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To not want DD’s boyfriend’s child in my house

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crostina1 · 19/10/2022 14:27

This happened yesterday and DD doesn’t get why I am annoyed. My 17 year old DD has a new boyfriend of 22 (will call him J) who she met at work. They got together 2 months ago, and it has moved very fast. He only works 15 hours a week and doesn’t do more because of his ‘mental health’. He had a tough upbringing (DD won’t give the details) and isn’t in contact with any of his family. He has a just turned 3 year old son with an ex who he sees once evey few months. He lives in his friend’s family’s spare room but is outstaying his welcome and needs to be out by Christmas. He is making no plans for this whatsoever, I know the place they work would bite his hand off if he asked them for full-time hours, they are very understaffed and he could then he could a bedsit or rent a bedroom. But he will not consider this.

I caught on to what he was doing straight away. He came to stay over one night and stayed for 5, it was obvious he was trying to move in for free accommodation. I put my foot down and said he can only stay 1 night at a time, and no more than 1 night a week as this is our family home and we have DD’s autistic brother to think about, who is unsettled having a stranger in the home. J makes no effort with us at all. DH cooks every night and J never eats it when offered, he gets a takeaway every night, sometimes in the early hours, waking us up. I haven’t ever actually had a conversation with J, he acknowledges me with a nod when he sees me in the house and that’s it. He knows I don’t like him, he is taking advantage of my daughter. He hasn’t once taken my DD out on a date.

They were both off work yesterday. I was aware that he had been allowed a visit with his child, and that DD would be going. DD was very excited to meet his child. I didn’t agree with it, but saying anything would have been futile. I was told they were getting the train to pick him up (child lives in the next town over) going for lunch and to the park and then taking him back to his mum. I finished work early and came home at 3 and opened the door to find the child playing in my hallway, with DD sat in the living room with the door open watching him. J had gone to the shop.

DD hasn’t ever really been around young children, she would haven’t a clue what to do if he’d have had a tantrum and the child was playing next to our heater which was on full blast. I was not at all comfortable with this and read DD the riot act about how this is the first time she has met this child and that it was incredibly inappropriate for J to leave her with him. J was gone for a further half an hour. DD said they went to the park and it was closed off (don’t believe) so J thought it made sense to come here. She said J’s ex (who, I’m told was completely under the impression they WERE at the park/going for lunch and not at mine) is considering letting him have weekly contact and J wants to be able to bring him here as he can’t take him to his mate’s house. I told her in no uncertain terms, no. My house is not a contact centre. DD naively said she thought I’d like it and it’d be like having a grandchild for me.

I had her ring J, find out which shop he was in and then sent her off with the child (who had a pram, thank god as I don’t have a bloody car seat to ferry him about) to meet him so they could take him home.

DD and J don’t get what my problem is. I barely know J. What if something had happened to the child in my house under my DD’s care? In my opinion, taking the child to his new girlfriend’s house when the mother is under the impression they are at the park constitutes a form of low-level abduction, and I wanted no part in the deception.

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IvyM · 20/10/2022 19:36

OP I salute you for how well you’ve handled things and you’re already getting plenty of really good advice here. When I was very young I wasted 3 years of my life with a deadbeat like J. My next relationship was with a lovely young man who took me on holidays, dates, day trips and only by comparing the 2 relationships did I realize what I had missed out on. Could you go on a holiday with your daughter? That her out on a day trip, to a nice restaurant - show her what she’s missing out on? This might be silly advice, please just ignore me if it is 😅

T1Dmama · 20/10/2022 19:39

Just my opinion …. But ….
If this man makes no effort with you, doesn’t talk to you, is so inconsiderate that he orders take out and wakes you…. Why do you allow him to sleep over at all??
I was never allowed men to sleep over at that age unless they were in the spare room… and simply if my parents didn’t like them then they didn’t stay at all…. 3 months isn’t a serious relationship & doesn’t send a very respectful message to the brother.
I’m guessing your daughter paid for the train fare, for lunch etc…
I would set some ground rules and say you expect him out of your house every night by 10pm sharp….
If this man was making an effort with your family I’d say his child coming over would be a sweet gesture, however if he can’t put in the effort to get to know his girlfriends family then bringing his child there is just a pi55 take!
I think you need ground rules, I’d never have expected to bring men home when I was 17… and 100% not their child!

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pinkyredrose · 20/10/2022 19:46

He can't afford to feed himself but turns down meals and buys takeaways?

