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To not want DD’s boyfriend’s child in my house

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crostina1 · 19/10/2022 14:27

This happened yesterday and DD doesn’t get why I am annoyed. My 17 year old DD has a new boyfriend of 22 (will call him J) who she met at work. They got together 2 months ago, and it has moved very fast. He only works 15 hours a week and doesn’t do more because of his ‘mental health’. He had a tough upbringing (DD won’t give the details) and isn’t in contact with any of his family. He has a just turned 3 year old son with an ex who he sees once evey few months. He lives in his friend’s family’s spare room but is outstaying his welcome and needs to be out by Christmas. He is making no plans for this whatsoever, I know the place they work would bite his hand off if he asked them for full-time hours, they are very understaffed and he could then he could a bedsit or rent a bedroom. But he will not consider this.

I caught on to what he was doing straight away. He came to stay over one night and stayed for 5, it was obvious he was trying to move in for free accommodation. I put my foot down and said he can only stay 1 night at a time, and no more than 1 night a week as this is our family home and we have DD’s autistic brother to think about, who is unsettled having a stranger in the home. J makes no effort with us at all. DH cooks every night and J never eats it when offered, he gets a takeaway every night, sometimes in the early hours, waking us up. I haven’t ever actually had a conversation with J, he acknowledges me with a nod when he sees me in the house and that’s it. He knows I don’t like him, he is taking advantage of my daughter. He hasn’t once taken my DD out on a date.

They were both off work yesterday. I was aware that he had been allowed a visit with his child, and that DD would be going. DD was very excited to meet his child. I didn’t agree with it, but saying anything would have been futile. I was told they were getting the train to pick him up (child lives in the next town over) going for lunch and to the park and then taking him back to his mum. I finished work early and came home at 3 and opened the door to find the child playing in my hallway, with DD sat in the living room with the door open watching him. J had gone to the shop.

DD hasn’t ever really been around young children, she would haven’t a clue what to do if he’d have had a tantrum and the child was playing next to our heater which was on full blast. I was not at all comfortable with this and read DD the riot act about how this is the first time she has met this child and that it was incredibly inappropriate for J to leave her with him. J was gone for a further half an hour. DD said they went to the park and it was closed off (don’t believe) so J thought it made sense to come here. She said J’s ex (who, I’m told was completely under the impression they WERE at the park/going for lunch and not at mine) is considering letting him have weekly contact and J wants to be able to bring him here as he can’t take him to his mate’s house. I told her in no uncertain terms, no. My house is not a contact centre. DD naively said she thought I’d like it and it’d be like having a grandchild for me.

I had her ring J, find out which shop he was in and then sent her off with the child (who had a pram, thank god as I don’t have a bloody car seat to ferry him about) to meet him so they could take him home.

DD and J don’t get what my problem is. I barely know J. What if something had happened to the child in my house under my DD’s care? In my opinion, taking the child to his new girlfriend’s house when the mother is under the impression they are at the park constitutes a form of low-level abduction, and I wanted no part in the deception.

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mauvish · 19/10/2022 20:52

crostina1 · 19/10/2022 20:39

The reason why I wasn’t comfortable with DD being alone with the child (other than the principal of it) is that she has never been around young children. We had her older and all her cousins etc much older. My Dsis has grandchildren but DD hasn’t been present when I’ve seen them. She held a baby once 10 years ago. She wouldn’t have had a clue what to do if J’s child had a tantrum. The child was playing near the heater.

I am not blaming DD for this, J is a prick who was trying to take advantage. He’d gone to ‘the shop’ but there was a big hoo ha about the shop not having what he needed so he went to another one bla bla bla. I think it was an attempt to have DD bond with child? It’s all part of the manipulation. When I discussed if she needed contraception advice DD admitted he doesn’t ‘like’ condoms and didn’t ask her if she was on the pill until they’d already done it several bloody times.

It’s obvious what his goal is (freeloading in our house) and I’m sure he’ll use any tactic necessary to achieve it.

He went to the shop? Why couldn't he take his child to the shop in the buggy?

Or was it a different sort of purchase, not a shop-based one at all?

