour supporters. I reckon you must hate the Labour party and are actually trying to drive potential voters away. And you're doing a great job. I can't imagine for a moment labour need people like you in their corner.

Who is @SuspiciousHedgehog talking to?

Shouting into the wind I think

Bad day

Everyone in the Lying Toad corner

Thanks for clearing that up.

Oh dear. This really isn’t helpful, is it?

Helpfully putting the gender wars into context and educating a specific brand of mumsnet feminists into just quite how MARGINAL they are becoming?

Glad I could help