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To not want DD’s boyfriend’s child in my house

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crostina1 · 19/10/2022 14:27

This happened yesterday and DD doesn’t get why I am annoyed. My 17 year old DD has a new boyfriend of 22 (will call him J) who she met at work. They got together 2 months ago, and it has moved very fast. He only works 15 hours a week and doesn’t do more because of his ‘mental health’. He had a tough upbringing (DD won’t give the details) and isn’t in contact with any of his family. He has a just turned 3 year old son with an ex who he sees once evey few months. He lives in his friend’s family’s spare room but is outstaying his welcome and needs to be out by Christmas. He is making no plans for this whatsoever, I know the place they work would bite his hand off if he asked them for full-time hours, they are very understaffed and he could then he could a bedsit or rent a bedroom. But he will not consider this.

I caught on to what he was doing straight away. He came to stay over one night and stayed for 5, it was obvious he was trying to move in for free accommodation. I put my foot down and said he can only stay 1 night at a time, and no more than 1 night a week as this is our family home and we have DD’s autistic brother to think about, who is unsettled having a stranger in the home. J makes no effort with us at all. DH cooks every night and J never eats it when offered, he gets a takeaway every night, sometimes in the early hours, waking us up. I haven’t ever actually had a conversation with J, he acknowledges me with a nod when he sees me in the house and that’s it. He knows I don’t like him, he is taking advantage of my daughter. He hasn’t once taken my DD out on a date.

They were both off work yesterday. I was aware that he had been allowed a visit with his child, and that DD would be going. DD was very excited to meet his child. I didn’t agree with it, but saying anything would have been futile. I was told they were getting the train to pick him up (child lives in the next town over) going for lunch and to the park and then taking him back to his mum. I finished work early and came home at 3 and opened the door to find the child playing in my hallway, with DD sat in the living room with the door open watching him. J had gone to the shop.

DD hasn’t ever really been around young children, she would haven’t a clue what to do if he’d have had a tantrum and the child was playing next to our heater which was on full blast. I was not at all comfortable with this and read DD the riot act about how this is the first time she has met this child and that it was incredibly inappropriate for J to leave her with him. J was gone for a further half an hour. DD said they went to the park and it was closed off (don’t believe) so J thought it made sense to come here. She said J’s ex (who, I’m told was completely under the impression they WERE at the park/going for lunch and not at mine) is considering letting him have weekly contact and J wants to be able to bring him here as he can’t take him to his mate’s house. I told her in no uncertain terms, no. My house is not a contact centre. DD naively said she thought I’d like it and it’d be like having a grandchild for me.

I had her ring J, find out which shop he was in and then sent her off with the child (who had a pram, thank god as I don’t have a bloody car seat to ferry him about) to meet him so they could take him home.

DD and J don’t get what my problem is. I barely know J. What if something had happened to the child in my house under my DD’s care? In my opinion, taking the child to his new girlfriend’s house when the mother is under the impression they are at the park constitutes a form of low-level abduction, and I wanted no part in the deception.

OP posts:
FistFullOfRegrets · 20/10/2022 11:04

Obki · 20/10/2022 10:28

OP knows that her dd is safe, but would the mum of this 3yo be happy knowing her ex left her son with a 17yo girl he's been dating for 8 weeks?

@Obki

It's irrelevant what the child's mum would like or not. The child was in his Dad's care & like it or not, he's allowed to go to peoples houses & to leave his child, with his girlfriend while he goes to the shops, the child has NOT been abducted.

kateandme · 20/10/2022 11:13

What I’d worry now it’s gone this far is the Australia trip could be a disaster.she’s obviously gone way to far into this. If they are now leaving the house to be together when you put up a fight.
so would she ask your uncle if he could come with her. What if she spent more of her savingnpaying for him to go.
what if he did and the bf persuaded her to stay.

StrangerOnline · 20/10/2022 11:16

Azandme · 20/10/2022 07:13

I'd give her the flights to Australia as her 18th birthday present - but tell her about it now. That way she won't see it as an immediate knee jerk thing to challenge her relationship.

