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To not want DD’s boyfriend’s child in my house

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crostina1 · 19/10/2022 14:27

This happened yesterday and DD doesn’t get why I am annoyed. My 17 year old DD has a new boyfriend of 22 (will call him J) who she met at work. They got together 2 months ago, and it has moved very fast. He only works 15 hours a week and doesn’t do more because of his ‘mental health’. He had a tough upbringing (DD won’t give the details) and isn’t in contact with any of his family. He has a just turned 3 year old son with an ex who he sees once evey few months. He lives in his friend’s family’s spare room but is outstaying his welcome and needs to be out by Christmas. He is making no plans for this whatsoever, I know the place they work would bite his hand off if he asked them for full-time hours, they are very understaffed and he could then he could a bedsit or rent a bedroom. But he will not consider this.

I caught on to what he was doing straight away. He came to stay over one night and stayed for 5, it was obvious he was trying to move in for free accommodation. I put my foot down and said he can only stay 1 night at a time, and no more than 1 night a week as this is our family home and we have DD’s autistic brother to think about, who is unsettled having a stranger in the home. J makes no effort with us at all. DH cooks every night and J never eats it when offered, he gets a takeaway every night, sometimes in the early hours, waking us up. I haven’t ever actually had a conversation with J, he acknowledges me with a nod when he sees me in the house and that’s it. He knows I don’t like him, he is taking advantage of my daughter. He hasn’t once taken my DD out on a date.

They were both off work yesterday. I was aware that he had been allowed a visit with his child, and that DD would be going. DD was very excited to meet his child. I didn’t agree with it, but saying anything would have been futile. I was told they were getting the train to pick him up (child lives in the next town over) going for lunch and to the park and then taking him back to his mum. I finished work early and came home at 3 and opened the door to find the child playing in my hallway, with DD sat in the living room with the door open watching him. J had gone to the shop.

DD hasn’t ever really been around young children, she would haven’t a clue what to do if he’d have had a tantrum and the child was playing next to our heater which was on full blast. I was not at all comfortable with this and read DD the riot act about how this is the first time she has met this child and that it was incredibly inappropriate for J to leave her with him. J was gone for a further half an hour. DD said they went to the park and it was closed off (don’t believe) so J thought it made sense to come here. She said J’s ex (who, I’m told was completely under the impression they WERE at the park/going for lunch and not at mine) is considering letting him have weekly contact and J wants to be able to bring him here as he can’t take him to his mate’s house. I told her in no uncertain terms, no. My house is not a contact centre. DD naively said she thought I’d like it and it’d be like having a grandchild for me.

I had her ring J, find out which shop he was in and then sent her off with the child (who had a pram, thank god as I don’t have a bloody car seat to ferry him about) to meet him so they could take him home.

DD and J don’t get what my problem is. I barely know J. What if something had happened to the child in my house under my DD’s care? In my opinion, taking the child to his new girlfriend’s house when the mother is under the impression they are at the park constitutes a form of low-level abduction, and I wanted no part in the deception.

OP posts:
SunshineAndFizz · 20/10/2022 23:38

God he sounds awful. You're being a great mum btw.

REignbow · 20/10/2022 23:42

@crostina1 I think as people have said that she needs to ask and not just tell you he is staying. I do think though that this is more him than her.

Tell her, that he is welcome to stay on X, that there will be no take aways as you want to get to know him more.

I know you worry that if he doesn’t stay at your house, she could be anywhere. But, he doesn’t get to dictate when he stays in your home.

QS90 · 20/10/2022 23:44

crostina1 · 20/10/2022 22:51

Just had a text from DD, he’s coming to stay tonight when they finish their shift at 12. Delightful

Never mind a take-away, has he already stayed over this week? Stand your ground and say no if so!

DdraigGoch · 20/10/2022 23:44

restingbitchface30 · 20/10/2022 21:06

I’m going to be really unpopular here but you have admitted you haven’t really had a proper conversation with him. He could have depression an/or anxiety and that’s why he seems like he isn’t trying. Just try and have a chat with him. Just nodding at someone is quite rude. He may be nervous around you as his girlfriends mum. You will push your daughter away if you don’t attempt to get to know him and his child. You don’t know his childhood, it could have been problematic.

Why should the OP care what his childhood was like? Her daughter isn't a support human for troubled young men.

Goldpaw · 20/10/2022 23:51

crostina1 · 20/10/2022 22:51

Just had a text from DD, he’s coming to stay tonight when they finish their shift at 12. Delightful

Why didn't you say it wasn't convenient?

