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To not want DD’s boyfriend’s child in my house

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crostina1 · 19/10/2022 14:27

This happened yesterday and DD doesn’t get why I am annoyed. My 17 year old DD has a new boyfriend of 22 (will call him J) who she met at work. They got together 2 months ago, and it has moved very fast. He only works 15 hours a week and doesn’t do more because of his ‘mental health’. He had a tough upbringing (DD won’t give the details) and isn’t in contact with any of his family. He has a just turned 3 year old son with an ex who he sees once evey few months. He lives in his friend’s family’s spare room but is outstaying his welcome and needs to be out by Christmas. He is making no plans for this whatsoever, I know the place they work would bite his hand off if he asked them for full-time hours, they are very understaffed and he could then he could a bedsit or rent a bedroom. But he will not consider this.

I caught on to what he was doing straight away. He came to stay over one night and stayed for 5, it was obvious he was trying to move in for free accommodation. I put my foot down and said he can only stay 1 night at a time, and no more than 1 night a week as this is our family home and we have DD’s autistic brother to think about, who is unsettled having a stranger in the home. J makes no effort with us at all. DH cooks every night and J never eats it when offered, he gets a takeaway every night, sometimes in the early hours, waking us up. I haven’t ever actually had a conversation with J, he acknowledges me with a nod when he sees me in the house and that’s it. He knows I don’t like him, he is taking advantage of my daughter. He hasn’t once taken my DD out on a date.

They were both off work yesterday. I was aware that he had been allowed a visit with his child, and that DD would be going. DD was very excited to meet his child. I didn’t agree with it, but saying anything would have been futile. I was told they were getting the train to pick him up (child lives in the next town over) going for lunch and to the park and then taking him back to his mum. I finished work early and came home at 3 and opened the door to find the child playing in my hallway, with DD sat in the living room with the door open watching him. J had gone to the shop.

DD hasn’t ever really been around young children, she would haven’t a clue what to do if he’d have had a tantrum and the child was playing next to our heater which was on full blast. I was not at all comfortable with this and read DD the riot act about how this is the first time she has met this child and that it was incredibly inappropriate for J to leave her with him. J was gone for a further half an hour. DD said they went to the park and it was closed off (don’t believe) so J thought it made sense to come here. She said J’s ex (who, I’m told was completely under the impression they WERE at the park/going for lunch and not at mine) is considering letting him have weekly contact and J wants to be able to bring him here as he can’t take him to his mate’s house. I told her in no uncertain terms, no. My house is not a contact centre. DD naively said she thought I’d like it and it’d be like having a grandchild for me.

I had her ring J, find out which shop he was in and then sent her off with the child (who had a pram, thank god as I don’t have a bloody car seat to ferry him about) to meet him so they could take him home.

DD and J don’t get what my problem is. I barely know J. What if something had happened to the child in my house under my DD’s care? In my opinion, taking the child to his new girlfriend’s house when the mother is under the impression they are at the park constitutes a form of low-level abduction, and I wanted no part in the deception.

OP posts:
menopausalbloat · 20/10/2022 20:24

As others have said, no way would I let him in my house. You need to stop this quick smart.

MustWeDoThis · 20/10/2022 20:26

crostina1 · 19/10/2022 14:27

This happened yesterday and DD doesn’t get why I am annoyed. My 17 year old DD has a new boyfriend of 22 (will call him J) who she met at work. They got together 2 months ago, and it has moved very fast. He only works 15 hours a week and doesn’t do more because of his ‘mental health’. He had a tough upbringing (DD won’t give the details) and isn’t in contact with any of his family. He has a just turned 3 year old son with an ex who he sees once evey few months. He lives in his friend’s family’s spare room but is outstaying his welcome and needs to be out by Christmas. He is making no plans for this whatsoever, I know the place they work would bite his hand off if he asked them for full-time hours, they are very understaffed and he could then he could a bedsit or rent a bedroom. But he will not consider this.

