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To not want DD’s boyfriend’s child in my house

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crostina1 · 19/10/2022 14:27

This happened yesterday and DD doesn’t get why I am annoyed. My 17 year old DD has a new boyfriend of 22 (will call him J) who she met at work. They got together 2 months ago, and it has moved very fast. He only works 15 hours a week and doesn’t do more because of his ‘mental health’. He had a tough upbringing (DD won’t give the details) and isn’t in contact with any of his family. He has a just turned 3 year old son with an ex who he sees once evey few months. He lives in his friend’s family’s spare room but is outstaying his welcome and needs to be out by Christmas. He is making no plans for this whatsoever, I know the place they work would bite his hand off if he asked them for full-time hours, they are very understaffed and he could then he could a bedsit or rent a bedroom. But he will not consider this.

I caught on to what he was doing straight away. He came to stay over one night and stayed for 5, it was obvious he was trying to move in for free accommodation. I put my foot down and said he can only stay 1 night at a time, and no more than 1 night a week as this is our family home and we have DD’s autistic brother to think about, who is unsettled having a stranger in the home. J makes no effort with us at all. DH cooks every night and J never eats it when offered, he gets a takeaway every night, sometimes in the early hours, waking us up. I haven’t ever actually had a conversation with J, he acknowledges me with a nod when he sees me in the house and that’s it. He knows I don’t like him, he is taking advantage of my daughter. He hasn’t once taken my DD out on a date.

They were both off work yesterday. I was aware that he had been allowed a visit with his child, and that DD would be going. DD was very excited to meet his child. I didn’t agree with it, but saying anything would have been futile. I was told they were getting the train to pick him up (child lives in the next town over) going for lunch and to the park and then taking him back to his mum. I finished work early and came home at 3 and opened the door to find the child playing in my hallway, with DD sat in the living room with the door open watching him. J had gone to the shop.

DD hasn’t ever really been around young children, she would haven’t a clue what to do if he’d have had a tantrum and the child was playing next to our heater which was on full blast. I was not at all comfortable with this and read DD the riot act about how this is the first time she has met this child and that it was incredibly inappropriate for J to leave her with him. J was gone for a further half an hour. DD said they went to the park and it was closed off (don’t believe) so J thought it made sense to come here. She said J’s ex (who, I’m told was completely under the impression they WERE at the park/going for lunch and not at mine) is considering letting him have weekly contact and J wants to be able to bring him here as he can’t take him to his mate’s house. I told her in no uncertain terms, no. My house is not a contact centre. DD naively said she thought I’d like it and it’d be like having a grandchild for me.

I had her ring J, find out which shop he was in and then sent her off with the child (who had a pram, thank god as I don’t have a bloody car seat to ferry him about) to meet him so they could take him home.

DD and J don’t get what my problem is. I barely know J. What if something had happened to the child in my house under my DD’s care? In my opinion, taking the child to his new girlfriend’s house when the mother is under the impression they are at the park constitutes a form of low-level abduction, and I wanted no part in the deception.

OP posts:
crostina1 · 20/10/2022 00:23

I must admit I do check she’s finished her coffee every morning at breakfast because coffee aversion is the first PG symptom I got.

What a fucking mess

OP posts:
AcrossthePond55 · 20/10/2022 00:24

OnTheBrinkOfChange · 20/10/2022 00:08

No, he needs to be told that due to the 3 am delivery he is not allowed to stay anymore. Don't give a fucker like that another chance!

You've got a real point! OP and her husband certainly can tell their DD that he is no longer allowed to spend the night because he's disrespected them by waking them up at night.

If he's staying at a 'mate's family's house' I'd bet he's not allowed to have overnight guests there. When one of my son's friends stayed with us they certainly weren't allowed to bring girls home!

Make it as difficult as possible for him to shag her DD and he'll look elsewhere for someone who presents more of an opportunity.

ThisIsNotThePostYourLookingFor · 20/10/2022 00:40

The possible trip to oz sounds a great idea! A last ‘big’ trip before uni kind of vibe? I’d get her cousins in on it and get them to ask her over. If the idea comes from them she might take it

MrsElijahMikaelson1 · 20/10/2022 01:08

💐

ToniAlto · 20/10/2022 01:20

Nightmare.
Uni open days - time consuming travel to exciting new places. You & her, you & her & friends?

