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To not want DD’s boyfriend’s child in my house

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crostina1 · 19/10/2022 14:27

This happened yesterday and DD doesn’t get why I am annoyed. My 17 year old DD has a new boyfriend of 22 (will call him J) who she met at work. They got together 2 months ago, and it has moved very fast. He only works 15 hours a week and doesn’t do more because of his ‘mental health’. He had a tough upbringing (DD won’t give the details) and isn’t in contact with any of his family. He has a just turned 3 year old son with an ex who he sees once evey few months. He lives in his friend’s family’s spare room but is outstaying his welcome and needs to be out by Christmas. He is making no plans for this whatsoever, I know the place they work would bite his hand off if he asked them for full-time hours, they are very understaffed and he could then he could a bedsit or rent a bedroom. But he will not consider this.

I caught on to what he was doing straight away. He came to stay over one night and stayed for 5, it was obvious he was trying to move in for free accommodation. I put my foot down and said he can only stay 1 night at a time, and no more than 1 night a week as this is our family home and we have DD’s autistic brother to think about, who is unsettled having a stranger in the home. J makes no effort with us at all. DH cooks every night and J never eats it when offered, he gets a takeaway every night, sometimes in the early hours, waking us up. I haven’t ever actually had a conversation with J, he acknowledges me with a nod when he sees me in the house and that’s it. He knows I don’t like him, he is taking advantage of my daughter. He hasn’t once taken my DD out on a date.

They were both off work yesterday. I was aware that he had been allowed a visit with his child, and that DD would be going. DD was very excited to meet his child. I didn’t agree with it, but saying anything would have been futile. I was told they were getting the train to pick him up (child lives in the next town over) going for lunch and to the park and then taking him back to his mum. I finished work early and came home at 3 and opened the door to find the child playing in my hallway, with DD sat in the living room with the door open watching him. J had gone to the shop.

DD hasn’t ever really been around young children, she would haven’t a clue what to do if he’d have had a tantrum and the child was playing next to our heater which was on full blast. I was not at all comfortable with this and read DD the riot act about how this is the first time she has met this child and that it was incredibly inappropriate for J to leave her with him. J was gone for a further half an hour. DD said they went to the park and it was closed off (don’t believe) so J thought it made sense to come here. She said J’s ex (who, I’m told was completely under the impression they WERE at the park/going for lunch and not at mine) is considering letting him have weekly contact and J wants to be able to bring him here as he can’t take him to his mate’s house. I told her in no uncertain terms, no. My house is not a contact centre. DD naively said she thought I’d like it and it’d be like having a grandchild for me.

I had her ring J, find out which shop he was in and then sent her off with the child (who had a pram, thank god as I don’t have a bloody car seat to ferry him about) to meet him so they could take him home.

DD and J don’t get what my problem is. I barely know J. What if something had happened to the child in my house under my DD’s care? In my opinion, taking the child to his new girlfriend’s house when the mother is under the impression they are at the park constitutes a form of low-level abduction, and I wanted no part in the deception.

OP posts:
ClairyFlare · 21/10/2022 14:46

YANBU to not want him in your home

However I agree with PP that you need to take a long, hard look at your parenting that’s contributed towards this.

It’s very clear your daughter is so ‘naive’ is due to being sheltered, the way you talk about her not being able to cope with a 3 year old if they had a tantrum was very telling on this part.

You mention she likes this relationship as it makes her feel grown up, and I can see why when she is 17 and seemingly treated like a young child.

She is also not innocent in all of this, you seem to be coming at this from a ‘big bad man is taking advantage of my darling little flower’ angle, whereas she is clearly also being disrespectful to you and her father by the way she just states he is coming over.

You are also potentially not all that savvy yourself, considering him leaving his child with his girlfriend as ‘abduction’ is absolutely ridiculous, hysterical even, not to mention absolutely not correct.

You sit on here moaning about him yet seem almost powerless to stand up and say ‘no, he isn’t coming over tonight’ - why is that? Do you also lack self confidence?

She is getting some emotional voids filled by this man, voids you will have contributed towards. She needs to feel empowered to make her own decisions, feel listened to, feel ‘grown’ up and most of all valued. Unfortunately in her mind he and this relationship do all of that.

My advice? Look for how you can support those needs being met outside of him. Build her confidence, acknowledge she is soon to be an adult and start thinking of how you can give her maybe some responsibility in the home to fill that need.

