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To not want DD’s boyfriend’s child in my house

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crostina1 · 19/10/2022 14:27

This happened yesterday and DD doesn’t get why I am annoyed. My 17 year old DD has a new boyfriend of 22 (will call him J) who she met at work. They got together 2 months ago, and it has moved very fast. He only works 15 hours a week and doesn’t do more because of his ‘mental health’. He had a tough upbringing (DD won’t give the details) and isn’t in contact with any of his family. He has a just turned 3 year old son with an ex who he sees once evey few months. He lives in his friend’s family’s spare room but is outstaying his welcome and needs to be out by Christmas. He is making no plans for this whatsoever, I know the place they work would bite his hand off if he asked them for full-time hours, they are very understaffed and he could then he could a bedsit or rent a bedroom. But he will not consider this.

I caught on to what he was doing straight away. He came to stay over one night and stayed for 5, it was obvious he was trying to move in for free accommodation. I put my foot down and said he can only stay 1 night at a time, and no more than 1 night a week as this is our family home and we have DD’s autistic brother to think about, who is unsettled having a stranger in the home. J makes no effort with us at all. DH cooks every night and J never eats it when offered, he gets a takeaway every night, sometimes in the early hours, waking us up. I haven’t ever actually had a conversation with J, he acknowledges me with a nod when he sees me in the house and that’s it. He knows I don’t like him, he is taking advantage of my daughter. He hasn’t once taken my DD out on a date.

They were both off work yesterday. I was aware that he had been allowed a visit with his child, and that DD would be going. DD was very excited to meet his child. I didn’t agree with it, but saying anything would have been futile. I was told they were getting the train to pick him up (child lives in the next town over) going for lunch and to the park and then taking him back to his mum. I finished work early and came home at 3 and opened the door to find the child playing in my hallway, with DD sat in the living room with the door open watching him. J had gone to the shop.

DD hasn’t ever really been around young children, she would haven’t a clue what to do if he’d have had a tantrum and the child was playing next to our heater which was on full blast. I was not at all comfortable with this and read DD the riot act about how this is the first time she has met this child and that it was incredibly inappropriate for J to leave her with him. J was gone for a further half an hour. DD said they went to the park and it was closed off (don’t believe) so J thought it made sense to come here. She said J’s ex (who, I’m told was completely under the impression they WERE at the park/going for lunch and not at mine) is considering letting him have weekly contact and J wants to be able to bring him here as he can’t take him to his mate’s house. I told her in no uncertain terms, no. My house is not a contact centre. DD naively said she thought I’d like it and it’d be like having a grandchild for me.

I had her ring J, find out which shop he was in and then sent her off with the child (who had a pram, thank god as I don’t have a bloody car seat to ferry him about) to meet him so they could take him home.

DD and J don’t get what my problem is. I barely know J. What if something had happened to the child in my house under my DD’s care? In my opinion, taking the child to his new girlfriend’s house when the mother is under the impression they are at the park constitutes a form of low-level abduction, and I wanted no part in the deception.

OP posts:
crostina1 · 19/10/2022 16:33

I’m not completely convinced the child’s mother knows about DD or whether DD is lying about that and was actually hiding round the corner while J picked child up. My only doubt is that that would be risky as at 3 the child can tell his mummy that there was a girl with daddy.

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LemonDrop22 · 19/10/2022 16:35

Ponderingwindow · 19/10/2022 14:39

You shouldn’t be letting this man stay in your house at all. Your teenager is in a 2 month long relationship with a man who has 5 years more life experience, a child, and no work ethic. you may not be able to forbid the relationship, but you shouldn’t be making him coffee in the morning.

This.

This reminding me of the pregnant 16 yr old thread.

Why the fuck do people think it's appropriate to have their v young dd's bfs stay over at their at their bfs house etc.

Hope she's on an implant or you'll have baby mama 2 on your hands.

ThingsIhavelearnt · 19/10/2022 16:35

He doesn’t come over at all and she doesn’t stay out overnight

Id have a family meeting with him.

unfortunately this has lobster boy - as per a wonderful poster her who was so kind to her daughters boyfriend. It sounds like whatever you say or do he will turn the tables on you.

get counselling for her about abusive relationship and try to open her eyes before it is too late

momtoboys · 19/10/2022 16:37

This sounds just awful and you are right to set your boundaries. I, however, cannot get past the fact that you allow this man to spend the night in your home with your 17 year old daughter?

I must be a prudish dinosaur.

Nizanb · 19/10/2022 16:37

Mental health/stress is the easiest way to justify being a twat. The OP says he refuses to take medication. Well sorry, if you refuse medication then you lose the right to play the mental health card.

We aren't going to agree here. There are definitely mental health conditions where refusing help and medication are part of it. I've known someone who refused medication who ended up killing themselves, they certaintly did have a problem, you don't kill yourself if you're fine.

I think mental health is more complex than some people here know, that's all.

I also have been in treatment for years but don't feel people like that are an insult to me, personally. There are times when I don't take my medication because I am convinced I don't need it. It isn't black/white.