ThingsIhavelearnt · 19/10/2022 20:53

crostina1 · 19/10/2022 20:51

Searching his name reveals a court appearance article mentioning a crime he did at 18, affray with a group of lads. I mentioned this to DD and she bit my head off for stalking him.

His SM is private.

It’s public knowledge not stalking

crostina1 · 19/10/2022 20:53

@mauvish.

Oh I wouldn’t rule it out, he’s partial to weed

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StClare101 · 19/10/2022 20:54

ChocFrog · 19/10/2022 14:39

J is bad news.

Ban J from your house. You don’t have to put up with this and you don’t have to be polite about it either. Your DD needs a reality check, not indulgently pretending this relationship is ok.

Tell your DD that she may like him, and that is up to her, but you dislike him, and that is up to you. Say that in your eyes he’s a creep: he’s sleeping with a teenager 5 years younger than himself, he’s already got a child but refuses to get a full time job to support that child, and negligently left that child in the care of an unfamiliar teenager in an unfamiliar house, without the permission of either the child’s mother or the house’s owner.

Tell DD that you can see she is making a mistake by being in a relationship with him and you strongly recommend she break up with him. You can’t insist she do so but you can ban someone you don’t trust or like from your house and from now on he is banned. Not allowed in over the threshold. If be doesn’t like that, he can a job and rent his own home.

All of this.

Your DD sounds extremely naive. How can she not see this man doesn’t give a shit about his child?

Make sure she’s on birth control.

Tell her if she quits the part time job right now (I assume she’s in school) you’ll pay her until she gets another one. Get her away from this man.

And ban him from your house.

EatenDorky · 19/10/2022 20:55

My mum would’ve done everything to stop this. If I’d left the house, she’d have followed us in the car. If I’d stayed at his, she’d have stood outside his house shouting that he was a paedophile. The threats/knowledge of this were enough for me to just about stay in line but the poor woman had to put some hours and energy into keeping me (just about!) on the straight and narrow. But I was the youngest and I realise you may not have that ‘luxury’ of time/energy when you’ve got your younger DC to think about.

crostina1 · 19/10/2022 20:55

The only thing that’s worked so far in giving DD pause for thought is comparing the situation to the relationships of her friends. Going on days out, to restaurants, weekends away together, a bit of genuine romance. From what I’ve briefly seen he shows her no affection whatsoever.

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Nosleepforthismum · 19/10/2022 20:56

Try not to worry OP. I can feel your distress with each post but there is a large chunk of us who dated a loser in our teens/early 20’s, didn’t get pregnant and eventually wondered what the hell we were doing and dumped them. He sounds particularly awful but your daughter will eventually realise this. You can’t physically prevent a pregnancy but you have to trust your daughter to make her own decisions with this and hopefully it will all just fizzle out like the majority of teenage flings.

Fenella123 · 19/10/2022 20:58

More pragmatically OP can you switch her to Mirena or the implant?

mauvish · 19/10/2022 20:58

If he shows her no affection, why does she believe that this is love?

Have you asked her (in a non-judgy, non-confrontational way of course) about this?

MrJi · 19/10/2022 20:59

Ponderingwindow · 19/10/2022 14:39

You shouldn’t be letting this man stay in your house at all. Your teenager is in a 2 month long relationship with a man who has 5 years more life experience, a child, and no work ethic. you may not be able to forbid the relationship, but you shouldn’t be making him coffee in the morning.

I agree with this. I have a 17 year old. I would definitely not let her have a man to stay overnight.

Thepossibility · 19/10/2022 21:02

CallTheMobWife · 19/10/2022 15:35

Nope, not buying it. Being shy and having little experience do not explain how you can be so stupid as to believe the very obvious lies and bullshit from a hideous creature such as this. He has more red flags than a chinese circus and any girl following him so blindlyu either has the IQ of a potato or has never been taught a thing in her life.
No, I cannot see how anyone could be so blinded to so many many flaws. Helen Keller herself would have sussed this fella in five minutes.