Kennykenkencat · 20/10/2022 23:56

StrangerOnline · 20/10/2022 12:41

And forgot to say @Kennykenkencat had some great advice too (wish there was a like button here) about ‘giving J a chance’…
especially around suggesting going to GP for help with MH, and possibly getting PIP or other benefits to help with upcoming housing problem. Remind your DD occasionally that J has to sort housing out by Xmas - maybe offer to ‘help’ by looking on websites for finding bedsits/ shared house etc (also a way of underlining that he will not be welcome at yours)

Tbh I was the Dd in this scenario but it was more to do with my mother hating anyone I was friends with boy or girl. Even at primary school.
She would always say I needed to make friends because I never really had any. Possibly because I was never allowed to go out to peoples houses that she had an issue with

I once went through my whole class and she had a reason for each girl on why they were unsuitable friends.

Bf had a decent job and had qualified in a profession but was also studying for a law degree at the local college a couple of nights per week. He had a car, a nice family who were quite wealthy and took me out to dinner and all sorts of places
I still to this day I don’t know what she had against him apart from his star sign.
She couldn’t help herself in showing her hatred for him and the more she hated him the quicker things moved along. I moved in with him within 3 months of meeting him.

I often wonder if she hadn’t been so dramatic about her hatred for him whether I would have eventually moved on to someone else.

As it is bf quickly became Dh and we have been together over 40 years

Not quite the same but it was because my mother did have a problem with everyone I made friends with that made me cling on all the harder.

I have a dd. I don’t give opinions on her bfs. One that she had I thought he was a lovely lad. He worked hard and his family were lovely too but just not suitable for dd who needs someone who will go out and enjoy themselves and is up to doing some really random stuff
It took her 18 months to realise he was really quite boring.

DdraigGoch · 21/10/2022 00:03

ZeldaWillTellYourFortune · 20/10/2022 23:21

Have you considered insisting she quit that job?

Teenager working till midnight on school night? What sort of establishment is this?

From ACAS:
They can work until midnight or from 4am onwards if it's necessary in the following types of work:
- advertising
- agriculture
- a bakery
- catering
- a hospital or similar
- a hotel, pub or restaurant
- post or newspaper delivery
- retail

But this is only if:
- there are no adult workers available to do the work
- working those hours will not have a negative effect on the young person's education or training

On that last point they're on shaky ground. Indeed her education is slipping; though it's not the employer itself who are causing that, it's the CL- but no need to mention that detail.

ashitghost · 21/10/2022 00:04

Yanbu and I’m sorry he’s got his hooks into your DD. I hope she gets rid of this deadbeat for her sake and your family’s sake.

OnTheBrinkOfChange · 21/10/2022 00:11

You really need to be a lot tougher. I wouldn't let him stay overnight tonight and I wouldn't let him bring a smelly takeaway home either.

Tiapia · 21/10/2022 00:20

Others are right, you don’t want to risk alienating her.

if this was my daughter two priority things I would be doing are:

  • Request she do the freedom programme as a condition of being under your roof, this should open her eyes a bit.
  • encourage her to do a Clare’s law application to the police.

Possibly also if she felt comfortable with it accompany her to a nurse appointment to discuss long term contraception and discuss the relationship there (if she was comfortable and prewarned!!).

Or get her to speak with a local dv service/womens aid and they will talk her through some red flags and coercive behaviour starting to show through, plus wake her up to the realities of how these relationships end up.

Does she genuinely think it’s acceptable for her boyfriend to leave his child (who he barely sees?) with a stranger? Whilst breaching a court order??? A 17 year old who knows very little about the care and safety of a child? Is this what she would want for her future children? Because that’s exactly what will happen.

Best of luck OP, you’re a good mum.

Tiapia · 21/10/2022 00:26

Also, speak to her college/sixth form safeguarding lead.

bluesapphire48 · 21/10/2022 00:28

You perceptions about this man and his influence on your daughter are correct, and you are doing everything right. Ban him, make sure your daughter is on birth control, and try to make contact with the mother of his child, just so she is aware of how he is trying to dump child care on your daughter.

Namechangenumber23 · 21/10/2022 00:40

OP can make an application under Clare's Law. It doesn't have to be her DD.
"What is Clare’s Law?
Clare’s Law, or the Domestic Violence Disclosure Scheme (DVDS), means that anyone can ask the police about a partner. Also, a member of the public can ask about the partner of a close friend or family member" (this is known as the "right to ask" part of the application as a third party request whereas the person in the relationship would make a "right to know")

Carlycat · 21/10/2022 00:59

Has the thought occurred to you that you're enabling this relationship? You both need to grow some balls and start acting like responsible parents. They're both taking the piss

Pixiedust1234 · 21/10/2022 01:05

crostina1 · 20/10/2022 22:51

Just had a text from DD, he’s coming to stay tonight when they finish their shift at 12. Delightful

Text back and say not tonight.

If he appears at the door you say sorry, not tonight.

