Tories are NOT on the side of women

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I know the defence of Tories here often is 'at least they know what a woman is' - and they do.

But they use that knowledge of what a woman is to make our lives worse. Over 100 Tory MPs voted against a buffer zone on abortion clinics. They know we're adult human females, who can get pregnant, and they vote to allow us to be harassed because of that.

I'm also GC, and do not believe you can change sex. Gender - sure, I don't care how anyone wants to present or what they want to be called and am happy to oblige - but some things are separated on the basis of sex and should remain that way regardless of presentation.

That said, Tories are not on the side of women, and you need to he aware of that before voting for them based on this 1 issue.

In an ideal world, the Tories would strengthen and clarify women’s rights under the Equality Act. Then they would leave government, so that Labour can work on everything else that’s wrong with this country.

That incoherent tweet made her look like a bloody lunatic. I'm so sick of it. And the sight of Mordaunt running to be leader gives me a visceral reaction that I could explain but would probably get me deleted.

Bloody hell, what have we become in this country?

Yet despite all that, labour are still far worse
How so?

They're not going to make any economic difference. Debts need to be paid whoever is in power

Yes but we need someone competent at dealing with that without financially crippling further and starving members of the country first.

If things seem bad now, and they are bad, it can get far far worse
Of course they can, every time we have thought it was bad in the last 3 years, the tories have shown us how much worse it can get, so we need damage limitation,

Especially as labour don't even recognise over half the population

And some of the tories dont. But the ones that do recognise us, don't give a shit for our rights and they are showing you that, I'm not sure why that's better ?.

And the impact of that would be appalling

Yes it is appalling that people are still defending the very party allowing this to happen on their watch.

Personally I'd like them both to fuck off and stay fucked off
Yes, but that's not going to happen so we need to live in the real world with things that are actually happening.

In the meantime, welcome to a lot more shit. Forever.
I disagree, I think with the right controls and leadership this can slowly be turned around,

In an ideal world, the Tories would strengthen and clarify women’s rights under the Equality Act. Then they would leave government, so that Labour can work on everything else that’s wrong with this country.

Sadly if the tories were going to strengthen our rights, they would have done so by now, they have had long enough to do so and opted not to.

I'm also not going to tell you who I'm going to vote for in the Tory leadership

That’s a bit of a give away when only Tory party members get a vote!

No, they aren't on the side of women. They know an electoral opportunity when they see it. But neither are Labour. Nor are the Lib Dems. Or the Greens. Nor, if you are in Scotland are SNP.
I'm not yet prepared to hold my nose to vote Labour to get the Tories out. Mind you, my constituency is solid Labour and the local MP also trots out the TRA garbage so my vote means nothing.
Planning to spoil my paper to say Don't expect my X if you don't respect my sex. They can wipe their arses with it for all I care.

I’ve counted votes, albeit only for council elections. After the counting had been completed for a ward, the Presiding Officer would call for the candidates (or a representative from their party) to come forward, and he’d show them all the spoilt ballots. So, a few people did read the spoilt ballots, even if their main interest was, “can I claim this as a vote for me/my party?”

I thought that was the point!

It's an unreasonable question. Politics is not about sides, it's an immature way to think about it.

The other issue is that just because you think certain policies are good or bad for women does not make it automatically the case that anyone who has a different viewpoint doesn't care about women or wants to hurt them.

You hear this type of statement all the time about the Tories voting against making misogyny a hate crime. Sure, some people think that would be good for women and support it. Other people, including many women, think it could be used to harm women. Or they think hate crime laws are bad laws generally. None of that means they hate women.

The Tories and Labour both support a variety of policies, some of which may be good for women, others not. A lot depends on how effective you think any of these policies might be, the potential downsides, what other policies are meant to work along side them, or the what the log term consequences might be.

There are clearly people in the Conservative Party who care about women and work hard for them, and on a personal level, are "on the side of women" as they see it.

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I disagree, I think with the right controls and leadership this can slowly be turned around

Well it's always good to be hopeful. Maybe enough people will vote for labour and you'll get your dream. I won't be one of those voters though.