MemorableName · 21/10/2022 14:49

Charcy · 21/10/2022 13:25

I have honestly never heard something so ridiculous in my life. Give your head a feel ya fucking melt.

It may seem ridiculous but has a very good point. Daughter doesn’t care that he’s a feckless ruffian, lazy father, to her he’s grown-up and exiting. There is absolutely no benefit in continuing to pointing out to her that he’s not good enough. It’s irrelevant to her whether parents or strangers find him a desirable partner. It’s her that shagging him.

Important to focus on her behaviour, can’t control his. It’s only been a few weeks and is already bringing him in overnight (with permission from parents 🤯 and now uninvited) , she’s lost interest in coursework and having unprotected sex with this man and putting her health at risk, whether rich or poor, gonorrhea and pregnancy don’t discriminate.

Monsun · 21/10/2022 15:09

Through a typical 17's eyes:

  • she feels really sorry for him: MH battle, psycho ex, deprived of son, money issues, bad family/upbringing etc (I'm sure there's plenty more)
  • she's trying to 'save' him: he has done no wrong; it's not his fault all these bad things keep happening because he tells me it's not his fault (she doesn't realise everything will soon be all HER fault)
  • the inevitable question and associated heel-digging: Why is everyone attacking my relationship? I must fight harder to prove them all wrong!

Obviously it doesn't serve to attack his character or the relationship, Romeo Juliet forbidden blah blah so sabotage it instead. Starting from your current position, unfortunately since you have already allowed it, I would continue with the one night a week, but I would ruin it. Every. Single. Time. Make it unbearable for him so he ends up not staying over again.

Remember, INVASIVE PEOPLE CAN'T HANDLE INVASION.

Invade their personal space constantly. Every 5 minutes, always with a BIG smile: eg
Can you help me with this? Can you help me with that? No, we all eat together in this house. Well if you're not hungry, you WILL sit at the table with us until we're finished. Here's a cloth, dry the pots up please. The bins need putting out - off you go. Uncomfortable level 100.

Keep opening her bedroom door if she closes it / walking into her room without knocking : eg
Do you want a cup of tea? Do you want another cup of tea? Have you finished your homework? Did you want help with your homework? Don't worry I'll be back again in 10 minutes to check!! Kill that gettin jiggy vibe.

Call him out by asking outrageous uncomfortable invasive questions constantly. Say everything everyone on here is saying. Again all with a BIG smile/ lots of nods: eg
So, when are you getting your own place? Have you always been into young girls? Isn't that a bit you know peado-y? How are you planning on moving in here when you can only be here 1 day a week? Explain that to us. What's your ex girlfriends address and phone number?you know because we're going to need her permission if you were planning bring her son here...(which of course you're not) Why don't you take my daughter out on dates like her other friends boyfriends do? Why don't you buy my daughter gifts like her other friends get? Have you met any of my daughters friends yet? Let her see what she is missing.

Finally as you inevitably encounter resistance:
You're not a very polite/respectful/helpful delete as appropriate young man are you? I hope you don't speak to my daughter like that

In the meantime, as many other people on here have advised, show her what her life COULD be. Some people I know got out of unhappy relationships because they saw how happy other people they knew were who weren't even in a relationship / or had a kind partner / or chose to travel instead of being tied down / or focussed on career or hobby or charity fundraising instead...

As a last resort if all else fails: Sit her down and make her read this entire thread. That'll shine a big ol torch on the situation like nothing else!!

I hope this helped

Tiapia · 21/10/2022 15:16

ZeldaWillTellYourFortune · 21/10/2022 13:41

She's only eight weeks into this so-called "relationship." All of these heavy psychological theories are more appropriate to someone who's been mired in a coercive/abusive situation for years.

In this case she is a dependent minor living in her parents' household. They still get a say in who she associates with and where / when she works.

Nip it in the bud now.

From my former IDVA with years of expertise in this area - it can take only 4 days for coercive control to impact someone.

These ‘psychological theories’ are better at Preventing rather than a cure, because it gets a hell of a lot harder to leave once your a few kids in and your worried because of their ‘mental health issues’ and ‘no money and homelessness’ and ‘everyone abandons them’ and they guilt you into staying. Wasn’t my experience, but is many others.