Tell her you're so proud of her studying towards becoming a paramedic, and you wanted to give her the trip of a lifetime before uni.

I'd also say I know you're saving for uni, so you're telling her now so she can maybe save a little more for her trip.

Then spend time with her researching and planning so she gets her excitement up. Involve the cousins. Look at trips, restaurants, clubs etc. Also tell her friends so they are also buoying up the excitement. Hell, I'd even casually drop in a line to J about how he must be so pleased for her.

If J then tries to kibosh it her friends will be appalled and help her see him for what he is.

Also, overnight stays just you and her in uni cities - make her see what she can have. Broaden her horizons to highlight how small her life would be.

She needs a dream bigger than him.

He's a shitweasel. It's going to take cleverness.

I was going to say that I didn’t understand why people are pushing to send her to Australia. I strongly feel that IF she does agree to go (and spend a LOT of her savings on her flight etc) then a mere 2 weeks holiday away from J is not guaranteed to have any effect.
It would be different if you were talking about an extended trip of several months…

However, this suggestion by @Azandme is the only way I can possibly see it might be useful. Great ideas here.

OP @crostina1 - I think you’ve done everything right so far. Agree you would have alienated her by forbidding him in the house, and I think limiting to one night per week is the perfect solution. I also agree with people suggesting that you should change tack and become very friendly/helpful towards him so that your daughter has no reason to be negative to you about your attitude.

I also strongly feel that you need to get her an implant/coil ASAP. And you know your daughter best, but the suggestion of bribing her with money (you can be honest that you are very nervous she would be throwing her life away by getting pregnant so young and that is why) or I also liked the idea of lying to her and saying that you would be okay with J staying over more often than once a week if she was on more reliable contraception. And then do not feel guilty about changing your mind once she has an implant (I’m sure he will provide you with a good reason for going back on your promise).

Also please do continue to bolster her self-esteem, and show her that life can be fun, and if possible involve her friends, and continue to compare their relationships with their boyfriends.
Hopefully she will start to realise by herself that she can do better.

good luck

Obki · 20/10/2022 11:18

FistFullOfRegrets · 20/10/2022 11:04

@Obki

It's irrelevant what the child's mum would like or not. The child was in his Dad's care & like it or not, he's allowed to go to peoples houses & to leave his child, with his girlfriend while he goes to the shops, the child has NOT been abducted.

I'm not talking about abduction. You said the child was safe with dd. But he wasn't, given the heater incident. OP herself said dd was uneasy around the child and didn't even have the confidence to put him in his pushchair.

You might think it's irrelevant, but I feel bad for the child's mum who has no idea her son is being put in these situations.

woodhill · 20/10/2022 11:28

thenewduchessoflapland · 19/10/2022 23:55

@crostina1

My nieces mum X met a man like this;8 years her senior,hasn't worked for a long time due to "health related issue" of which he's very shady about and by X's disclosure he exaggerates greatly.

He isn't close to his family,has multiple children that he has no contact with with 3 "evil witches who keep the children away from him".

He moved in with X only a month after meeting as he was sofa surfing and had an expiration date on that.He knocked X up after only 2 months together.

They got married,X got pregnant again and they moved into another property of which they were both on the tenancy agreement (previously only X was on it).

He was sleeping with another woman during X's last pregnancy,he attempted to keep the house,the furniture and the kids.X ended up moving in with her parents but thankfully got the children back but scumbag STBExH has kept the house,the furniture and moved in OW and her brat and the cherry on the cake was OW having hers and scumbags baby 3 weeks prior to X's youngest's first birthday.

Do absolutely everything you need to in order to run this waster out of your DD's life.

Yes the benefit system seems to enable these wasters whose only skill seems to impregnate woman and then leave a legacy of chaos and unhappiness

StrangerOnline · 20/10/2022 11:31

GlassesWearer · 19/10/2022 15:18

YABU (although I voted that you aren't) simply for saying you don't want the child there when you should be saying you don't want him there. Your daughter is a child - a child should not be left babysitting another child anywhere that the responsible adult is not aware of.