Thisisnotmyname2 · 19/10/2022 16:37

Lots of people advising to not let him round at all but I fear that would backfire horribly. DD might view it as mean and completely unreasonable and go on to make poor choices when op needs to keep her at home and school. (and on contraception!) It would be different if he'd never been allowed to stay round before but you can't go back on it now without lots of drama.

I would advise to stick to the boundaries you have already put in place. Once a week, no more. He cannot move in even if he becomes homeless. He cannot use your house as a contact centre and needs to take his child to the park/McDonald's. Ask what his plans are for after December when he's evicted. Be polite but make the boundaries clear.

This too shall pass as long as she doesn't get pregnant. Ask about contraception.

Mummyoflittledragon · 19/10/2022 16:38

MoltenLasagne · 19/10/2022 16:00

I had an awful boyfriend at a similar age. My parents had firm boundaries and killed with kindness.

He was allowed to come 1 night a week which my parents had to know about a minimum of 2 days in advance.

We had to have dinner with the family, during which time my parents kept asking him polite questions (this is basically when I realised he was a loser) and he was expected to help with laying the table, loading the dishwasher etc.

We were expected to socialise with the family and not just hide in my room the whole time.

He stopped wanting to come round and I started to realise he wasn't all that and things kind of fizzled.

This could work well. I also like the idea of the anonymous letter and discussing gifts, doing nice things etc.

Could you steer conversations to discuss how much things cost or get your dd involved in buying a gift for your niece’s dc for Christmas? Then when you’re in a shop that sells everything from toys to nappies, eg ‘How many hours would you have to work to buy that dd? Then there’s equipment, nappies, toys and bla bla. Babies cost a small fortune, I read it costs x amount of money a year. Wow if your bf is only earning £142.50 (minimum wage @£9.50 an hour?) in 15 hours and if he pays 12% child maintenance, that means he’s giving £17.10 to his ex a week. How far would that go? Oh look, a pack of pampers, £25.’ That sort of thing.

crostina1 · 19/10/2022 16:40

@Nizanb.

I understand what you are saying but I am not talking about mental health in general. I am talking specifically about this one man. Putting it bluntly, his MH problems and the effects on his life are NOT my problem. He is a rude, ungrateful and scheming bastard taking advantage of a 17 year old kid. My daughter is my priority.

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BananaCocktails · 19/10/2022 16:41

He Should be taking all the hours from work possible in order to find himself accommodation seeing as he will be homeless in a couple of months
He live in for free at the friends house? Because when he is kicked out he will get a huge shock at the prices of renting a room or flat , So he will probably need to increase his hours
If he does find private accommodation housing benefit or universal credit can help him pay some of the rent -make sure that he knows this so he’s not counting on you

minimalwaterdamagee · 19/10/2022 16:41

Oh my god op, what a scary thing to navigate.

What contraception is she on?

My first thought would be to offer her £200 is she'll allow you to book her the contraceptive injection and accompany her to the appointment.

Quveas · 19/10/2022 16:41

Ponderingwindow · 19/10/2022 14:39

You shouldn’t be letting this man stay in your house at all. Your teenager is in a 2 month long relationship with a man who has 5 years more life experience, a child, and no work ethic. you may not be able to forbid the relationship, but you shouldn’t be making him coffee in the morning.

I'm usually fairly relaxed, but on this occasion - no, just no. I agree that he should not be staying over, and he shouldn't be in your home when you are not there. You can't forbid a relationship, but I also think that you don't have to be anything other than clear about what you think of it and him. Your daughter needs to understand taht she will always be your child, and you can't stop her from making mistakes, but you also don't have to collaborate in them! You will always be there for her, but under your roof your rules apply. If she then moves out (where to I wonder if he's such a bum) then there isn't much you can do other than to continue to reiterate you are always there for her. But helping her make her mistakes is simply not on!

crostina1 · 19/10/2022 16:42

She’s on the pill but is forgetful and thinks the sun shines out of J’s arse and I can see her wanting a ‘family’ with him. I’ll eat my hat if she isn’t pregnant by the end of the year 😥

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Soubriquet · 19/10/2022 16:44

I like the suggestion of offering a monetary reward if she goes with you to the clinic and have an implant or coil put in

cc1997 · 19/10/2022 16:46

crostina1 · 19/10/2022 16:42

She’s on the pill but is forgetful and thinks the sun shines out of J’s arse and I can see her wanting a ‘family’ with him. I’ll eat my hat if she isn’t pregnant by the end of the year 😥

Can you ask her what is attractive about the idea of having a kid with a guy who doesn't see or pay for the kid he already has? It's disgusting!

Dweetfidilove · 19/10/2022 16:47

AffIt · 19/10/2022 15:30

I'm just trying to picture the look on my dad's face if I brought home someone like that at 17 and announced he was spending the night. There is just no way, with the expectations my family had for us to get more education than they were able to, and otherwise better ourselves, that some acquaintance of eight weeks would be moving on in, or even tolerated

Exactly this - it would NOT have been tolerated at all, not for one second. My parents' was my parents, I just lived there and while I did, an elementary level of respect was required.