Loopyloopy · 20/10/2022 01:22

Honestly, I'd pull out all stops to get her to Australia. Get the cousins on board. I know you can't afford it, but if you have to, pay for the flights anyway, even if you have to sell things. Does your brother know anyone who has links to ambulance services in Australia? Perhaps she could combine the family trip with some work experience?

DaughterofDawn · 20/10/2022 01:27

I find it more problematic that a 22 year old was even so much as looking in the direction of a 17 year old. Never mind the 3 year old.

Carlycat · 20/10/2022 01:27

Chilling story. Ban that creep from your house

altmember · 20/10/2022 01:37

crostina1 · 19/10/2022 20:53

@mauvish.

Oh I wouldn’t rule it out, he’s partial to weed

Which is probably the main cause for his mental health issues.

You really do need to get her on some form of semi permanent (not forgettable) contraception. If she's reluctant, there'll only be one reason why.

lionsandwhales · 20/10/2022 02:12

keep your daughter close and try to reduce the benefits that your hospitality offers without dd clicking.. He can come over but must be out by X pm, no takeaways delivered (how does he afford that)? Perhaps some reverse psychologically , sit and chat with him. Very likely he is using your daughter but maybe he is truly f’d up and not emotionally immature, feels like the world owes him, can’t stand on his own two feet and as a result and struggling to be a grown up . Sad it has fallen on your door but you sound like you have got this and can deal with it without losing your dd.

Lampzade · 20/10/2022 03:22

First thing I would do is to encourager to get
contraception( the implant or the injection)
If she gets pregnant there will be even more issues
I wouldn’t ban him entirely, but I would limit his visit to once a week.

Scottishskifun · 20/10/2022 03:30

crostina1 · 19/10/2022 16:42

She’s on the pill but is forgetful and thinks the sun shines out of J’s arse and I can see her wanting a ‘family’ with him. I’ll eat my hat if she isn’t pregnant by the end of the year 😥

Can you encourage her to get the implant?
It isn't full proof (nothing is) but it's one of the highest rated protection modes.

Sometimes it does start with symptoms of bleeding for a few weeks whilst it settles down but it lasts for 3 years.

Nevertouchakoala · 20/10/2022 04:02

You and of course not unreasonable but I think you’re playing this all the wrong way. She will discover she wants more from life (we hope) but all you can do is grit your teeth and support support support.

Fraaahnces · 20/10/2022 04:27

Why is everyone so soft? He wouldn’t darken the door of my home!!! I would also encourage the trip to Aus! I would also suggest that you take her savings for safe-keeping - maybe put it in a “high-yield account under your name” so he can’t get his mitts on it. You can tell her that and give her a bit extra once the ticket’s booked and you’ve seen it.

Kennykenkencat · 20/10/2022 05:05

crostina1 · 19/10/2022 20:55

The only thing that’s worked so far in giving DD pause for thought is comparing the situation to the relationships of her friends. Going on days out, to restaurants, weekends away together, a bit of genuine romance. From what I’ve briefly seen he shows her no affection whatsoever.

I think you have to plaster a smile on your face. Say you will give him a chance. Then as she relaxes subtly drop in to conversation about how her friends are going out to nice places and suggest they go somewhere nice. (Find a groupon for a dinner in a nice hotel and an activity. Something you know your Dd would love to do and her bf should love to do it as well)
Get him out of his comfort zone whilst being a helpful mother. (also make sure you know when her period is and then make sure he sees her then but every month when you can guess she is ovulating she has stuff to do with you or her other friends
Suggest they do a few meals out or go for walks or do an activity
Put into conversation that he sees a doctor regarding his mental health as he maybe entitled to PIP and other benefits and as he is working part time he might be able to get housing benefit to help him with paying for a flat or house share.
He does need to be a bit more grown up and get himself a more permanent place. .
What are his mental health triggers
Would he cope with having a family He obviously couldn’t cope with his dc.
How old was his dc when he split with the mum.
Interested to know what your Dd says about why he doesn’t pay CM for his child. I know she says it is because the mother spends any money he gives her on crap.
I would ask what money he has actually given her in the last 3 years to look after his child and who she thinks is paying for his child if he isn’t. Obviously the mother is paying for everything so what has it got to do with him or your Dd what she spends her money on.