It might not last and be a puppy love thing, and OPs daughter could shake him off quite easily, but this is not a normal 17 Year old relationship. It’s moving at an extremely fast pace and he is as others have mentioned putting her health at risk and sounds manipulative regarding sex. The advice on here to improve OPs daughter self esteem is a good idea, ultimately that’s the best form of prevention for even picking up with these cocklodgers in the first place whether we see it or not. There are so many red flags and bottom line is it doesn’t sound healthy. I would be giving very different advice to someone who had been a victim of an abusive situation for years. I agree with you this does need to be nipped in the bud asap though.

Not all men have to be physically violent maniacs to be abusers and cause trauma and years off of your life wasted.

crostina1 · 21/10/2022 15:27

I’ve been busy today with my autistic DS who hasn’t been well, but I will update later as I did catch J and DD last night and spoke to them.

OP posts:
MrJi · 21/10/2022 15:57

DeanVillage · 21/10/2022 10:39

This is so true.

OP is there anyone else your DD trusts? Her Aussie cousins? Could they be leaned upon to have a chat to her?

I agree with this too.

MrJi · 21/10/2022 16:09

Monsun · 21/10/2022 15:09

Through a typical 17's eyes:

  • she feels really sorry for him: MH battle, psycho ex, deprived of son, money issues, bad family/upbringing etc (I'm sure there's plenty more)
  • she's trying to 'save' him: he has done no wrong; it's not his fault all these bad things keep happening because he tells me it's not his fault (she doesn't realise everything will soon be all HER fault)
  • the inevitable question and associated heel-digging: Why is everyone attacking my relationship? I must fight harder to prove them all wrong!

Obviously it doesn't serve to attack his character or the relationship, Romeo Juliet forbidden blah blah so sabotage it instead. Starting from your current position, unfortunately since you have already allowed it, I would continue with the one night a week, but I would ruin it. Every. Single. Time. Make it unbearable for him so he ends up not staying over again.

Remember, INVASIVE PEOPLE CAN'T HANDLE INVASION.

Invade their personal space constantly. Every 5 minutes, always with a BIG smile: eg
Can you help me with this? Can you help me with that? No, we all eat together in this house. Well if you're not hungry, you WILL sit at the table with us until we're finished. Here's a cloth, dry the pots up please. The bins need putting out - off you go. Uncomfortable level 100.

Keep opening her bedroom door if she closes it / walking into her room without knocking : eg
Do you want a cup of tea? Do you want another cup of tea? Have you finished your homework? Did you want help with your homework? Don't worry I'll be back again in 10 minutes to check!! Kill that gettin jiggy vibe.

Call him out by asking outrageous uncomfortable invasive questions constantly. Say everything everyone on here is saying. Again all with a BIG smile/ lots of nods: eg
So, when are you getting your own place? Have you always been into young girls? Isn't that a bit you know peado-y? How are you planning on moving in here when you can only be here 1 day a week? Explain that to us. What's your ex girlfriends address and phone number?you know because we're going to need her permission if you were planning bring her son here...(which of course you're not) Why don't you take my daughter out on dates like her other friends boyfriends do? Why don't you buy my daughter gifts like her other friends get? Have you met any of my daughters friends yet? Let her see what she is missing.

Finally as you inevitably encounter resistance:
You're not a very polite/respectful/helpful delete as appropriate young man are you? I hope you don't speak to my daughter like that

In the meantime, as many other people on here have advised, show her what her life COULD be. Some people I know got out of unhappy relationships because they saw how happy other people they knew were who weren't even in a relationship / or had a kind partner / or chose to travel instead of being tied down / or focussed on career or hobby or charity fundraising instead...

As a last resort if all else fails: Sit her down and make her read this entire thread. That'll shine a big ol torch on the situation like nothing else!!

I hope this helped

I also agree with Monsun

maddiemookins16mum · 21/10/2022 16:20

This has got disastrous relationship written all over it.

Liorae · 21/10/2022 16:26

to her he’s grown-up and exiting
If only...😉

Mojo777 · 21/10/2022 16:28

crostina1 · 21/10/2022 15:27

I’ve been busy today with my autistic DS who hasn’t been well, but I will update later as I did catch J and DD last night and spoke to them.

