Tories are NOT on the side of women

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I know the defence of Tories here often is 'at least they know what a woman is' - and they do.

But they use that knowledge of what a woman is to make our lives worse. Over 100 Tory MPs voted against a buffer zone on abortion clinics. They know we're adult human females, who can get pregnant, and they vote to allow us to be harassed because of that.

I'm also GC, and do not believe you can change sex. Gender - sure, I don't care how anyone wants to present or what they want to be called and am happy to oblige - but some things are separated on the basis of sex and should remain that way regardless of presentation.

That said, Tories are not on the side of women, and you need to he aware of that before voting for them based on this 1 issue.

Well Mourdant is proving herself delusional over and over. Keir Starmer, as Labour Party leader is dangerous, the Tory lot are irritants. Rishi or Boris won’t stand for it.

but ultimately I wish a party would come out and stand up for womens rights and hm just state and enact the obvious that a woman is an adult human female and protect womens rights and spaces. Any other policy a government might have is irrelevant to me if my freedom is so limited im scared to go to gym, im dehumanised and I can’t even say anything, what’s the point in any of it if my simple existence is denied?

I will resolve any doubt in favour of the party that has delivered 3 female PM's

😂😂What great successes they turned out to be 😂😂

Voting for a party just because they managed a few female leaders is inane. Three female dictators ok too? Do three thick as pig shit failures get your vote as long as they are female.

Geezo - if only the suffragettes knew what their struggle came to.............

I won’t vote for any party which thinks males in womens prisons/ refuges/ changing rooms is a great plan. And which disregards safeguarding

Well if you vote Tory you are doing.
Do you think the men and women herded into asylum camps and ready to be packed off to Rwanda will have all safeguarding issues checked and secured?

Tories on here be writing walls of text rants like anyone reads em.

Face life in the wilderness, time to lear to keep your toryness to yourself, lest you enjoy being full scale ostracised

Well, that's 80% of the posters told then, hedgehog . Thanks for the heads up and I'll keep my pesky opinions to myself.
Would have thought this was a public forum, eh?

Not at all, here's a good place to safely admit it.
We can usually sift the bots from the real mums

Do tell us how. And, while we're at it, let's sift out the Labour ones as well.
Or perhaps we could stop believing that anyone who disagrees with us is part of a sinister conspiracy.

Delusional plops, I call them. They stand out like gems.
We got to see quite a few tory members in the last vote, of course the media selection was the most odd and hilarious, but few of them seemed ordinary.
Would you say you are ordinary? And if yes, do you fit in?

Sorry, too early in the morning for this high level of debate. I'll be back when the grown ups have joined us.

What percentage of everyone else do you expect to fly to your rescue?

Leaning towards delusional plopper, but I will leave it for the grown ups to judge.

Is it not possible to have a sensible conversation on here any more about the topic at hand?

Id like to talk about the subject of whether or not the Conservative Party is better for women’s rights than the Labour Party, and why, discussing the evidence for that and the agents involved.

For example, Penny Mordaunt is big news today. That’s worth discussing, as she is no friend to women’s rights or children’s safeguarding, going by her GRA reform antics.

Equally, Rosie Duffield is in the news for recognising Eddie Izzard as a male. What will Labour now do?

These are the things that matter, in my view.

Honestly this culture war is a luxury

Things have taken a sinister tirn economically for many

I know some people have missed that

Poverty hurts women more than gender ideology

There's a time and a place, I will fight the Labour Government with you on this matter.

Whether you can see beyond this issue and see that what I'm on about is a fight for body and soul survival for a huge number of us.

I am surprised that you're surprised at the lack of interest in this single issue, right now, tbh. Seems so disconnected

Labour supporters winning hearts and minds again I see. Yet are surprised and enraged that, despite being on the side of right, that the majority of posters seem to allegedly agree with them, this truth rarely extends to real world where it actually counts.

Really the state of things at the moment, labour should walk it next time, and that's what they're relying on. But they won't make it. If they came out and actually supported women, stopped the lie that men can be women, dropped the appalling plans such as misgendering being a hate crime, hell I might even consider voting for them.

But they won't. And that's why ultimately they won't get in. I don't think they really want it. If they did, they would make change to their policies. Labour are just as much to blame for all this shit, because they are not a credible opposition. And that has meant the Tories can do what they want. And labour thinks they can just walk it next time without making any real changes. And do what they want.

We're pretty fucked really. Very depressing.

I think it's the 80 seat majority, tis why they do what they want.

Hey if you would rather argue with opposition than hold government to their promises (lies) you do you. Few people are listening, anyway

They’ve had 3 female prime ministers, a lot more diverse than labour #neverlabour

If we pause on that, briefly, why are women more likely than men to live in poverty?

There is the fact men tend to earn more than women, the fact that women tend to be left with the children when relationships break down.

Both of those factors are harmed by the erosion of womens rights. Furthermore, while poverty is an issue for women, it isn’t only an issue for women and not all women live in poverty. If the choice came to it, I’d still say womens rights are more of an issue because it effects us all.

Have you just closed your eyes and stuck your fingers in your ears to the present crisis

80% predicted to be in fuel poverty by next year.

This sounds like, not even middle class, but elite interests talking.

Women's rights is far far broader than GC, in fact I believe its not a very popular view among feminists, even.

80%

Does that register for you, at all?

I honestly never hear this issue in real life. Only on Mumsnet.

I have read and read on here and it is still not an issue I can get worked up over.

Mortgages yes
Fuel yes
Nhs yes
Education yes
Lies yes

What's a woman? No

I can hold opinions on macroeconomics and the socioeconomic inequalities that disproportionately affect women & children AND be incredibly worried about the ideological and legislative mechanisms proposed that can and will further negatively affect women's rights and children's safeguarding.

I want to hold this government to account.

And I want Labour to be fully fit to govern when it takes over.

I can agree with 99% of that and still think that Labour are fitter to govern than Tories have been for some time. And are likely to become.

We'd be in the same crises whoever was in power. That's not going to be a vote winner for labour, despite the Tory party being terrible.

It’s a shame Labour add the layer of gender lies as the crises they face will leave them little room when it comes to spending anyway.

Honestly if they dumped the gender stuff and the divisive hate crime laws, actually listened to what other people wanted as well, they'd be in. I'd vote for them. They'd get the largest majority ever. But they won't.

I’d be interested in seeing them have a go against this backdrop, as I’m pretty sure the reality of what’s available re spending would be fairly crashing but reversing where we’ve got to would be too damaging.

There's no point labour supporters telling people that the gender issue and the hate crime / woke stuff isn't important. It may not be to them. But it is to others. We're going to be in financial crises and poverty for years to come whoever is in power. I'm not going to vote for additional layers to that to make life even worse for myself and my kids. That's madness. Instead of telling other voters that they're wrong, they're selfish, greedy, lazy and whatever other insults they like to throw, think about what actually would make a difference. A party for everyone rather than just some.