I caught on to what he was doing straight away. He came to stay over one night and stayed for 5, it was obvious he was trying to move in for free accommodation. I put my foot down and said he can only stay 1 night at a time, and no more than 1 night a week as this is our family home and we have DD’s autistic brother to think about, who is unsettled having a stranger in the home. J makes no effort with us at all. DH cooks every night and J never eats it when offered, he gets a takeaway every night, sometimes in the early hours, waking us up. I haven’t ever actually had a conversation with J, he acknowledges me with a nod when he sees me in the house and that’s it. He knows I don’t like him, he is taking advantage of my daughter. He hasn’t once taken my DD out on a date.

They were both off work yesterday. I was aware that he had been allowed a visit with his child, and that DD would be going. DD was very excited to meet his child. I didn’t agree with it, but saying anything would have been futile. I was told they were getting the train to pick him up (child lives in the next town over) going for lunch and to the park and then taking him back to his mum. I finished work early and came home at 3 and opened the door to find the child playing in my hallway, with DD sat in the living room with the door open watching him. J had gone to the shop.

DD hasn’t ever really been around young children, she would haven’t a clue what to do if he’d have had a tantrum and the child was playing next to our heater which was on full blast. I was not at all comfortable with this and read DD the riot act about how this is the first time she has met this child and that it was incredibly inappropriate for J to leave her with him. J was gone for a further half an hour. DD said they went to the park and it was closed off (don’t believe) so J thought it made sense to come here. She said J’s ex (who, I’m told was completely under the impression they WERE at the park/going for lunch and not at mine) is considering letting him have weekly contact and J wants to be able to bring him here as he can’t take him to his mate’s house. I told her in no uncertain terms, no. My house is not a contact centre. DD naively said she thought I’d like it and it’d be like having a grandchild for me.

I had her ring J, find out which shop he was in and then sent her off with the child (who had a pram, thank god as I don’t have a bloody car seat to ferry him about) to meet him so they could take him home.

DD and J don’t get what my problem is. I barely know J. What if something had happened to the child in my house under my DD’s care? In my opinion, taking the child to his new girlfriend’s house when the mother is under the impression they are at the park constitutes a form of low-level abduction, and I wanted no part in the deception.

Your poor daughter.

She's stuck between a waster of a boyfriend (young love is blind) and a nightmare of a Mother (Parents are never innocent either!).

I had a Mother like you as a teenager. I learned for myself, like all teenagers do...because none of us learn without making the mistakes first. I didn't need her to be controlling, just to respect my choices and let me be independent and learn for myself. My Mother said the same thing to me and my now husband.

We now have amazing jobs, 3 amazing children, studying for our degrees.

I learned from my Mother's mistake. I don't make much time for her these days and my children can't really be bothered with her either. She's too passive aggressive and controlling.

So, do yourself a favour - By all means give her advice and allow her to decide on which parts she takes in, be kind, gentle, nurturing. Don't be one of these embarrassing boomers who don't understand mental health. If you want to keep your daughter, don't be aggressive and controlling...just understand and think about how you felt when you first fell in love. If you've never broken up with anyone - Lucky you.

Batshitcrazy007 · 20/10/2022 20:28

Take it from a mum who has been in this position stand firm and don’t give DD fella an inch because lazy b***ds take a mile I wish I had done this and not been suckered in with my DD Ex-prat he took her for every penny she had and when that had ran out she got pay day loans for him 😡 his family didn’t care about him blah blah blah luckily she’s with a nice guy now but I’d still ring the little pricks neck if I saw him….

MalagaNights · 20/10/2022 20:41

I have sons and I would never have allowed a 17 year old boy to have a girlfriend stay over night.
They wouldn't have asked.

My 23 year old has recently had his girlfrind stay over on a few occasions. But this is after they've been going out for a year, we know it's serious, and she is very respectful to us in our home, as is he.

