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To not want DD’s boyfriend’s child in my house

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crostina1 · 19/10/2022 14:27

This happened yesterday and DD doesn’t get why I am annoyed. My 17 year old DD has a new boyfriend of 22 (will call him J) who she met at work. They got together 2 months ago, and it has moved very fast. He only works 15 hours a week and doesn’t do more because of his ‘mental health’. He had a tough upbringing (DD won’t give the details) and isn’t in contact with any of his family. He has a just turned 3 year old son with an ex who he sees once evey few months. He lives in his friend’s family’s spare room but is outstaying his welcome and needs to be out by Christmas. He is making no plans for this whatsoever, I know the place they work would bite his hand off if he asked them for full-time hours, they are very understaffed and he could then he could a bedsit or rent a bedroom. But he will not consider this.

I caught on to what he was doing straight away. He came to stay over one night and stayed for 5, it was obvious he was trying to move in for free accommodation. I put my foot down and said he can only stay 1 night at a time, and no more than 1 night a week as this is our family home and we have DD’s autistic brother to think about, who is unsettled having a stranger in the home. J makes no effort with us at all. DH cooks every night and J never eats it when offered, he gets a takeaway every night, sometimes in the early hours, waking us up. I haven’t ever actually had a conversation with J, he acknowledges me with a nod when he sees me in the house and that’s it. He knows I don’t like him, he is taking advantage of my daughter. He hasn’t once taken my DD out on a date.

They were both off work yesterday. I was aware that he had been allowed a visit with his child, and that DD would be going. DD was very excited to meet his child. I didn’t agree with it, but saying anything would have been futile. I was told they were getting the train to pick him up (child lives in the next town over) going for lunch and to the park and then taking him back to his mum. I finished work early and came home at 3 and opened the door to find the child playing in my hallway, with DD sat in the living room with the door open watching him. J had gone to the shop.

DD hasn’t ever really been around young children, she would haven’t a clue what to do if he’d have had a tantrum and the child was playing next to our heater which was on full blast. I was not at all comfortable with this and read DD the riot act about how this is the first time she has met this child and that it was incredibly inappropriate for J to leave her with him. J was gone for a further half an hour. DD said they went to the park and it was closed off (don’t believe) so J thought it made sense to come here. She said J’s ex (who, I’m told was completely under the impression they WERE at the park/going for lunch and not at mine) is considering letting him have weekly contact and J wants to be able to bring him here as he can’t take him to his mate’s house. I told her in no uncertain terms, no. My house is not a contact centre. DD naively said she thought I’d like it and it’d be like having a grandchild for me.

I had her ring J, find out which shop he was in and then sent her off with the child (who had a pram, thank god as I don’t have a bloody car seat to ferry him about) to meet him so they could take him home.

DD and J don’t get what my problem is. I barely know J. What if something had happened to the child in my house under my DD’s care? In my opinion, taking the child to his new girlfriend’s house when the mother is under the impression they are at the park constitutes a form of low-level abduction, and I wanted no part in the deception.

OP posts:
BoneTiredMother · 20/10/2022 18:56

Get him out. But why is this man staying over in your home with your child of 17 and after eight weeks?

Mumoblue · 20/10/2022 18:59

Astonishing that she can’t see what a loser he is. That must be so frustrating. I’d be tearing my hair out, and I don’t think I’d be able to be civil.

“Oh, his ex is crazy and he can’t send money to her bc she’ll spend it on herself? Hmmm never heard that before. Oh but she’s sane enough to take care of the baby. Oh and he just HAD to leave you with the baby and fuck off. And he just HAPPENED to latch onto a teenager despite being in his twenties. Hmm.”

Its so cliche. Hope your daughter sees sense soon!

Fingeronthebutton · 20/10/2022 19:00

Luckysantangelo
Dont you remember being 17. Naughty boys are very attractive. Especially if you’ve come from a home where you have never come into contact with these type of people. It’s exciting, till it goes tits and you havnt leant the skills to get out of it.

crostina1 · 20/10/2022 19:01

@LuckySantangelo35

He is a very physically attractive lad and that’s what drew DD to him

OP posts:
woodhill · 20/10/2022 19:02

Fingeronthebutton · 20/10/2022 19:00

Luckysantangelo
Dont you remember being 17. Naughty boys are very attractive. Especially if you’ve come from a home where you have never come into contact with these type of people. It’s exciting, till it goes tits and you havnt leant the skills to get out of it.

I'd agree with that and have a different background to you

Also need your care as they are usually troubled souls Confused

LadyGaGasPokerFace · 20/10/2022 19:03

17 and naive. She’s going to balls up her life with this loser. He shouldn’t be staying over let alone use your house for childcare.
I do wonder what he’s done for the mum to side with the dc dm.

ZeldaWillTellYourFortune · 20/10/2022 19:04

BoneTiredMother · 20/10/2022 18:56

Get him out. But why is this man staying over in your home with your child of 17 and after eight weeks?

