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To not want DD’s boyfriend’s child in my house

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crostina1 · 19/10/2022 14:27

This happened yesterday and DD doesn’t get why I am annoyed. My 17 year old DD has a new boyfriend of 22 (will call him J) who she met at work. They got together 2 months ago, and it has moved very fast. He only works 15 hours a week and doesn’t do more because of his ‘mental health’. He had a tough upbringing (DD won’t give the details) and isn’t in contact with any of his family. He has a just turned 3 year old son with an ex who he sees once evey few months. He lives in his friend’s family’s spare room but is outstaying his welcome and needs to be out by Christmas. He is making no plans for this whatsoever, I know the place they work would bite his hand off if he asked them for full-time hours, they are very understaffed and he could then he could a bedsit or rent a bedroom. But he will not consider this.

I caught on to what he was doing straight away. He came to stay over one night and stayed for 5, it was obvious he was trying to move in for free accommodation. I put my foot down and said he can only stay 1 night at a time, and no more than 1 night a week as this is our family home and we have DD’s autistic brother to think about, who is unsettled having a stranger in the home. J makes no effort with us at all. DH cooks every night and J never eats it when offered, he gets a takeaway every night, sometimes in the early hours, waking us up. I haven’t ever actually had a conversation with J, he acknowledges me with a nod when he sees me in the house and that’s it. He knows I don’t like him, he is taking advantage of my daughter. He hasn’t once taken my DD out on a date.

They were both off work yesterday. I was aware that he had been allowed a visit with his child, and that DD would be going. DD was very excited to meet his child. I didn’t agree with it, but saying anything would have been futile. I was told they were getting the train to pick him up (child lives in the next town over) going for lunch and to the park and then taking him back to his mum. I finished work early and came home at 3 and opened the door to find the child playing in my hallway, with DD sat in the living room with the door open watching him. J had gone to the shop.

DD hasn’t ever really been around young children, she would haven’t a clue what to do if he’d have had a tantrum and the child was playing next to our heater which was on full blast. I was not at all comfortable with this and read DD the riot act about how this is the first time she has met this child and that it was incredibly inappropriate for J to leave her with him. J was gone for a further half an hour. DD said they went to the park and it was closed off (don’t believe) so J thought it made sense to come here. She said J’s ex (who, I’m told was completely under the impression they WERE at the park/going for lunch and not at mine) is considering letting him have weekly contact and J wants to be able to bring him here as he can’t take him to his mate’s house. I told her in no uncertain terms, no. My house is not a contact centre. DD naively said she thought I’d like it and it’d be like having a grandchild for me.

I had her ring J, find out which shop he was in and then sent her off with the child (who had a pram, thank god as I don’t have a bloody car seat to ferry him about) to meet him so they could take him home.

DD and J don’t get what my problem is. I barely know J. What if something had happened to the child in my house under my DD’s care? In my opinion, taking the child to his new girlfriend’s house when the mother is under the impression they are at the park constitutes a form of low-level abduction, and I wanted no part in the deception.

OP posts:
Goldencarp · 20/10/2022 13:13

Just ban him from your house. There’s no way I’d let my 17 year old have a boyfriend to stay that she had only known a couple of months. They are both taking the piss.

he’ll be moved in in no time if you don’t put your foot down now.

DdraigGoch · 20/10/2022 13:19

FistFullOfRegrets · 20/10/2022 10:32

@crostina1
clearly you just want an echo chamber.

the child wasn't illegally removed from her parents.

so what WEIRD interpretation of 'Abduction' are you using???

I wouldn't have termed it "abduction" but it's received wisdom on here that a child ought not to even meet (let alone be left in the sole charge of) their parent's new partner until the relationship has been steady for at least a year.

I'm sure that the OP's daughter is no murderer but how many times do you hear of children horrifically abused by mum's latest new boyfriend?

Quite apart from the issue of leaving the child in the sole care of a naive and inexperienced 17 year old who the father hardly knows.

This man doesn't care about his child, he's just using the kid as a prop to get what he wants.