Actually my younger sister got caught up with much older cocklodging vermin when she was 16, and she actually has a genius IQ, thank FUCK she saw sense and got an abortion. She now is an extremely high earner with a phD. Just because someone is young and tender hearted, doesn't mean they're stupid. It means life hasn't given them enough knocks yet. She thought she was helping him, like he was a wounded puppy. And yes, like PP said...like she is being a grown up in a proper relationship.
OP I would also recommend absolutely killing him with kindness.
Talking, talking..never shut them out! Don't become the bad guy! Don't make her choose, that's a fools game! She will rush to protect him and it would drive them closer.
Treat her like you KNOW she will OBVIOUSLY see through him because she is so brilliant.

saltinesandcoffeecups · 19/10/2022 21:03

crostina1 · 19/10/2022 20:42

I am distraught tbh. She wanted to become a paramedic and I can feel it all dissolving in front of my eyes. He’s a parasite sucking away her life force. I just know she will end up getting pregnant.

This is something you can work with. Start getting her excited about this. In my country we have ride-alongs with our emergency services EMT/Paramedics included that kids her age can get involved in. Do you have anything like that?

This is also time to find out what cool things her friends are doing and to shove her in that direction. It’s also time to get some distance between them. If you can afford it take her away for the weekend, plan some things as a family, basically keep her busy doing things other kids her age are doing. Her friends still will have a lot of sway over her so use that keep her busy.

Now for the hard part… You know your daughter so tailor to fit. You need to have a come to Jesus talk with her. Don’t get emotional, reinforce it’s her choice, but at the end of the day it’s also her consequences.

When I was that age (and younger) it was no secret my parents wouldn’t have helped me to raise a baby and at 18 I was either walking down the aisle to receive my diploma or I was walking out of their house with a suitcase. Most on here will think that was heartless but I didn’t think it was. She was setting very clear boundaries. I never once was under the illusion that I wouldn’t be fully responsible for the consequences of my actions. You said that your daughter never rebelled until now, so it’s no surprise that you didn’t have to cross this bridge earlier. She sounds sensible enough (outside of J), so just be clear with her what your boundaries will be under certain circumstances.

OhBeAFineGuyKissMe · 19/10/2022 21:05

If she is 17 is she in year 13? If so then time to start talking unis and ucas. Really go for the forward focused opportunities that she has. Can you spend some time this half term and go and visit some places.

Even year 12 you can start looking online and discussing, if she wants to be a paramedic (wonderful choice) then she needs to get some experience - could she join St John’s ambulance. The more she gets out the more she will see how dull her life with J really is.

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crostina1 · 19/10/2022 21:09

@Mannymoomin.

I’ve referenced several times her being on the pill.

I can’t drag her kicking and screaming to the clinic can I?

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AluckyEllie · 19/10/2022 21:14

I think you don’t want to alienate her but you need to illustrate some harsh realities of what life would be like living with him/having his baby. She sounds naive (I was the same tbh at this age) and is playing at being a grown up. She was probably happy to watch the child when he went to the shop because you were there, she wasn’t fully responsible for them. She may see having a child with him in the same way, living with him in her childhood home but not much else changing. You would still be there.

Discuss long term contraception with her and tell her that you would not raise the child for her, she would have to find somewhere else to live and go onto benefits as J obviously won’t earn enough to support them (even if you would let her stay.) Point out she wouldn’t be able to train as a paramedic/travel with friends etc but just as passing comments rather than in an argument. Illustrate worse case scenario (as obviously young mums still go on to have great careers etc!) and keep chipping with the comparison to other relationships.

’Would you like to go to the gp for implant or coil? You don’t want to get pregnant at 17- imagine watching all your friends going to uni and having fun whilst you are stuck at home changing nappies (laugh.)’
’What is J getting you for Christmas?Something thoughtful I hope.’
‘Me and your dad used to go for lovely city breaks when we were dating, where’s he going to take you.’
’J orders lots of takeaways doesn’t he but never takes you out for dinner, why don’t you ask him.’

You have my sympathy, hopefully she’ll wise up and this will be a good lesson. Do her friends still come over, does she have a good friend network?

bigblueyonder · 19/10/2022 21:14

Do you know her friends well? Can you ask them to help and see if she will listen to them?