Oh great stuff. 🙂 Looking forward to your update. Hope everything went as well as you hoped.

crostina1 · 21/10/2022 19:04

So I caught them when they came in. I said hi to J directly and mentioned to DD and J (though addressing J really) if they were hungry they are welcome to the frozen chicken nuggets/ chips in the freezer and that they can pop some in if they liked. I stated they should do it now if hungry so as not to disturb us in early hours. I emphasised that DS has been poorly and needs a good nights sleep. J didn’t say a word to me, barely looked at me. In an attempt to engage I asked if he was working tomorrow and DD answered for him, which I found incredibly odd. I couldn’t smell anything but he looked high. He does vape so is potentially vaping cannabis, vaping it prevents the smell. I am made to feel like an inconvenience in my own home. In the end they were in the kitchen at 2am anyway.

Today I have spoken to DD about UCAS and she is at least going to book a Saturday off in a couple of weeks to visit a uni open day with me. She’d usually be working the Saturday shift with J.

OP posts:
crostina1 · 21/10/2022 19:05

It was already 12:15am when they got in so I was already being considerate offering him food if he cooked it ASAP so everybody could go to sleep. Yet no, they left it until 2am.

OP posts:
crostina1 · 21/10/2022 19:07

As for DH’s distance in this situation, DH isn’t doing too well. He lost his brother in January and is also suffering a chronic pain issue. He had to move from his manual role in work which he enjoyed to an office based role and is miserable. I haven’t wanted to put him under stress, he cannot cope with it.

OP posts:
BadNomad · 21/10/2022 19:07

Why are you surprised? You've shown them they can do whatever they like without consequences. If they want food at 2am, they'll get food at 2am.

TheHonourableHonoriaGlossop · 21/10/2022 19:10

You should have told him to leave op. Clearly you aren't going to stop them doing whatever the fuck they like

DaughterofDawn · 21/10/2022 19:12

Honestly I’ve changed my mind. He is not respecting you in your own home. Teach him and your daughter a lesson. Ban him. If daughter wants to fuck him in the snow let her. She has a home to go home to. But he cannot go there. Fucking ridiculous.

crostina1 · 21/10/2022 19:14

In a roundabout way, I sort of hope he is using cannabis as it gives me something proper and concrete to ban him from the house. Not wanting drugs, especially with DS around

OP posts:
Runaway1 · 21/10/2022 19:17

Tell your daughter in front of him he never stays again after that little performance.

BadNomad · 21/10/2022 19:17

I also don't think it's good for your daughter to see you allowing men to disrespect you in your own home. You don't want her to think that is normal. She needs to know it's ok to have boundaries.

Runaway1 · 21/10/2022 19:18

You ban him because he woke you all up. Again. And your poor dh has chronic pain and is grieving! I’d be furious with her now, too.

EleanorLucyG · 21/10/2022 19:24

You heard them at 2am after telling them not to wake you. That was the time to go downstairs and rip them a new one and also to kick J out there and then. As others have said there's zero consequences for their bad behaviour.

DD is probably answering for him out of embarrassment that he's being rude ignoring you. She's trying to cover that up by picking up the slack for his failings, in this case answering a question. It's a disaster that she thinks it's her job to cover for his inadequacies like this.

It's the same mentality that causes her to give him money for food when he fails to earn enough (although with no rent/bills/nights out what's his wages being spent on? I suspect drugs), offer him a place to stay when he refuses to behave like an adult and secure accommodation of his own, step in as childcare when he fails to parent his DC during contact time.

She's learned that women facilitate and enable men's crap behaviour. It's what you're teaching her.

TheHonourableHonoriaGlossop · 21/10/2022 19:24

You don't need something "proper and concrete" to stop someone coming into your home that you don't want there

Newestname002 · 21/10/2022 19:24

Honestly OP you really need to be firmer and clearer here - it's not a sin not to be nice, especially as you, your home and your family are being disrespected. Put your marker in the sand right here and tell them both that this situation doesn't work for you or your poor husband and he's not welcome at your home any more. Boundaries, clear communication and consistency are needed here. 🌹

EleanorLucyG · 21/10/2022 19:25

crostina1 · 21/10/2022 19:14

In a roundabout way, I sort of hope he is using cannabis as it gives me something proper and concrete to ban him from the house. Not wanting drugs, especially with DS around

You already have something proper and concrete - his disrespect! It's a problem that you don't view that as enough of a reason

TheHonourableHonoriaGlossop · 21/10/2022 19:26

You had my total sympathy at dealing with. Difficult situation OP but now I'm beginning to think you don't really intend to do anything.
he should have been out of the door at 2am after being specifically told to be quiet although I can't believe you let him in to start with.

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