I wouldn't have someone in my home who wasn't respectful to me and my family and my house, never mind let them stay over and sleep with my teenager.

Your DD is disrespecting you here expecting you to take whatever crap she chooses to do. In your home you should have your buondaries based around your values and these should be respected by others even if they disagree.

I say to my young adult children: when you have your own house you can choose how to live, while you live here there are things we would not tolerate.
I think this message also motivates them towards independence and to see financial indpendenec from us as being the real separation from us into adulthood and total autononmy.

LuckySantangelo35 · 20/10/2022 20:58

Rewis · 20/10/2022 19:25

I must have skipped this phase in my development. It's one thing to find the boy with no curfew and smoking back of the school bad boy attractive (not that I did, but I can see it). I don't think this guy even qualifies as a naughty boy and I'm pretty sure 17yo me would have ran away.

Yeah me too

not much of a job, limited prospects, an ex gf and a child, no money, etc

I would have run a mile! Even at that age I knew money was important- I wanted nice holidays in the future, and a nice house and not to have to scrimp and save, etc

so it stands to reason when op said he’s v good looking…. cos something must have attracted her daughter to him!

LuckySantangelo35 · 20/10/2022 21:01

MustWeDoThis · 20/10/2022 20:26

Your poor daughter.

She's stuck between a waster of a boyfriend (young love is blind) and a nightmare of a Mother (Parents are never innocent either!).

I had a Mother like you as a teenager. I learned for myself, like all teenagers do...because none of us learn without making the mistakes first. I didn't need her to be controlling, just to respect my choices and let me be independent and learn for myself. My Mother said the same thing to me and my now husband.

We now have amazing jobs, 3 amazing children, studying for our degrees.

I learned from my Mother's mistake. I don't make much time for her these days and my children can't really be bothered with her either. She's too passive aggressive and controlling.

So, do yourself a favour - By all means give her advice and allow her to decide on which parts she takes in, be kind, gentle, nurturing. Don't be one of these embarrassing boomers who don't understand mental health. If you want to keep your daughter, don't be aggressive and controlling...just understand and think about how you felt when you first fell in love. If you've never broken up with anyone - Lucky you.

@MustWeDoThis

“and a nightmare of a Mother (Parents are never innocent either!).”

how do you work that out?

op didn’t go out and pick this bloke! The blame for that particular thing lies solely with her daughter

LuckySantangelo35 · 20/10/2022 21:03

@MustWeDoThis

also..:
cringing for you at your use of the term ‘boomer’ …🤣

restingbitchface30 · 20/10/2022 21:06

I’m going to be really unpopular here but you have admitted you haven’t really had a proper conversation with him. He could have depression an/or anxiety and that’s why he seems like he isn’t trying. Just try and have a chat with him. Just nodding at someone is quite rude. He may be nervous around you as his girlfriends mum. You will push your daughter away if you don’t attempt to get to know him and his child. You don’t know his childhood, it could have been problematic.

LuckySantangelo35 · 20/10/2022 21:07

restingbitchface30 · 20/10/2022 21:06

I’m going to be really unpopular here but you have admitted you haven’t really had a proper conversation with him. He could have depression an/or anxiety and that’s why he seems like he isn’t trying. Just try and have a chat with him. Just nodding at someone is quite rude. He may be nervous around you as his girlfriends mum. You will push your daughter away if you don’t attempt to get to know him and his child. You don’t know his childhood, it could have been problematic.

@restingbitchface30

and?
it doesn’t excuse the way he is carrying on now does it?

ChellyT · 20/10/2022 21:20

J is a shit stain parasite! 5 years older than your DD because no woman his age would look twice at him no doubt. DD first relationship is hard bloody hell most ppls first are hard.
I too would be worried about DD falling pregnant and abandoning her studies.
OP you're being pro active and fuck me sound like you are/have ran all possible scenarios.
I like the idea of making him join in on talks about dates, travel, the future.
I sincerely hope these responses help you and your family specifically DD

TerfQueen · 20/10/2022 21:21

@ChellyT

”J is a shit stain parasite!”