ChiefWiggumsBoy · 20/10/2022 13:20

billy1966 · 20/10/2022 11:35

I completely agree with you @Obki, he left the child with a child.

I would absolutely be reporting him.
That child's mother is entitled to know he left her child with a 17 year old child that has no experience of children and her mother was deeply unhappy about it and told her to leave and go and find him.

To not to do so is complicity.
The OP can check with SS or 101 if she is unsure.

The mother might not like it - but what exactly are you expecting here? A three year old was left with a 17 year old. That’s not illegal, it’s not even particularly unusual. Plenty of 17 year olds babysit.

How would you word this - “the father of my child let our son be babysat for an hour while he went to the shops, I don’t think this is appropriate”? Come on now, we at least have to be realistic!

YukoandHiro · 20/10/2022 13:24

@LuckySantangelo35 I said I didn't! Read the whole thread

MightyOaks · 20/10/2022 13:37

crostina1 · 19/10/2022 15:13

He has taken the child somewhere without the mums permission by means of deception. That is abduction even if he did take the child back. He has court and contact orders that he has breeched. DD has said the mum would never have allowed it if she’d have known (and who can blame her, my DD is a 17 year old girl so relatively harmless but from her perspective anybody could be living in my house) and she was reluctant enough for DD to be present taking him to the park.

Unfortunately no it isn't in the eyes of the law. Unless there's a court order in place, as he is the father providing his name is on the birth certificate, he could simply not return the child to mum and the police can do NOTHING about it. You'll call me wrong of course as many people struggle to believe it but it's fact. The mother would have to go to court to get her child back. 100% fact

MightyOaks · 20/10/2022 13:40

And... even if there IS court order in place, provided he returns the child at the agreed time, he can take the child wherever he wants. The mother does NOT have to agree to it! Sickening but true

Bekindnotarsey · 20/10/2022 13:41

To the OP any updates to this situation, how are things?

Obki · 20/10/2022 13:52

Bigbadfish · 20/10/2022 12:49

That poster is now on Gransnet. OP it got so much worse than you could ever imagine. He's put 3 kids in her and now has total control. Seeing it all play out is horrific.

@ThingsIhavelearnt @Bigbadfish i used to be on the LB threads a lot but lost them!

Any chance you could message me a link?

I have tried to PM you but it won’t work for some reason.

LongStoryShorty · 20/10/2022 14:15

I am so surprised you are allowing your DD to date this man.

when I think back to being 17, yes I was a handful but my mother certainly had strong discipline. I was always home by 23/midnight and if she hadn’t liked my boyfriend I wouldn’t have been able to date him. She did watch my friends etc and encouraged friendships with people who were hardworking etc rather than bimbo girls. At 17 she is very reliable still on you. Once she goes to uni/ moves out you won’t really get a say anymore.

sounds like your dd is more independent than I was at that age since she’s working.

there’s no way I or my husband would allow DD at 17 to date a man like that. I would move towns if I had to. I think sending her to Australia is a good idea, she might meet a nice Australian boy, at least see what else is out there and just clear her head. Get new perspective. Tell her it’s just a few weeks won’t change anything for the relationship

LongStoryShorty · 20/10/2022 14:33

Another thing I would try is to get your daughter a new job. At 17 I don’t know if she’s allowed to work without your permission.

Panicwiththebisto · 20/10/2022 14:46

Can’t your DH have a “man to man talk” and tell “J” that if he is counting on getting your DD pregnant he will never be moving in and will also be expected to fully contribute financially.

billy1966 · 20/10/2022 15:09

ChiefWiggumsBoy · 20/10/2022 13:20

The mother might not like it - but what exactly are you expecting here? A three year old was left with a 17 year old. That’s not illegal, it’s not even particularly unusual. Plenty of 17 year olds babysit.

How would you word this - “the father of my child let our son be babysat for an hour while he went to the shops, I don’t think this is appropriate”? Come on now, we at least have to be realistic!

I think if the OP was to say to police/SS how deeply unhappy she was at finding a child in her house, whose mother thought she was with its father, and the father had fxxk off shopping, leaving it with a completely inexperienced 17 year old who had the child dangerously near a heater and clearly had no idea of the dangers, and wanted it logged by police and SS, I think you would be surprised by both police and SS.