This is what i can't get over. She barely knows him and he's spending the night under her parents' roof? How does this happen.

My da would have told him to jog on and leave me alone, and dad's brothers would have backed him up if necessary.

Prettypenelope · 20/10/2022 19:04

I hate to be the one to suggest this, but I hope he is not planning to get your young and naive daughter pregnant. J would guess that in those circumstances you would find it hard to turn him away if it also meant turning her away, as she would very likely want to be with him even more so in those circumstances. A conversation should definitely take place between you and your daughter regarding contraception. I'm so sorry you find yourself in this nightmarish situation.

MatronicO6 · 20/10/2022 19:05

Sorry OP, just read your other posts. Think you could be onto a winner by comparing her relationship to others!!!

I would do it consistently. I would repeatedly point out the lovely things they are doing with their boyfriend's and ask 'when is J going to take you there? When is he going to treat you to that? I would make comments about how he probably can't do x, y or z cos of money or the fact he has a child. I'd say 'shame, you never get to do nice things'

Perhaps this will lead to her nagging him. BTW I have never heard the term 'cocklodger' and I am very grateful you introduced me to it. Hope he pisses of soon!

DdraigGoch · 20/10/2022 19:05

crostina1 · 20/10/2022 16:12

But basically he told DD that his son had Covid and he was upset because couldn’t afford to visit, so DD gave him £30 for a taxi. Then suddenly once he’d got the money said he couldn’t go anyway as ex would kick off.

And of course if the child really did have covid, then seeing him wouldn't be a good idea anyway.

Bigbadfish · 20/10/2022 19:07

Obki · 20/10/2022 13:52

@ThingsIhavelearnt @Bigbadfish i used to be on the LB threads a lot but lost them!

Any chance you could message me a link?

I have tried to PM you but it won’t work for some reason.

It's the estrangement series. She isn't a regular poster but cropped up now and again. The daughter is still with him and its just awful.

ZeldaWillTellYourFortune · 20/10/2022 19:10

crostina1 · 20/10/2022 18:03

So, elaborating on the £30 after further speaking to DD:

  1. DD works 25 hours a week on £9 so makes a nice little bit for her age.
  2. The child lives in the next town over and we are quite a rural reigon anyway so there isn’t really a bus, it’s a train which he doesn’t like to use. Admittedly the trains are shite but tough luck. If you can’t afford taxis you use them, everybody here has to until they can drive and he can’t be arsed learning to do that either.
  3. After saying he wasn’t visiting the child he went on about how he can’t even afford to feed himself bla bla bla hence DD not feeling comfortable asking for it back

He's mooching food money off a teenager he barely knows.

And she thinks that is OK?

What does she think his future holds?

DuckbilledSplatterPuff · 20/10/2022 19:13

I think the recent late night take away incident is a good excuse to say its not working. Is there anyway that you can take him to one side (without your daughter) and tell him he is NEVER going to live in your house. He acts like you don't exist.

Take DD out and spoil her - a girl's treat. Don't mention the BF at all. Just talk to her about anything that is not nagging. Really build and encourage your relationship with her, so that she feels she can talk to you. E.g. Can you set up a regular cinema trip for e.g. .. Less time spent with him and a contrast with BF not taking her anywhere. She might see other couples dating.
Re Uni. They get five choices I think. Encourage her to apply to all, including the local one. Go to the open days for the fab city one.. maybe even stay overnight and go out together. Anything so that she can see she has a bright future ahead of her and exciting times to be had. All to contrast without you saying anything, with the dull self obsessed BF.

Seagull97 · 20/10/2022 19:15

Seriously? You let this waster stay over in your house? My daughter is also 17 and she is definitely not allowed to have her boyfriend stay over. She wouldn’t even ask because the answer would be NO. As for allowing a 22 yo without a job or a roof to slime his way into your house and bring a toddler… not in a million years. That’s your home, your safe place, you don’t even know this slimeball. Tell him to sling his hook.

EleanorLucyG · 20/10/2022 19:18

J has already moved in. He might not stay over often but when he's there he treats the place like his home and does whatever he likes. He doesn't behave like the guest that he is. You're being too nice, I'd pull him up on his inconsiderate behaviour eg waking you up, bringing his child over etc. If he's in your house it should be to spend time with your DD and he should fit in with her family's lifestyle. At the moment she's acting like she has equal standing in deciding what happens in the house (eg who stays) and as a consequence he's treating you like you're her housemates! And you're letting them both behave like this.

Remind your DD the child's contact time is to spend building a relationship with his father, not to be palmed off onto the nearest female because his father CBA to look after him, which is the real reason he went to hang out with his mates up the shop.

I'd have a conversation with her about her aims in life especially regards children and try to steer her in the direction of contraception she can forget about. Since she does forget to take the pill it's not appropriate for her.

