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Tories are NOT on the side of women

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RoomOfRequirement · 19/10/2022 14:35

I know the defence of Tories here often is 'at least they know what a woman is' - and they do.

But they use that knowledge of what a woman is to make our lives worse. Over 100 Tory MPs voted against a buffer zone on abortion clinics. They know we're adult human females, who can get pregnant, and they vote to allow us to be harassed because of that.

I'm also GC, and do not believe you can change sex. Gender - sure, I don't care how anyone wants to present or what they want to be called and am happy to oblige - but some things are separated on the basis of sex and should remain that way regardless of presentation.

That said, Tories are not on the side of women, and you need to he aware of that before voting for them based on this 1 issue.

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AutumnCrow · 23/10/2022 08:10

Labour absolutely does not need to be bringing its own unnecessary shit into the Augean stables of government. Why are they even fighting with women? Big question: why are they fighting with women over children's safeguarding?

I did my children's safeguarding training under a Labour government. I met and/or heard government ministers like Margaret Hodge, Jacqui Smith and David Miliband at events following Lord Laming's inquiry, where you could tell they really actually did give a shit. I am desperately concerned about the slippage of the Labour Party into an ideology of 'sacred caste' and 'magic words' that reverses the gains for children made under the last Labour government.

I can think these things while simultaneously drilling down into what exactly has been going on in the Conservative Party and government involving the likes of Blunt, Mordaunt, Nokes and Miller, and their backroom deals.

I can think these things while simultaneously knowing that this Conservative government is a busted flush and needs to go, before it can damage the vast majority of people even further. This Conservative government is poison.

But Labour doesn't get a free pass on everything as a result. Children deserve better than that from us.

Tillsforthrills · 23/10/2022 08:55

OMG12 · 21/10/2022 19:15

There’s a massive difference between having policies that are not aimed specifically at women but because of the structure of society disproportionately affects them and actively supporting ideologies which deny what a woman is, take away fundamental rights of dignity and safety for women and create a situation where women are frightened to voice concerns. It’s a witch hunt environment. It’s a way to control women and make them compromise themselves for the needs of others, they are not even allowed their own identity. I really don’t get how people can’t see how important this is, not just for today but for generations to come. It’s not some frivolous 1st world problem. It’s about protecting over half the population from being told who they are allowed to be and what they must put up with. Don’t complain about stripping next to this biologically male individual, humiliated if you do, humiliated if you don’t. It’s not about the rights of trans people and keeping them safe if it was they would be fighting for third spaces, it’s about the subjugation of women. That single point is very decisive where I put my vote. Who are you to decide why I should vote one way or the other.

with the Tories it’s collateral damage, with Labour it’s a laser guided missile.

This is how I feel exactly, it’s sad to see how blatantly unimportant women are and what us happening is very scary to many of us.

With Conservatives or Labour or any party not willing to genuinely strengthen women’s rights and identity.

Tillsforthrills · 23/10/2022 08:56

malificent7 · 21/10/2022 07:39

I know this " knowing what a woman is" seems to influence mnetters voting. But the Tories don't know what a poor person is, what a working person is and what a dignified life is. All these issues impact women the most anyway. Therefore I will vote Labour or Green.

Very true also.

Tillsforthrills · 23/10/2022 08:59

Then again, at least with Labour you would have the freedom to protest injustices to bring about change.

The Tories want to do away with workers rights and protest and that’s just for starters.

So yes, Labour is the lesser of the two evils in many ways.

SuspiciousHedgehog · 23/10/2022 09:02

JabberwockyPie · 23/10/2022 07:45

We'd be in the same crises whoever was in power. That's not going to be a vote winner for labour, despite the Tory party being terrible.

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That's clearly not true.

But I won't worry about you continuing to parrot it, because we have all been observing the last few weeks, and I have faith in common sense ordinary people to see through your croaky old lies

AutumnCrow · 23/10/2022 09:06

It really concerns me that among the Labour faithful, safeguarding is seen as a 'luxury belief'.

SuspiciousHedgehog · 23/10/2022 09:10

You twist my words
Culture Wars, a tory handle on voters, or was because now

Mortgages
Bills
NHS
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'Save the children' hyperbole is not going to change this.

And no, people are not goldfish and their expenses will not return to pre Truss levels, because things are going to get even worse, for the vast majority (which may not include you)

JabberwockyPie · 23/10/2022 09:16

SuspiciousHedgehog · 23/10/2022 09:02

That's clearly not true.

But I won't worry about you continuing to parrot it, because we have all been observing the last few weeks, and I have faith in common sense ordinary people to see through your croaky old lies

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Ok. Can you tell me why it's not true then? Get potential voters on board. I'm willing to listen.

JabberwockyPie · 23/10/2022 09:17

SuspiciousHedgehog · 23/10/2022 09:10

You twist my words
Culture Wars, a tory handle on voters, or was because now

Mortgages
Bills
NHS
................

'Save the children' hyperbole is not going to change this.

And no, people are not goldfish and their expenses will not return to pre Truss levels, because things are going to get even worse, for the vast majority (which may not include you)

Save the children hyperbole? Why hyperbole? Can you explain?

SuspiciousHedgehog · 23/10/2022 09:17

You must live on a Martian moon. I don't need to persuade anyone of anything.

It's fun watching desperate tories squirm, though

JabberwockyPie · 23/10/2022 09:20

SuspiciousHedgehog · 23/10/2022 09:17

You must live on a Martian moon. I don't need to persuade anyone of anything.