I think they would take the report in good faith.
Particularly as he is only very recently allowed see the child.

But then if I was the OP I would be on to the police by now and if he has taken any money from her savings, it most definitely would be a police matter.

Nizanb · 20/10/2022 16:08

The ages difference is a bit paedo. When she was 15 he was 20…

Stupid reasoning. When my nan was 20, my grandad was 15. Does that mean she's a peado? Anyone with an age gap once upon a time would have been dating an underage person if you rewind far enough. If your dad is 60 and your mum is 52, then once upon a time when your mum was 15, your dad was 23. It doesn't work like that.

He's dating a 17 year old, over the age of consent, who he met at work. He's not dating a 15 year old underaged girl that hasn't got her GCSEs yet.

SliceOfCakeCupOfTea · 20/10/2022 16:08

LongStoryShorty · 20/10/2022 14:33

Another thing I would try is to get your daughter a new job. At 17 I don’t know if she’s allowed to work without your permission.

She's 17 not 7. OP can't force her to quit her job and work elsewhere.

crostina1 · 20/10/2022 16:09

I asked DD today if she’s ever given J any money. Apparently, she hasn’t (and wouldn’t, though I’m not convinced) given him any large sums but £30 here and there for food. And a few weeks ago for a taxi to visit the child who was apparently ill but he didn’t end up going because the ex told him she wouldn’t let him see the child.

OP posts:
crostina1 · 20/10/2022 16:10

And further reading between the lines I’m not convinced the child was genuinely ill as DD said J was sheepish but she gave him the benefit of the doubt. She’s only further fallen for his shit in the weeks since

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crostina1 · 20/10/2022 16:12

But basically he told DD that his son had Covid and he was upset because couldn’t afford to visit, so DD gave him £30 for a taxi. Then suddenly once he’d got the money said he couldn’t go anyway as ex would kick off.

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SliceOfCakeCupOfTea · 20/10/2022 16:13

There are so many people on here who seem to think they could fully control a 17 year old and have no long term repercussions.

If you ban him from the house, she will just go with him (as she has already done).

If you tell her to stop dating him, she'll just do it on the sly.

If you try and force her to move jobs, she just won't and it'll damage your relationship with her.

If you try and dictate things too strictly you will lose her, he will get her and the damage will be done. You might reconcile in a few years but she'll probably have kids under her belt and her life path will already have changed and you won't have been there for it.

Asking22 · 20/10/2022 16:15

What a scumbag using a sick child excuse to manipulate someone into giving them money. It's probably more money than she is letting on since he seems to be able to fund endless takeaways and suspected drugs on a 15 hour week wage.

ItsaMetalBand · 20/10/2022 16:16

It's likely not takeaway's he's getting delivered...

cc1997 · 20/10/2022 16:17

You seem to be talking to DD a lot about how scummy her boyfriend is and she's admitting things you won't want to hear, yet you're not telling her he can't stay anymore?

ZeldaWillTellYourFortune · 20/10/2022 16:17

When I was 17, if my parents told me to stay home, or stop dating someone or whatever, it was not optional. What has changed?

And my parents were laid-back mild people, not tyrants. But they were the parents. Same with my friends and their families.

crostina1 · 20/10/2022 16:18

@ItsaMetalBand.

I know what you are saying but he dumps the packaging on the kitchen counter afterwards.

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Amarantho · 20/10/2022 16:20

When I was 17, if my parents told me to stay home, or stop dating someone or whatever, it was not optional. What has changed?

So what would they have done if you just walked out the door? Lied to them about where you were, who you were with? She's 17, not 12.

SliceOfCakeCupOfTea · 20/10/2022 16:21

ZeldaWillTellYourFortune · 20/10/2022 16:17

When I was 17, if my parents told me to stay home, or stop dating someone or whatever, it was not optional. What has changed?

And my parents were laid-back mild people, not tyrants. But they were the parents. Same with my friends and their families.

Unless you physically restrain someone, they can leave. That includes 17 year olds.

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