🤣 I want this embroidered on a cushion

Carlycat · 20/10/2022 21:24

MalagaNights · 20/10/2022 20:41

I have sons and I would never have allowed a 17 year old boy to have a girlfriend stay over night.
They wouldn't have asked.

My 23 year old has recently had his girlfrind stay over on a few occasions. But this is after they've been going out for a year, we know it's serious, and she is very respectful to us in our home, as is he.

I wouldn't have someone in my home who wasn't respectful to me and my family and my house, never mind let them stay over and sleep with my teenager.

Your DD is disrespecting you here expecting you to take whatever crap she chooses to do. In your home you should have your buondaries based around your values and these should be respected by others even if they disagree.

I say to my young adult children: when you have your own house you can choose how to live, while you live here there are things we would not tolerate.
I think this message also motivates them towards independence and to see financial indpendenec from us as being the real separation from us into adulthood and total autononmy.

This. They're both taking the piss out of op and dh

TheHonourableHonoriaGlossop · 20/10/2022 21:48

restingbitchface30 · 20/10/2022 21:06

I’m going to be really unpopular here but you have admitted you haven’t really had a proper conversation with him. He could have depression an/or anxiety and that’s why he seems like he isn’t trying. Just try and have a chat with him. Just nodding at someone is quite rude. He may be nervous around you as his girlfriends mum. You will push your daughter away if you don’t attempt to get to know him and his child. You don’t know his childhood, it could have been problematic.

Or maybe he's just a lazy waster who has found someone to pay for him.
Plenty around.

ThankYouVeryMuchGerry · 20/10/2022 21:52

I'm so sorry you are having to put up with this.

I was 16 when I went out with a 26 yo who basically did the same thing. I thought I was so grown up and just couldn't understand why my horrible parents couldn't see how happy I was. I used to sneak out and lie to them and stay over at his room in a shared house.
I ended up pregnant and had an abortion. I ended up taking an overdose and he didn't give a shit about either of those things. Or that he was 26 going out with a 16 yo - technically, if not morally, a pedo!

On reflection, I had really low self esteem having been bullied at school, and all my friends were getting boyfriends. I couldn't see how awful the situation was, just that I had a boyfriend!

Looking back now, I wish I'd never met him, he ruined my teenage years and it took me ages to get over it. But I thought I knew everything and was too stubborn to admit to my parents or myself that they were right.

I agree with others, talk to her about what she wants out of life, and (in a nice way) - how unlikely that is if he is in her life. Get her an implant asap, and talk to her about STI's (again, experience). Talk to her about budgeting too, and about the kind of shithole she'll end up living in with him. Ask her if she is prepared to study hard so she can support him for the rest of her life. Talk to her about how people should treat others with respect and at the moment he is not treating any of you with respect, even the takeaway delivery drivers - does she really want to go out with someone that ignorant and bad manners.

I agree that you could help him with filling out the forms for when is he is made homeless.

You need to just make sure you are there to pick up the pieces if she decides to move in with him - she WILL eventually see sense, just try to get her on to contraception!

As for the mental health thing preventing work - I have diagnosed MH issues, and have to see a psychiatrist monthly and a psychologist weekly. You can't just self diagnose and say you won't take antidepressants. I manage to work despite my diagnosis, MH is not an excuse to be a loser waster.

I really hope you get this sorted. She will eventually see sense. Good luck x

PS - sorry for the long post!

MightyOaks · 20/10/2022 21:53

@MustWeDoThis So basically just leave her to it and not parent or guide her? Not even attempt to discourage her from becoming pregnant & trapped?
That's not parenting, that's emotional neglect. I genuinely feel sorry for your mother. From what you've said, you've poisoned your kids against their grandmother, just because she tried to be a caring mother.
My mother doesn't give a toss about me and hates my very existence (because I'm disabled - a whole other thread), you've no idea how fortunate you were to have a mother who loved you

MightyOaks · 20/10/2022 22:01

You know if you were in the USA OP, he would be convicted of Felony Rape as in 10 out of the 51 states (inc California, surprisingly), the age of sexual consent is 18!