Even suggest that if your dd did get with him and they had a family would he be able to cope with babies and the noise they make at all hours of the day if he has MH issues that make it impossible for him to even work. Does he ever look after his child on his own.
I would also suggest that he does things with his child on his own. Your Dd needs to give him space to connect with his own dc before she gets involved. It is only fair on the child. They are in a relatively new relationship and whilst it is nice that your Dd likes to look after this child it really isn’t good for the child to be left with some random girl in a strange house and their father is nowhere to be seen.
She needs to put herself in the place of the child and be a grown up and leave them to reconnect on the days he has them.

You have to be reasonable (or at least show your Dd how reasonable you are)
If you come down on him like a ton of bricks and think you keeping in place boundaries all that will happen is you will drive her into his arms.

Tip for those who’s hearts sink on seeing your child’s latest bf/gf. Plaster on the happy face and gush all over them then very gradually drop things into conversation. Things to make them think about their latest and if they are really suitable
Never ban them from seeing them, never say anything directly against them as it will just back fire.
They have to come to the conclusion they are not suitable themselves. If you tell them they aren’t suitable they will cling on tighter.

Maybe suggest your Dd puts her savings in a high interest account that she can’t touch for a year or 2
If he knows there is no money then he might move on.

MrsLargeEmbodied · 20/10/2022 05:29

J refuses the meals that DH cooks?
i would keep cooking family meals
all the family at the table.
J needs to sit at the table,
then you can all see what he is like, including your DD, lets hope,
other than that, stay strong, and yes ban him from the house if it comes to it.
my dd also had an inappropriate relationship at the same age, we tried to be nice, but we just didnt like her choice. We were right as this person was utterly wrong for dd, but she couldnt see it

lemmein · 20/10/2022 05:34

Haven't RTFT but you have my complete sympathy OP. My DD was in a very similar relationship at the age of 16 - your description of 'J' matches my DD's BF 100%, even down to him making no effort with the wider family. He also had a child from a previous relationship who he seen in a contact centre (when he could be arsed - mainly instigated by his mother) I later found out he had been accused of rape multiple times, had spent time in prison for having sex with an underage girl (he actually raped an underage girl, but y'know, the justice system 🙄) he was violent, manipulative - god I fucking despised him.

Once I found out about his past it all started falling into place. He wasn't on social media, because he was scared he would be targeted after prison (well, not under his actual name anyway) He was always sofa surfing because he wasn't allowed to sleep in his family home due to his underage sister living there. He claimed sick for anxiety - which he had because he was scared of the repercussions from his conviction. I guess that's why he didn't speak at all to us, he didn't want to be found out.

You really do have my sympathy because you're likely in for a long, shit journey where you'll be tearing your hair out on a daily basis at how your DD can't see what is glaringly obvious. She'll defend him, no matter what - I didn't even recognise my DD when she was with him.

It took what felt like forever for my DD to see sense and dump the evil waste of space. It honestly was the worst time of my life.

Now hopefully your DDs BF is 'just' a waster rather than an abusive fucker but I'd check social media - google his name, etc to see if you can find anything about him.

And although it maybe 'unethical' (I didn't give a shit!) I'd pay your DD to go to an implant appt with you. I did with mine - best £50 I've ever spent; he's long gone now and thankfully there's no kids in the picture to keep him hanging around.

Good luck Flowers

lemmein · 20/10/2022 05:37

crostina1 · 19/10/2022 15:24

Good idea about killing him with kindness. Basically annoy the shit out of him? Mine and DH’s current tactic is make it clear we don’t like him nor want him there but I suppose that isn’t working.

Forgot to add, my DD finally started to see sense when I stopped caring. Obviously I never stopped caring - but I started to act disinterested, did the whole 'do whatever you like - it's your life' routine, stepped out of the drama and poof, he was gone! Wink

PaulaTrilloe · 20/10/2022 06:14

He probably wants a kid so he can get the child benefit, housing priority as being a single childless 'man' would be lowest priority, top up benefits. Any chance you/your daughter can check him out under Claire's Law (probably has form or his mate has if he can't see his child there)

Totally agree OP he can see his kid at an approved Child Contact premises
(there is probably a charge for this)

What an absolute loser user!
OP YANBU

Bonbon21 · 20/10/2022 06:43

Can you get any.of her friends
on board? Is there one with a bit of maturity she would listen to?
Or a teacher that she really admires who could inspire her uni ambitions?
He wouldnt be doing overnights in my house but it is a difficult balance to not alienate her.