Even if DD gets pregnant, do not let this cockroach live with you or hang out at your house! He'd be an absent father so he can take the child elsewhere for his contact time, like every other absent father does. Your DD won't get a council flat if you don't make her homeless and if neither of them is working full time (don't you provide childcare to facilitate it) they won't be able to rent anything privately. If she can't play happy families with him and he can't use her for a place to stay, it'll fizzle out. Then you'll get your DD back and she'd get her life back, albeit with a child in tow.

Givemestrength2020 · 20/10/2022 19:22

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MrsTumblebee · 20/10/2022 19:23

Op, you’re a great mum and have a fabulous insight to how people work. You know exactly who and what this bozo is. Tell him today there are no more sleepovers, no visits, nothing. I doubt very much he’ll take you on and I think your daughter will probably be very relieved.

Baby786 · 20/10/2022 19:24

It’s your choice who you want in your house but please remember that the 3 year old child is innocent in all this. Sometimes he will be around with his dad & dad’s partner, in other people’s homes.
The part about ordering takeaways doesn’t seem worrying - I think the boyfriend is trying not to rely on you for food.
The part about him staying over is what you don’t agree with, that is what you will have to sort out.

1dontunderstand · 20/10/2022 19:25

Tell your dd that yes, your family is too good for him. He’s a waste of space deadbeat dad. That you want for her to have what her friends have, loving relationships with partners that take them in dates.
ask her how she sees her future with this man?
Say that he is not welcome in your home for the above reasons, plus the fact that he orders takeaways that she is obviously paying for, waking you up and not making any effort with you or her dad. You are facilitating this relationship by letting in your house.

tell her your worries, that he isn’t looking for somewhere to live because he wants to move in with your dd. That he is going to push her for unprotected sex and she will fall pregnant. That she is giving him money.
can she look into coercive control or into how domestic abuse situations start?

Also, point out to your dd that what business is it if his if his ex gets her nails done when he gives her money? Does she feed and clothe their child 365 days if the year, maybe the only time she gets to treat herself is when he finally puts his hand in his pocket for his child.

unfortunately, she needs to make her own mistakes. You need her to know you will never accept him but will always be there for her.

Rewis · 20/10/2022 19:25

Fingeronthebutton · 20/10/2022 19:00

Luckysantangelo
Dont you remember being 17. Naughty boys are very attractive. Especially if you’ve come from a home where you have never come into contact with these type of people. It’s exciting, till it goes tits and you havnt leant the skills to get out of it.

I must have skipped this phase in my development. It's one thing to find the boy with no curfew and smoking back of the school bad boy attractive (not that I did, but I can see it). I don't think this guy even qualifies as a naughty boy and I'm pretty sure 17yo me would have ran away.

cherish123 · 20/10/2022 19:25

YANBU
be careful how you word it as it may push DD away. BF sounds like bad news. I think he's definitely trying to move in. Could you take DD on holiday to forget him ?

Thereisnolight · 20/10/2022 19:27

He probably is trying to move in. He has no home or family - probably never did. He’ll have no idea how families work or how to behave. He’s not good for your DD clearly but some of the language here is unnecessary. But I hope she doesn’t get pregnant by him.

blubberyboo · 20/10/2022 19:31

I think you need to try and open her eyes to the life of single mums and what the child’s mother must be going through.
say things in general chat like “I hope that lady manages to have enough money for heating and food for herself and the child with the current price rises”
”does she have enough money to live on?”
” What is the child getting from Santa? .. a child needs about £300 spent from Santa is J helping her with this?” “Has he bought the child new shoes lately?” Etc etc

Show her the cost of running a home and a child
talk about other children in the family and what this costs etc.

but you and your husband need to have strong words with him. Say clearly that whilst he can come and visit once a week he cannot stay over anymore due to the sons autism and that he will never be able to move in.

crostina1 · 20/10/2022 19:33

A close friend of mine was royally fucked over by a cocklodger during lockdown. DD knows of the situation as she was here when my friend was over crying on my shoulder. I tried comparing J to him but of course, J is different according to DD.

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Yespresh · 20/10/2022 19:36

I hope you read this OP. My DD has put us through hell. She is now nearly 24 and we have come full circle with her. She is now home, studying and happy and nice to us.

This is the route I suggest you go down if DD wants him to stay at yours the answer is yes. I know you hate him but believe me she’ll get sick of him soon.

He can stay at yours. The terms are simple, he gets a job for 40 hours a week, he is quiet between 10pm and 8am. He doesnt take drugs or offer to your daughter. He pays £75 a week towards his keep and your daughter keeps up her schooling. If he gets your DD pregnant he will leave. Simple rules.

Write it down.

Our 18 year old daughter’s BF moved in on various terms. He paid the £75 three times and not the fourth. DD came to us to say she didnt want him at home anymore and we got shot of him. The initial excitement wore off very quickly.

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