Bit of a pointless post but quite eye opening really when you think about it.

LoisLane66 · 20/10/2022 22:07

If your daughter got pregnant, what then? Would you allow the CL to live with you? Would you look after baby so your DD could either work or continue her studies? How could the CL afford another child if he can't afford the one he has? I"m afraid that it's an unholy situation into which you are being dragged. Imagine having a pregnant DD and later a new baby with a lazy unmotivated CL all living in your space. Tired DD from night feeds, TV remote taken over by CL and extra work cleaning and washing and extra costs for you re enegy bills and food. You need to get rid of him now whatever your DD say. It's your home. Do it now, well before Christmas or you'll regret it +++++

J0yxPeace · 20/10/2022 22:10

He sounds a nightmare. I have been on anti depressants twice so I've had MH issues but I certainly wasn't up to trying to lock down a new girlfriend.
Totally agree that he wants somebody to make his life easier.

SemynonA · 20/10/2022 22:12

You are absolutely not unreasonable
However, please be very careful to not follow a lot of the advice given here
I have been your daughter, and I did end up spending 18 years of my life with that man, ruining my life and the ones of my children.

The way to get through to your daughter isn't by lecturing her or even showing her openly what he is.

You daughter wouldn't be with such a man if she didn't have some self-esteem issues. One part of her is aware that he is not a desirable match. Yet most of her brain is telling her that this is all she can get. It's a fear of not having love if it is not for him that keeps her with him.
If you say anything about him, she will bury further the little part of her who is aware of it, out of shame of being able to feel it that you are right and still want him and a need to avoid her own duality.

Once she starts that process, it will be very hard to get her to walk away from it.
Those men know how to prey on young insecure women, and he presented himself as someone else. He might have put pressure on her to have sex, maybe even guilt-tripped her into it by telling her some sad story.
Once he hooked her, he slowly dropped the mask and she will more and more wonder by herself if she should stay. This can be difficult to get to the point to because of the deception and what is a mistake.
Do you know how hard it can be to admit our mistakes? well, imagine when you're about to be an adult and you have to prove your parents are right how bad that would feel?
On top of that, it wasn't a mistake, she was deceived! Her own ego is bruised to not have seen it coming and it's tempting instead to bury herself further into the relationship to pretend it didn't happen. Not to mention the pain, that because of that deception she gave him access to the depth of her intimacy. Again, how tempting it is to just push further than face the truth? Especially if your parents keep showing you they are smarter than you and spotted it straight away?

What your daughter needs is to be given everything to feed her self-worth right now. Compliment her, and discuss with her her bright future.
Do not show her how you feel about him. Pretend that you want to know him. Ask to spend time with him and have a good chat. Show yourself friendly and welcoming to him. Accept the fakeness knowing that you are only biding your time and this is how to get rid of him.

Know that this is a predator, his only skill in life is manipulating, and he has more free time than you to elaborate his plans, so be careful, you are smarter, so use it, but less trained, so don't be cocky.
Know that your daughter needs to stop feeling ashamed of her 'mistake' to move on from it. If you make her feel stupid to have made that mistake she will never admit it (including to herself) and could destroy her life rather than face her own shame and hurt.

She only needs you to make her feel good about herself. If she ever had a special someone you thought was a good person and that she lost or disconnected from, bring them back.