His MH problems aren't relevant, nor is the fact he's not working, staying with family, hasn't taken DD out on a date, only eats takeaways etc. All of that is why you don't like him but it doesn't actually matter - they're all red herrings. Your DD, at 17, is old enough to waste her time on a loser if she chooses (and, let's be honest, it won't last). The relevant issue here is that he's an adult with a child, dating a child, and facilitated the child he's dating caring for the child he created without the consent of anyone relevant (i.e. either child's responsible parent).

However, any stand you make on this may well backfire. If you force him and his child out then she'll follow. If you make it clear that his child isn't your grandchild and won't be welcome in your home then you might tempt them into making you a grandchild who will be. You need to make yourself the hero here, not the villain - or he'll make himself the hero and you the villain.

Look at the situation described in your OP. You kicked off - villain, you said no - villain, you told her off - villain, you told her she's not responsible for a child - villain, you kicked them out - villain. He was there to meet her - hero, he consoled her - hero. The fact that you were in the right isn't going to be relevant to how she views that. What you should've done: "oh DD, three year olds are such hard work and you've done so well to keep him so happy, I can't believe Loser left him here like this" - you're the hero saving her from the "hard work" three year old and he's the villain for leaving the child there. "Oops, let's just move three year old away from the heater, silly loser for leaving him there" - you're the hero for saving the child and he's the villain for leaving the child in danger. "Why are you here? Oh, the park was closed? Let's find somewhere else to go? Silly loser for not checking ahead of time and creating all this disruption" - you're the hero for making new plans and he's the villain for fucking up the original plan going to the park. Over enough time, these little things you're pointing out as his fault will build up and build up and build up and she'll start to realise he's an incompetent loser. It'll be hard work for you for a short while but it's a hell of a lot less work than raising your grandchild and a hell of a lot nicer than losing your daughter.

@crostina1 some good points here about you should not make yourself the villain in this situation.
However I completely agree with everything you say about not allowing J’s child to be in your house.

Perhaps this situation with childcare/somewhere to take the child can be used as a good catalyst/ reason for you and your DH to have an about turn regarding your attitude to J and start the ‘killing with kindness’ and trying to be friendly to him plan? You can say that it is a good thing he is trying to have a relationship with his child, and that it is just too early and not fair on child to involve you at this time.
. Try and insist that he eats with you all as a family - partly to save money, and help him out, and partly to give you a chance to get to know him better. All makes you look good.

altmember · 20/10/2022 11:34

I'd set a rule that he can't stay in your house overnight. Set a kicking out time (11, 12, 1am whatever isn't too disruptive - earlier on a school night, later at weekend). That way they still have opportunity to carry on being sexual under your roof (so you're not driving dd out), but he doesn't get opportunity to move in on the sly. What'll hopefully happen is that once J's got his sexual gratification for the evening, and into the habit of fucking off out of your house, dd will start to realise that she's just being used as his sex thing and get fed up of it.

Also, where is your dh on all this? He's barely been mentioned except that J doesn't eat his cooking. Might sound a bit sexist for MN, but they really ought to be having a firmly worded 'man to man talk'.

SliceOfCakeCupOfTea · 20/10/2022 11:34

thenightsky · 19/10/2022 15:50

I could have written the OP and her follow up posts myself, apart from my DD's vile boyfriend didn't want to move in. She was 16 and he said he was 23. A bit of digging by me turned up his true age... 31. He'd got a 4 year old son 200 miles away and mother of his child was a 'psycho' who refused access. Aye right!

He bought DD flowers and gifts and we got all the 'he treats me like a princess mum, that's how much he loves me' crap. She ended up not going into 6th form for A-levels so she could go live with him. We funded her college however, but he kept finding her jobs so she could pay his bills in the shared house they moved to. Washing up in pubs and restaurants etc. Obviously this impacted her college work.

When she turned 18 he dumped her for a 16 year old thank god.

He didn't turn go on to marry her and she's just left him now because she's fell out of love and he is now posting on mn is he??

billy1966 · 20/10/2022 11:35

Obki · 20/10/2022 11:18

I'm not talking about abduction. You said the child was safe with dd. But he wasn't, given the heater incident. OP herself said dd was uneasy around the child and didn't even have the confidence to put him in his pushchair.