Your vote won’t be missed, judging by the polls.

Time will tell 😄

There’s a massive difference between having policies that are not aimed specifically at women but because of the structure of society disproportionately affects them and actively supporting ideologies which deny what a woman is, take away fundamental rights of dignity and safety for women and create a situation where women are frightened to voice concerns. It’s a witch hunt environment. It’s a way to control women and make them compromise themselves for the needs of others, they are not even allowed their own identity. I really don’t get how people can’t see how important this is, not just for today but for generations to come. It’s not some frivolous 1st world problem. It’s about protecting over half the population from being told who they are allowed to be and what they must put up with. Don’t complain about stripping next to this biologically male individual, humiliated if you do, humiliated if you don’t. It’s not about the rights of trans people and keeping them safe if it was they would be fighting for third spaces, it’s about the subjugation of women. That single point is very decisive where I put my vote. Who are you to decide why I should vote one way or the other.

with the Tories it’s collateral damage, with Labour it’s a laser guided missile.

with the Tories it’s collateral damage, with Labour it’s a laser guided missile.

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It's pathetic isn't it?

The views / wants of these obtuse minorities (yes they are the minority) have infiltrated the country's institutions to such a degree that even democracy has been cast aside. I tried to speak to my own MP about it but she cut me off as "I'm not comfortable talking about it", so basically even the MPs are shit scared of giving their real opinion. Inclusion etc. is bollocks because you are excluded unless you kowtow to the "minorities" view. The term is bullying.

Exactly, in 21st century we shouldn’t even be having to factor women being bullied into giving up heir safe spaces and privacy and dignity into politics, these things should be a given, yet here we are, over 50% of the population and the people elected to represent them scared by a tiny minority into giving up their very identities, it’s the dehumanisation of women. We are mothers, not birth people/brood mares, we are strong women, not people who mesturate. We are women who have fought for bodily autonomy not some convent parking spot for someone we aren’t physically attracted to to stick their dick under the necessity to not appear biggoted. How have we got here? What propaganda that some women are cheering on their own persecution. Witch hunts, the targeting of women, not prepared to just blindly follow society’s norms are back. And Labour are championing this persecution

with the Tories it’s collateral damage, with Labour it’s a laser guided missile.
love this.
Can anyone give a link to Dodds' tweet?

Good quote. But it’s a laser guided missile for Penny Mordaunt too.

And Caroline Nokes, Maria Miller and Crispin Blunt.

You really are reaching by including LT in those three. She doesn’t really count and was torn to shreds by the Tories as was Theresa May. Theresa May was in fact treated worse by the men in grey suits and in general by the Tories, she was subjected to disgusting misogyny.

You need to make a decision on never voting Labour for solid reasons, not this.

Yes, @Blossomtoes - two successive chairs of the Women & Equalities Select Committee and the chair of the APPG, so hardly insignificant figures.

Blunt (mates with a paedophile) really thought he had self-ID all stitched up behind closed doors with Mordaunt and was furious when Truss took over from Mordaunt and put the brakes on it.

Mordaunt is always hanging around the Cabinet like a bad smell. Very entitled for a mediocrity. It shows how shallow the Tories are that she is ‘head girl’.

It shows how shallow the Tories are that she is ‘head girl’.

It shows how pointless a Tory vote is for anyone who’s GC.

So the Tories are shallow with Mordaunt as their "head girl?"
So what does that make all of the Labour MPs with Keir as the actual LEADER of the opposition party, putting this agenda at the heart of everything?

I also wouldn't say she really sounds head of anything as she lost out as PM in the last rounds and doesn't appear to be doing too well this time...
I am always much more focussed on the leaders of the parties as they are the ones who will be putting people in their new roles that can make change.

I find it interesting how people who are for the safety, privacy and dignity of females are always really prepared to say yes both the Tories and Labour are both rubbish but it's the best of a bad bunch.
But people who want them to vote Labour are completely blind to any fault in Labour, bizzare..

Don't forget Con MP Bridgend, Jamie Wallis. Britain's first trans MP.