Also, OP, when this massive CF woke you up the other night getting a takeaway or whatever? I would have had my dressing gown on and been in the hall in a New York minute to tell him to get the fuck out of my house.

Who on earth does he think he is and why are you and your husband - both of you presumably in at least your late 40s /early 50s - enabling this shit? Are you scared of your daughter?

As rebellious as I tried to be, I knew I couldn't try this with my parents.

And to think the fucker even gets away with disrespecting OP and her husband, in their own home - the mind boggles.

You may need to practise some love bombing of your own to pry your daughter away from this loser.

FleecyMcFleeceFace · 19/10/2022 16:47

Take her to the sexual health clinic for an STD test. These places have a way of making reality seem very real. And she honestly needs the test. :(

While there, she can talk to them about contraceptive options.

I would not let J back in the house, or her out overnight, until she was on reliable contraception. Don't make his plan easier.

Limosella · 19/10/2022 16:47

Zwicky · 19/10/2022 16:24

I wouldn’t let him across the threshold. He’s moving in by stealth. Before you know it he will have been kicked out of his mates house and have nowhere to go. He’ll just need to stop for a night, maybe 2, just until he gets sorted, just over Christmas, just until after payday. You’ll never get rid of him without being the one who kicks him out. You can’t kick him out if he’s not in. Let him in at all and you are vulnerable to letting him stay for “just one night”.

I was in a similar shitty relationship at that age . It did make me feel grown up. I really wish my family had been blunter instead of me wasting 3 years thinking his shit was ok.

All of this. Think in terms of a dog not being just for Christmas but for life and change dog for J.

Pointedly ask him every time he stays how he is getting on finding somewhere new to live and make it clear there is no room at your inn.

Should your daughter get pregnant has she thought where the baby will sleep? In her bedroom with her? Make it clear that if you have a spare bedroom it is not going to become a nursery. My Mum had that conversation with me in my teens and I was under no illusions that she meant it. It was also made clear that having a baby won't automatically get you a nice little flat. Those days have long gone.

Panama2 · 19/10/2022 16:47

How does your husband feel about the situation. Has he spoken to J or to your daughter?

I am not sure I could be as calm as you I think I would have threatened by now. Sorry not helpful i know.

AryaStarkWolf · 19/10/2022 16:47

YukoandHiro · 19/10/2022 16:22

Very good point from PP: " She'll need to be able to ditch him without losing face."

I had a cocklodger boyfriend for 3 years at uni due to my parents being absolutely rude to him and to me about him. It did the obvious thing of stopping me see through him myself. It would have been over in a year if they hadn't have got involved.

Why are you blaming your parents for your shitty relationship? :/

crostina1 · 19/10/2022 16:48

I sent her off with the pram to find J to give her a rude awakening as to what taking on the child will entail but then I was conflicted as the adult/parent as to whether I needed to take on supervising the child until J returned.

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Blueblell · 19/10/2022 16:48

Don’t blame you for wanting an end to this relationship but echo others that you have to tread very carefully so she doesn’t end up liking him more to spite you.

dont fall into the trap of making her feel sorry for him or feeling she has to defend him or the relationship.

Naunet · 19/10/2022 16:49

Nizanb · 19/10/2022 16:25

and no work ethic

I'm not saying the situation is ok, but whenever someone doesn't work more hours and they say it's due to "mental health" people always love to say things like this.

He has a child he needs to support. He shouldn’t have got his ex pregnant if his self diagnosed mental health issues mean he can’t work more than 15 hours a week. Mental health isn’t a Get Out Of Having Any Responsibility Card.

StressedToTheMaxxx · 19/10/2022 16:50

BigSandyBalls2015 · 19/10/2022 14:57

Without sound like I'm benefit bashing, which absolutely isn't my intention. I wonder if the working 15 hours a week max is to be able to claim certain benefits.

I'm not sure, perhaps, but no doubt it's at a level whereby he doesn't need to pay child support..

Tess3 · 19/10/2022 16:50

ChocFrog · 19/10/2022 14:39

J is bad news.

Ban J from your house. You don’t have to put up with this and you don’t have to be polite about it either. Your DD needs a reality check, not indulgently pretending this relationship is ok.

Tell your DD that she may like him, and that is up to her, but you dislike him, and that is up to you. Say that in your eyes he’s a creep: he’s sleeping with a teenager 5 years younger than himself, he’s already got a child but refuses to get a full time job to support that child, and negligently left that child in the care of an unfamiliar teenager in an unfamiliar house, without the permission of either the child’s mother or the house’s owner.

Tell DD that you can see she is making a mistake by being in a relationship with him and you strongly recommend she break up with him. You can’t insist she do so but you can ban someone you don’t trust or like from your house and from now on he is banned. Not allowed in over the threshold. If be doesn’t like that, he can a job and rent his own home.

☆☆☆ absolutely this ☆☆☆

FleecyMcFleeceFace · 19/10/2022 16:50

AryaStarkWolf · 19/10/2022 16:47

Why are you blaming your parents for your shitty relationship? :/

Agreed. Plenty of teens have a healthy sense of self-preservation and a working bullshit alarm. Not every teen is willing to sacrifice their health and wellbeing to point-score off their parents.

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