You might think it's irrelevant, but I feel bad for the child's mum who has no idea her son is being put in these situations.

I completely agree with you @Obki, he left the child with a child.

I would absolutely be reporting him.
That child's mother is entitled to know he left her child with a 17 year old child that has no experience of children and her mother was deeply unhappy about it and told her to leave and go and find him.

To not to do so is complicity.
The OP can check with SS or 101 if she is unsure.

StrangerOnline · 20/10/2022 11:37

crostina1 · 19/10/2022 15:24

Good idea about killing him with kindness. Basically annoy the shit out of him? Mine and DH’s current tactic is make it clear we don’t like him nor want him there but I suppose that isn’t working.

Exactly- it hasn’t worked so far. New tactic required. Use J’s child being there as the reason you are changing your attitude towards him (need to have a good reason or it will be highly suspicious if you suddenly start being nice? When she already knows you don’t like him/the relationship)

Avoid pushing her away, help her see by herself she can do better, and will always have your love and support.
The only thing I think you should be 100% adamant about is that you will not allow her to live with you if she gets pregnant. Hence do whatever she must to avoid that.

StrangerOnline · 20/10/2022 11:42

kateandme · 19/10/2022 22:49

Killing with kindness is key here.most importantly so you don’t push her to him.
but alos because he will hate this.right now he wants your dd to see you as the baddy.
he wants to turn her against you so every argument or remake you make he can say “you see she said this or she hates me trying to split us up”
if your kind and overly so your dd will instead be saying to him “but she don’t do anything wrong and is nice to you?”or she will at least be thinking it. He won’t be able to hide then.his true colours will come out.
and from that your dd will need you. She will need to not need to save face if you’ve been proved right.

Agree strongly with this

Obki · 20/10/2022 11:44

billy1966 · 20/10/2022 11:35

I completely agree with you @Obki, he left the child with a child.

I would absolutely be reporting him.
That child's mother is entitled to know he left her child with a 17 year old child that has no experience of children and her mother was deeply unhappy about it and told her to leave and go and find him.

To not to do so is complicity.
The OP can check with SS or 101 if she is unsure.

Exactly. And if he left his son to buy drugs, that is even more represensible.

thenightsky · 20/10/2022 12:07

SliceOfCakeCupOfTea · 20/10/2022 11:34

He didn't turn go on to marry her and she's just left him now because she's fell out of love and he is now posting on mn is he??

God I hope not. As far as I'm aware he ended up prison via a beating from some locals after he tried to rip the wrong person off one time. Its a good many years ago now and he's out now. DD was with her mates one afternoon recently and spotted him on the other side of the road with a woman. He was pushing a pram. Halloween Hmm

SliceOfCakeCupOfTea · 20/10/2022 12:30

OP, I'd possibly be tempted to do a few things here, mainly with the intention of showing her she can do better.

Make friends with him (for effect). Ask her about him, how he's getting on, what he's got planned for his DC for Christmas, how he's enjoying work etc.

If she brings up the depression, mention just simple things like the calm app and talking matters (because this shows how nice and caring you are).

Suggest to her that you have a family meal one night cooked by her and J. Anything they want, free rein in the kitchen, you will provide the booze if they do the food. He'll probably not want to or not contribute, and I mean, who doesn't row with someone else in the kitchen! Worst outcome is you actually have a pleasant dinner together.

Get all excited about her and her bfs having double dates somewhere. Wrap it with an occasion "oh wouldn't it be so lovely if you, J, Jenny and Simon, Jane and shane all went out for a to celebrate your birthday somewhere as a couple's thing!" If she can see first hand what her friends bfs are like, she'll start seeing him as a loser.

I'm afraid you're going to have to be so manipulative to combat his manipulation. As long as you do it for the right reasons then it's not as bad as what he's doing.