Your DD needs to ask for her money back, teach her to stand up for herself!

A great way to suss out what kind of man he is is to say 'no' to something he wants. His reaction will speak volumes. Has your DD ever said no to any of his requests?

Does she like having an older good looking boyfriend because it makes her look good with her mates or something?

DaughterofDawn · 20/10/2022 19:47

I find his depression excuse annoying as someone who is a cold abuse survivor, is formally diagnosed with PTSD, tourette’s syndrome and used to have social anxiety and major depression. And while I was being treated for major depression and suicidal ideation I was working full time and going to university full time. I’m not saying it isn’t hard but if I can do all of those things while fighting off all of that the least he can do is work 30-40 hours a week. It’s really not that difficult.

pinkyredrose · 20/10/2022 19:47

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Lol! Nice try.

MrsTumblebee · 20/10/2022 19:49

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Polly, maybe the lad you’ve posted about could get in touch with the DD’s boyfriend and give him a few tips on how to improve on his life despite a supposed bad start in life that probably isn’t true.

crostina1 · 20/10/2022 19:51

@polly3diesel.

Oh do fuck off. He’s taking my daughter for a ride.

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Helpmeheal · 20/10/2022 19:51

Gosh what a hideous situation. It brings back a lot of memories of when I was 17 and dating a 21year old. My first love or 'infatuation' I suppose. I was besotted. I thought I was so grown up. He worked full time, he wasn't a loser cocklodger but he certainly wasn't marriage material! I obviously would do anything for him. Sneaking out etc. God I regret what I put my parents through. I dropped out of sixth form as I wanted to work and be all grown up just like him. Thankfully he dumped me! I was heartbroken. But thank f he did.
I don't know what it'll take for your daughter to realise he is a wrong'un. Hopefully not a pregnancy. Seeing her mates having fun at uni might be a wake up call. That's what did it for me. I finished my a levels and went a bit later at 19. Thank god he broke up with me! He wrote me a letter about 5yrs later and put it through my parents door saying he still thinks of me... by that point Id changed and realised what a loser he was. I so hope your daughter comes to her senses soon, if she has good friends & family around her she will hopefully.

DaughterofDawn · 20/10/2022 19:52

crostina1 · 20/10/2022 19:51

@polly3diesel.

Oh do fuck off. He’s taking my daughter for a ride.

maybe polly is the boyfriend. 😂

ScoobyBooby · 20/10/2022 19:53

SpacePotato · 19/10/2022 15:52

TBH I'd be telling him straight that I know exactly what he is up to because as a grown up I can see right through his bullshit.
I'd also be telling him he's a creepy fucker preying on a naive 17 year old and if a baby happened I wouldn't be supporting either of them.

Speak to your DD about red flags. It's the same script. The crazy ex, him just wanting a bed to sleep in and that she was an easy target.
Ask her what she honestly thinks her future would be like with a mentally ill man who refuses to work more, even to support his own child.
Tell her that in a couple of years she will be the ex girlfriend stuck on her own with a baby whilst he fucks off and does the same shit to someone else.

I would tell her if she is daft enough to actively get pregnant to this absolute waster then she will be living elsewhere with no support.
How would she cope financially with that?

Lastly, there is not a chance he would set foot in my house ever again.

This a million times over !!

crostina1 · 20/10/2022 19:54

I’ve been on MN (my first post under this NC) long enough to know that poster is a MRA

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Hermione101 · 20/10/2022 19:55

crostina1 · 20/10/2022 19:51

@polly3diesel.

Oh do fuck off. He’s taking my daughter for a ride.

👏 👏 👏

seriously @polly3diesel What a stupid thing to write.

Abouttoblow · 20/10/2022 19:55

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Have you written this fairy tale as part of a GCSE course?

Isaidnoalready · 20/10/2022 19:57

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Perhaps you should look after your child yourself and not dump it on your girlf and fuck off out

Have you actually tried to be friendly? Perhaps acting like a responsible adult instead of a cockwomble would help

DaughterofDawn · 20/10/2022 19:59

Abouttoblow · 20/10/2022 19:55

Have you written this fairy tale as part of a GCSE course?

The best part of the fairy tale is when the 17 year old ends up paying the rent and bills while he gets comfortable and quits his job. Then when she gets pregnant and starts asking the big questions like “are you going to support us when i go on maternity leave?” he has a suddenly has better things to do and starts couch surfing at someone else’s place.