Its your fucking house. Be the adult ffs

Softplayhooray · 21/10/2022 01:34

ChocFrog · 19/10/2022 14:39

J is bad news.

Ban J from your house. You don’t have to put up with this and you don’t have to be polite about it either. Your DD needs a reality check, not indulgently pretending this relationship is ok.

Tell your DD that she may like him, and that is up to her, but you dislike him, and that is up to you. Say that in your eyes he’s a creep: he’s sleeping with a teenager 5 years younger than himself, he’s already got a child but refuses to get a full time job to support that child, and negligently left that child in the care of an unfamiliar teenager in an unfamiliar house, without the permission of either the child’s mother or the house’s owner.

Tell DD that you can see she is making a mistake by being in a relationship with him and you strongly recommend she break up with him. You can’t insist she do so but you can ban someone you don’t trust or like from your house and from now on he is banned. Not allowed in over the threshold. If be doesn’t like that, he can a job and rent his own home.

Great advice!

WalkthisWayUK · 21/10/2022 01:51

I don’t think she will be pushed closer to him if you ban him from the house. They will rebel a bit and worry you by being out, but really it’s cold outside and they will eventually have to stay in his mates house, she will see how unkempt and all over the place that is and she will start to realise what HIS life is really like. It’s doubtful they’d be in danger. The real danger is her staying with him for a while.

By letting him stay over, she never gets to see the real HIM.

I would either ban him, or drastically reduce it to once a month and be really annoying when he is here by asking him all sorts of questions and wake him up in the morning to say you don’t like strangers in the house in the daytime. It’s your house. You can do what you want.

WalkthisWayUK · 21/10/2022 01:53

Also, leaving a 3 year old with a young woman of 17 she doesn’t know is a safeguarding issue. I’d raise this with someone, phone childine.

expat101 · 21/10/2022 01:59

Carlycat · 21/10/2022 00:59

Has the thought occurred to you that you're enabling this relationship? You both need to grow some balls and start acting like responsible parents. They're both taking the piss

100% this…

at what point was he allowed to enter your daughter’s bedroom in the first instance? Why wasn’t there a very clear NO from either of you?

SemynonA · 21/10/2022 02:14

Completely in agreement with this!

I'm in the freedom program right now, and for me it's though to see all my life in those short videos.

expat101 · 21/10/2022 03:12

You both need to be at the front door (dressed, keys at the ready) when they get back. Thank J for seeing DD safely back and would he like you to give him a lift home…

there will be an outcry from DD but you need to firmly say not tonight darling and walk her straight inside while J is blocked by DH from following her in. Shut the door and let DH show him the way to the car/out.

EatAllDay · 21/10/2022 03:54

I agree with marching him on his merry way. Why doesn’t DH get more involved here? He needs to stay in the way and say NO! You are not sleeping with my child and frog march her upstairs.

just ban him. Simple as. As another poster said, your daughter will be very sick of being outdoors very quickly.

this is far far too traumatic for your family.

End It Now

Fraaahnces · 21/10/2022 04:40

Can you maybe invite his mummy over and introduce her to your DD for some home truths?

Ninniwig · 21/10/2022 05:30

We had a very similar thing happen. I don’t want to go into full detail here. A guy was basically grooming my 17 year old son, he was late 20s. I managed to intercept them coming into the house one morning, they both thought that I had gone to work. I stopped this man coming into the house and told him that I didn’t like him or his lifestyle and to go. He knew what he was doing as he waited out on the pavement for half an hour before sloping off. After explaining to my son why I didn’t like this man I told him to go to his room and have a good think about what he wanted from life. I was happy to help him move to his friends flat, grotty flat, but if he chose to leave it was his choice and not mine and his room would always be here for him should he want to change his mind. There would be a condition for staying at home and that was that he had no contact with this man again. My son chose my ‘rules’. Perhaps it would help if you gave her the choice but be prepared for your daughter’s choice if it happens to be her boyfriend. Good luck, I feel for you. x

Zwicky · 21/10/2022 07:07

Has the thought occurred to you that you're enabling this relationship? You both need to grow some balls and start acting like responsible parents. They're both taking the piss

This. I have a 17yo and a 19yo as well as 2 younger teens. My 19yo lives away at university but this is still his home. No way would they casually announce that they were bringing anyone home at midnight, even a platonic friend who I knew and liked. They would always ask and I would always feel able to say “no”, especially, if it was a weed smoking loser even if they weren’t predatory and having a sexual relationship with someone significantly “life-stage” younger. You are allowed to not like him. You are allowed to not facilitate what you are describing as abuse. You are allowed to be the parent. You have secreted your dd as naive, you need to step up. You are a grown woman with a family, a job and a home and you are pretending this wastrel is somehow in charge and simply must sleep in your house. He’s not. Your kid has known him 8 weeks. Get him out

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