It's fun watching desperate tories squirm, though

And this is the problem with labour. And this is why they will fail to win an election. Despite the shit we are in. Labour is full of angry children.

MarshaBradyo · 23/10/2022 09:22

I don’t see much squirming from anyone but just a load of invective from some.

Fine, it’s a way to vent but not much in it.

RufustheFloralmissingreindeer · 23/10/2022 09:23

SuspiciousHedgehog · 23/10/2022 09:17

You must live on a Martian moon. I don't need to persuade anyone of anything.

It's fun watching desperate tories squirm, though

You are unable to

as a floating voter who is never going to vote tory id like to know why the current ‘crisis’ , which in my opinion is a mix of tory mismanagement, brexit, covid and the ukraine war, will disappear with Labour

i think what little money they have will be aimed in a different direction obviously…or at least id like to believe that

itsgettingweird · 23/10/2022 09:23

Ramblingnamechanger · 19/10/2022 14:55

I won’t vote for any party which thinks males in womens prisons/ refuges/ changing rooms is a great plan. And which disregards safeguarding.

So basically you aren't voting?

Labour seem to say they'd allow this.

Tory's have allowed it already.

Not sure what LD and greens think about this. It's certainly something I need to research closer.

JabberwockyPie · 23/10/2022 09:25

I can only think that posters like you suspicious don't really care that much about labour at all. If there was ever a time, now would be it, to explain why they are better. But you can't. Much more fun to be rude to people online isn't it who you think are Tories. Rather than answer genuine questions. And by behaving like that, you, and all those other people like you, alienate those who may have considered voting labour, if they were electable. And that's why we don't have a credible opposition party. We are totally fucked.

OMG12 · 23/10/2022 09:31

Tillsforthrills · 23/10/2022 08:59

Then again, at least with Labour you would have the freedom to protest injustices to bring about change.

The Tories want to do away with workers rights and protest and that’s just for starters.

So yes, Labour is the lesser of the two evils in many ways.

Until you got thrown in jail for hate speech for stating biological fact!

everyone should pick up a copy of 1984 and Brave New World and see where we are

Sausagenbacon · 23/10/2022 09:38

My dh is a labour party member. Anything that expresses gc views on their fb page is deleted for being transphobic

JabberwockyPie · 23/10/2022 09:42

Sausagenbacon · 23/10/2022 09:38

My dh is a labour party member. Anything that expresses gc views on their fb page is deleted for being transphobic

Labour aren't keen on debate are they. And then they're seemingly surprised that, despite how shit everything is, people are still reluctant to consider voting for them.

derxa · 23/10/2022 09:46

Blossomtoes · 22/10/2022 07:50

And Caroline Nokes, Maria Miller and Crispin Blunt.

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Any politician who says TWAW is a foolish idiot in my book no matter what party they belong to. They know it's not true and therefore are lying to the electorate. People like Joanna Cherry and Rosie Duffield have suffered terrible abuse for taking a stand.
It's an issue that transcends party politics. Politicians are too lily livered about this in general. Boris Johnson made clear at the dispatch box what his thoughts about this were and I respect him for that.
www.theguardian.com/society/2022/mar/23/call-for-respect-for-trans-rights-after-boris-johnson-says-biology-overwhelmingly-important
That doesn't mean I think the Tories support women better because they clearly don't.

OMG12 · 23/10/2022 09:55

JabberwockyPie · 23/10/2022 09:42

Labour aren't keen on debate are they. And then they're seemingly surprised that, despite how shit everything is, people are still reluctant to consider voting for them.

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There is no debate or compromise with Labour. They make demands, reasonable suggestions are ignored. They are ideologically driven with no grasp on reality. They hate anyone who thinks differently. They are good at victimhood.Now I wonder why they embrace the TI brigade?

YetAnotherSpartacus · 23/10/2022 09:59

They are ideologically driven with no grasp on reality.

But Liz Truss, and surely you are describing her, is a Tory.

JabberwockyPie · 23/10/2022 10:05

YetAnotherSpartacus · 23/10/2022 09:59

They are ideologically driven with no grasp on reality.

But Liz Truss, and surely you are describing her, is a Tory.

Liz truss is gone. And of course there's no denying that some members of the Tory party are appalling individuals. But despite all this, Labour won't be able to sweep up. Why is this? They should be able to. But they can't. Why?

SuspiciousHedgehog · 23/10/2022 10:05

What do you want me to point out that isn't already common knowledge?

I'm not dancing to your tune, I don't care for those claims of 'floaters'

If you haven't already decided that tories are lying cheating scum, then you never will

walkingonsunshinekat · 23/10/2022 10:06

AutumnCrow · 23/10/2022 09:06

It really concerns me that among the Labour faithful, safeguarding is seen as a 'luxury belief'.

Why do you think that?

We have had 12.5 years of Conservative rule and they have consistently underfunded/mis managed the public services, this has profound effects on women & children, social services is a disaster, staff leaving, recruitment crisis and more children damaged and/or murdered

One of the latest is maternity scandals, another is 135,000 vacancies in social care, mainly women, forced out of caring roles due to low wages - women also tend to live longer than men, so yet again damaging womens rights.

Yet you wish to continue with this? because this is what will happen if the Tories win the next GE.

On Labour and TWAW, i will have to reserve judgement until i read their manifesto.

YetAnotherSpartacus · 23/10/2022 10:13

Liz truss is gone. And of course there's no denying that some members of the Tory party are appalling individuals. But despite all this, Labour won't be able to sweep up. Why is this? They should be able to. But they can't. Why?

The main point being made was that the Tories are also ideologically driven and often with no grasp on reality.