GloriousGlory · 20/10/2022 19:59

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You need to eat less takeaways and sleep normal not ordering food at 3am, you may find that you can work full time hours. Your unhealthy lifestyle is causing you issues.

You also have one child, so to avoid another use condoms and encourage your DG to get a reliable form of contraception like the implant.

batshitballs · 20/10/2022 20:03

Sounds like you're doing all the right things. As a mother; this is my worst nightmare

As a teenager, i had a BF like this. I bet J is doing his best to alienate her from her mates and family. He will he chipping away at her self
Esteem. Trying to quash her independence

What do her friends think of him? I bet they think he's a loser. Can you encourage her to mix w friends more? Invite them round

Keep her close: close close. You have to remain a strong influence ajd ensure he doesn't wear her down

Keep him close too. I know he sounds repulsive but try and include him
In family stuff

GUARDIAN1 · 20/10/2022 20:05

YANBU

I would be very clear with DD that her bf is disrespecting her, you and your home by his behaviour. I would not permit anyone in my home who couldn't be bothered to have a conversation with me.

Try to pick a time when both you and DD are calm, and try not to become irate. Acknowledge she is a young woman who can make decisions about her relationships but tell her as her parent you also have to look out for her as much as you can.

Explain you will be delighted to welcome grandchildren when she has children of her own (and there's a further discussion to be had about stability in a relationship, maturity and the capacity to provide materially before having children).

It's a very tricky situation as you'll want to avoid alienating your DD, but as the adult, as her parent and as the person responsible for the home, you should decide on your 'bottom line' and stick to it.

PrincessBride999 · 20/10/2022 20:08

I wouldn't have him in my house at all. He can't even thank you for speak to you. I'd worry if I didn't let him stay my daughter would disappear with him but I still wouldn't let him stay and when he did come over I'd make him feel totally unwelcome. Speak to your daughter frankly ,with understanding and love because she has to end this now before he ruins her life which he will if they stay together. His poor little boy to, really hope it works out

drkpl · 20/10/2022 20:15

He wouldn’t be allowed to stay over my house. Not even for 1 night.

bouncydog · 20/10/2022 20:19

@crostina1 you are doing an amazing job and your daughter is very lucky to have you. Lots of individuals would be so grateful to have such caring parents. My suggestion would be to contact your brother an suggest he might drop into conversation with his family over dinner that it would be great to see your DD before she goes off to Uni. He could maybe get his children excited over the idea without actually letting on about the awful boyfriend? That way, hopefully, the cousins could engage with your daughter and hopefully encourage her to to go. Our DD’s first boyfriend that we knew about she met at Uni and he came to stay. They shared her room which my elderly mother was quite shocked at but we took the view that it was inappropriate to impose house rules as she was an adult (nearly 19). However the lad was nice, treated her well and was respectful. However, your situation is very different and I agree with others that I would put a stop to it and insist he left by 11.00 and couldn’t sleep over. (I would add that if ever we had been unfortunate to be put in your position my DH would have put the lad straight about his attitude and told him he wasn’t welcome until he manned up to his responsibilities as a parent and got himself a proper job and paid his way - not to us but taxis etc)! I wish you luck.

MalagaNights · 20/10/2022 20:24

It feels to me like we've really lost touch with common sense when it seems acceptable to have men who can't support themselves, and who have children with someone else, stay over with a teenage daughter in her parents house.

The role of parents is to put boundaries in place and say: no we don't accept this as reasonable and we will not have it in our home.

It's like we 've lost the ability to make any judgement around morality so anything goes.

I think we were much better off in the days when parents didn't let loser men sleep over with their teenage daughters in their homes.

OP I'd advise hold your boundaries firm. Yes she may kick hard against them and that's tough to go through, there'll be drama and a few nail biting nights, but the messages she'll learn about what is an acceptable and what is not an accaptable way to live will stay with her throughout adulthood.

T1Dmama · 20/10/2022 20:24

Not knowing what court orders say it’s difficult to comment on the ‘abduction’ side of things… I know my friends ex husbands pick up and drop off at a set time and she has pretty much no say over what he does with them during his visitation times.
If there’s court orders in place and he’s breaching them… by bringing the child to your house your daughter is involving you… so you now have a duty of care (and possibly as it’s a child you may have a legal obligation) to report any breaches that may put the child in danger

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