Jerryyyyyy · 20/10/2022 06:56

BlueKaftan · 19/10/2022 14:39

Make sure your DD is on birth control. Can you arrange some nice days out for her that don’t involve the cocklodger?

This seems like such good advice. I think going in direct and frank with DD really risks pushing her into his arms. Whatever you say she will want the opposite just because of the age she is sadly. I think this suggestion, to make the elements of her life without him, really appealing might make the parts with him seem dull in contrast.

Meagainalready · 20/10/2022 07:04

This is such a horrifying read

Hebid manipulating her to hold all
ghe power in your house such that she decides he can stay and you are too frightened she will go with him to kick him out.

Im not surprised you are beside yourself.

Do you have any other adults who could talk to her? Point out that first romances are meant to be fun and sweet and not mired in manipulation.

Can anyone less close to it point out the sheer number of red flags?

If you can do anything at all to persuade her to get an STD check and an implant I would be doing it. Stopping a pregnancy has to be the priority and then hope in time she works free of him. If she gets pregnant so many parts of this are game over.

Take her away a for a few days- visit the city she wanted to study in. Have some time as a family to remind her of how it feels to be free and have hope for the future. Even better if she can have a holiday romance!

I would 100% think about the Australia idea. Some time away from him being carefree might just remind her what being 17 is about. Could she take a (girl)friend with her and have an extended stay youth hostelling or something.

Mummyoflittledragon · 20/10/2022 07:12

So many good suggestions about making him uncomfortable and definitely suggest the Aus trip. Can you borrow the other half of the money off your brother for the flight and pay back in installments rather than your dd paying? Just you don’t want the ‘boyfriend’ manipulating your dd into thinking you’re taking advantage of her etc. Is half term next week? Could she go then? Better to miss a week or even 2 of yr13 than to continue on the path of self destruct and if you get her school / college on board on the safeguarding front, the staff will likely be more sympathetic to helping her catch up with missed work.

Azandme · 20/10/2022 07:13

I'd give her the flights to Australia as her 18th birthday present - but tell her about it now. That way she won't see it as an immediate knee jerk thing to challenge her relationship.

Tell her you're so proud of her studying towards becoming a paramedic, and you wanted to give her the trip of a lifetime before uni.

I'd also say I know you're saving for uni, so you're telling her now so she can maybe save a little more for her trip.

Then spend time with her researching and planning so she gets her excitement up. Involve the cousins. Look at trips, restaurants, clubs etc. Also tell her friends so they are also buoying up the excitement. Hell, I'd even casually drop in a line to J about how he must be so pleased for her.

If J then tries to kibosh it her friends will be appalled and help her see him for what he is.

Also, overnight stays just you and her in uni cities - make her see what she can have. Broaden her horizons to highlight how small her life would be.

She needs a dream bigger than him.

He's a shitweasel. It's going to take cleverness.

Sunshine847 · 20/10/2022 07:23

I’ve been where your daughter is, though luckily he was less dangerous and manipulating than the man you detail. My parents were divorcing and angry and I rebelled and he used my lack of relationship with them to give me a home that I desperately wanted. I married him and had a child. Luckily now I’m with an amazing man and have a great family.

i strongly suggest you keep your daughter as close as you can. Any restrictions or encouragement will not change her feelings…just make it harder to turn back if she leaves your home. Let him stay, be kind all the time. He will break eventually and show himself but not be able to blame you. Invite him for dinner, say how much you want to know him. Make sure your daughter hears. Say you went to help him save money so perhaps eating with you guys would help reduce his spending….

invite her friends and their boyfriends over for movie nights etc, encourage them round to show her what’s she’s missing. Take them places so she sees for herself. Tell her if this is the man for her you’ll support her, that their relationship can grow over the years. Say that there is no reason she cannot study and keep it going and go where she likes. Offer to pick her up at weekends from new city so she can come home and spend time with him…so everything you can to encourage her life and the one you want while encouraging the relationship.

she will see the light and have her life back, she has to see it herself. If you can say how much you care and happy for them to be together you might get further will the PIL, injection or implant talk. Suggest that of course in the future she’ll want to come off it and have children but for now safe sex and ensuring she builds the relationship and her future.

sorry I went on a bit, but it I really think you should switch tac.

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