Here are the things you need to do to save her from this predator :

  • make her feel safe and not judged, nor inferior to you by showing her that that you spotted him but she didn't
  • pretend to be friendly and welcoming with him so she doesn't feel like she is antagonising you
  • pretend to be friendly and welcoming with him so he feels safe and you can manipulate the manipulation and get ahead of him
  • highlight your daughter's beauty, intelligence, talent... and how much she could have her pick with any man. Make her feel that losing him isn't losing any chance at romance. Discuss with her what her perfect match is, but without bringing him up, so she can compare by herself in her head her perfect match to him
  • try to involve others in your plan, a potential friend of her who might be worried or that you know she has be seeing less because of her relationship and that you know is a good influence on her. Don't tell them anything about your plan, just make sure to favour their presence. If there is any possibility to invite them over that wouldn't be too weird (if you never talked with any friend of her and didn't want them home then she will sniff the manipulation), then do it.

I'm so sorry to have to tell you those things because it shouldn't have to be this way. You should be able to be honest with your daughter and that's all. Alas, your daughter cannot be honest with herself right now, not without feeling shame and hurt, not without feeling like she was a fool and gave herself to a worthless man because she felt lonely, unlovable, and bought his bullshit.

If you ever make her face that frontally she will hide so she can lick her wounds privately. But you can make her feel good enough about herself for her to face her own hurt and raise herself her own standards.

Hope this can be helpful to you. And please receive my deepest sympathies for you and your daughter to have had such individual entering your lives.

Rubyuesaini · 20/10/2022 22:16

Re her UCAS application, I would inform college what is going on in her home life in terms of reconsidering going away to uni and letting her coursework slip. I would tell them everything in case they can talk to her and if she turns to them for advice. She won't be the first student to rethink due to a relationship. She probably feels very grown up but it is the wrong type of grown up.

CPL593H · 20/10/2022 22:16

@MustWeDoThis so "these embarrassing boomers" (I wonder how many actually have 17 year olds, no idea how old the brother is) are meant to accept their teenager being ripped off financially by someone who orders takeaways in the middle of the night, disturbing the whole house and can barely bring themselves to nod at them in passing?

OP, I've read the whole thread, there is merit in many different suggestions and only you are likely to know what will work best with your daughter. I would keep the current boundary about 1 night per week absolutely firm and make it clear if the nocturnal deliveries etc don't stop, that will be under review.

Being an "embarrassing boomer" (albeit right towards the end) the idea of getting away with all this in your parents house is really alien. I think even during my most stroppy teenage period I did accept that they did have a right to determine what happened under their roof. Good luck.

GloriousGlory · 20/10/2022 22:22

restingbitchface30 · 20/10/2022 21:06

I’m going to be really unpopular here but you have admitted you haven’t really had a proper conversation with him. He could have depression an/or anxiety and that’s why he seems like he isn’t trying. Just try and have a chat with him. Just nodding at someone is quite rude. He may be nervous around you as his girlfriends mum. You will push your daughter away if you don’t attempt to get to know him and his child. You don’t know his childhood, it could have been problematic.

Not nervous enough to stay five days and not one

Not nervous enough not to order delivery's at 3am

Not nervous enough not to argue am with a delivery driver at 3 am

Not nervous enough for a lot of stuff....

But yeah "mental health issues"

This bloke is a disgrace and a disservice to people suffering genuine MH issues.

He might be why my arse! Find out where they live, you could maybe offer him a room?

J0yxPeace · 20/10/2022 22:28

I've a 19 year old and this would break my heart. I'd get your husband to have a word with J. Let him know that if your DD gets pregnant, he will still not be allowed to live with you. He won't benefit from knowing her in any financial sense. that you will continue to support her to go on to be a paramedic and continue to hope he slings his hook. Maybe he will think, ok, I need a new target.

GabriellaMontez · 20/10/2022 22:30

drkpl · 20/10/2022 20:15

He wouldn’t be allowed to stay over my house. Not even for 1 night.

This.

And as a 17 year old I wouldn't even have asked.

Good luck. It's one of my nightmares.

Manekinek0 · 20/10/2022 22:36

All these comments asking what if he does have MH problems and saying to be kind, why should that be the DDs problem? It's not her job to fix him.

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