Peer pressure is pretty intense at that age and she may just be wanting a boyfriend because they have one.

SuperSue77 · 19/10/2022 21:15

Not read the whole thread but from what I have read I think you are completely in the right and you are only doing the best for your daughter. I have no advice as my own children are still comparatively young, but I wish you all the best in getting this person out of your daughter’s life and that she will find a relationship with someone who will care for her and allow her a relationship on more equal terms. 💐

Lachimolala · 19/10/2022 21:17

If there’s any way at all you can keep on going at her to get her to see sense @crostina1 definitely do so.

I already know how this ends because 15 years ago I was your DD. Only difference is I had no family looking out for me as I was estranged from them at the time.

All the same hallmarks as this loser, he had no job and no where to live, druggie, no affection just used me for sex, used me for a place to stay, money, had a child with another woman with the ‘my ex is crazy spiel’ and all the same stuff about not seeing the child much and not paying CM etc etc.

Predictably I fell pregnant at 19 and that’s when the abuse started physical and emotional. Sexual and financial too in the
end.

You're spot on with what you think about being naive and wanted to feel grown up and playing happy families, I felt all the same things and as it was my first relationship I had no clue over appropriate boundaries or how a healthy happy relationship looks like.

For me now at 32 I can see that the root cause of my poor decision making was me having almost no self worth and clinging onto the first person that showed me a speck of affection.

Perhaps you could sit down with her and talk about how she feels about herself and what she wants the future to look like?

In the meantime I’d ban him from the house and phone the police if he turns up again!

PlainJaneSuperBrain99 · 19/10/2022 21:18

God what a nightmare.

Hard as it is, constantly being the Bad Cop will only push her in to his scummy arms and reinforce the narrative of the world being against him and your dd feeling responsible for him.

Can you encourage or facilitate her spending more time with her female friends? I'm thinking that her going to the cinema or out for dinner with other 17 year old girls who are talking about college and university plans might make her realise her situation with J isn't normal or healthy? Could you help her find a work experience placement that could help her with her paramedic goal? I'm just trying to think of anything that will make her see all the potential good things she will lose by staying with that twat.

And I'd recommend getting the implant if she's forgetful with the pill.

WilsonMilson · 19/10/2022 21:19

I have a 17 year old DS and I’m appalled to read this and cannot for a moment imagine ds getting involved with a 22 year old woman who has a child, and who is a lazy dosser and is trying to move in by stealth.

Boundaries need to be set and kept. I wouldn’t have him in my house quite frankly, and I certainly wouldn’t be having his loin fruit. Surely your daughter can do better than this waster?

Motherskiss · 19/10/2022 21:20

17 is a tender age and I am so sorry your daughter is being taken advantage of. As pp have said talk openly with J in front of your daughter about his aspirations and financial situation in a kind manner. You need to make it plain and obvious —in his words—that he is a waste of space who can not build a future with or for your daughter.

Get her excited about University life, the independence and long term opportunities. He surely will not be able to add value to such discussions and plans.

Do you have someone closer in age who can subtly talk to your daughter?

Asking22 · 19/10/2022 21:20

Can you show her this thread @crostina1 ? There are so many examples of young women who have been wher she is now that may make her see some sense.

BadNomad · 19/10/2022 21:26

That's a good point about her friends. Make her realise if she does end up having a baby she will likely lose her friends because they won't want to hang around at softplay with her and she won't have the freedom to go out with them any more.

Honestly, the relationship isn't really the issue. It's pregnancy that really needs to be avoided. She can end the relationship at any point, but she'll never be free of him if she has a child.

FluffySocks0 · 19/10/2022 21:27

I think you're doing the right thing by putting your foot down but I can see him trying to make you out to be the bad guy when he doesn't get his own way.

He'll likely find a way to twist it if he breaks up with her so that it's all your fault somehow, when in reality he's probably just moving on to the next victim he can sponge off.

Could you perhaps make some more rules about him staying? Like she needs to keep up her studies if she wants him to sleep over.

I'd also make it clear that if she gets pregnant that they won't be allowed to live with you and that they will have to stand on their own two feet. That might put them off the idea a bit hopefully.

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