StrangerOnline · 20/10/2022 12:41

And forgot to say @Kennykenkencat had some great advice too (wish there was a like button here) about ‘giving J a chance’…
especially around suggesting going to GP for help with MH, and possibly getting PIP or other benefits to help with upcoming housing problem. Remind your DD occasionally that J has to sort housing out by Xmas - maybe offer to ‘help’ by looking on websites for finding bedsits/ shared house etc (also a way of underlining that he will not be welcome at yours)

billy1966 · 20/10/2022 12:42

Keep a very close eye on her savings.

He's just the type of scum to empty them.

I would be enquiring about him with your local police station.

Your child is 17 and you have every right to express concern to the police, especially as he could be using drugs.

Even if he isn't, no harm in expressing concern!

Itloggedmeoutagain · 20/10/2022 12:45

SliceOfCakeCupOfTea · 20/10/2022 12:30

OP, I'd possibly be tempted to do a few things here, mainly with the intention of showing her she can do better.

Make friends with him (for effect). Ask her about him, how he's getting on, what he's got planned for his DC for Christmas, how he's enjoying work etc.

If she brings up the depression, mention just simple things like the calm app and talking matters (because this shows how nice and caring you are).

Suggest to her that you have a family meal one night cooked by her and J. Anything they want, free rein in the kitchen, you will provide the booze if they do the food. He'll probably not want to or not contribute, and I mean, who doesn't row with someone else in the kitchen! Worst outcome is you actually have a pleasant dinner together.

Get all excited about her and her bfs having double dates somewhere. Wrap it with an occasion "oh wouldn't it be so lovely if you, J, Jenny and Simon, Jane and shane all went out for a to celebrate your birthday somewhere as a couple's thing!" If she can see first hand what her friends bfs are like, she'll start seeing him as a loser.

I'm afraid you're going to have to be so manipulative to combat his manipulation. As long as you do it for the right reasons then it's not as bad as what he's doing.

Agree with all this

Beautiful3 · 20/10/2022 12:45

I have 2 daughters and I really feel for you, as this would be my worst nightmare. Would she attend a clinic with you to have an implant fitted, so you can be reassured about birth control.

Bigbadfish · 20/10/2022 12:49

ThingsIhavelearnt · 19/10/2022 16:35

He doesn’t come over at all and she doesn’t stay out overnight

Id have a family meeting with him.

unfortunately this has lobster boy - as per a wonderful poster her who was so kind to her daughters boyfriend. It sounds like whatever you say or do he will turn the tables on you.

get counselling for her about abusive relationship and try to open her eyes before it is too late

That poster is now on Gransnet. OP it got so much worse than you could ever imagine. He's put 3 kids in her and now has total control. Seeing it all play out is horrific.

Chickenwing2 · 20/10/2022 12:54

Why are you ignoring the responses telling you to ban this man from your house?

Untitledsquatboulder · 20/10/2022 13:02

Chickenwing2 · 20/10/2022 12:54

Why are you ignoring the responses telling you to ban this man from your house?

If you read the thread you'll see a wide variety of advice as to how the OP should handle this. The OP is not obliged to follow any or all of it (all of it would be difficult as its quite contradictory).

Bigbadfish · 20/10/2022 13:02

I would sit her down and tell her that of she gets pregnant he will never step foot in the house again.
That she will have to live with her choices and that she will be raising that baby alone and paying for it alone because that would not be your problem.

LuckySantangelo35 · 20/10/2022 13:09

@YukoandHiro

dont blame your parents for your choice in boyfriend!

Motnight · 20/10/2022 13:13

DdraigGoch · 20/10/2022 09:38

I wonder if there's something more in this. Having grown up in a safe environment, both your daughter and the OP's have lead relatively sheltered lives, blissfully unaware of how men can fuck them over.

I have never thought of it this way. Thank you @DDdraigGoch

ZeldaWillTellYourFortune · 20/10/2022 13:13

billy1966 · 20/10/2022 12:42

Keep a very close eye on her savings.

He's just the type of scum to empty them.

I would be enquiring about him with your local police station.

Your child is 17 and you have every right to express concern to the police, especially as he could be using drugs.

Even if he isn't, no harm in expressing concern!

I bet he already has his clutches on her savings, unfortunately.

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