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To not want DD’s boyfriend’s child in my house

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crostina1 · 19/10/2022 14:27

This happened yesterday and DD doesn’t get why I am annoyed. My 17 year old DD has a new boyfriend of 22 (will call him J) who she met at work. They got together 2 months ago, and it has moved very fast. He only works 15 hours a week and doesn’t do more because of his ‘mental health’. He had a tough upbringing (DD won’t give the details) and isn’t in contact with any of his family. He has a just turned 3 year old son with an ex who he sees once evey few months. He lives in his friend’s family’s spare room but is outstaying his welcome and needs to be out by Christmas. He is making no plans for this whatsoever, I know the place they work would bite his hand off if he asked them for full-time hours, they are very understaffed and he could then he could a bedsit or rent a bedroom. But he will not consider this.

I caught on to what he was doing straight away. He came to stay over one night and stayed for 5, it was obvious he was trying to move in for free accommodation. I put my foot down and said he can only stay 1 night at a time, and no more than 1 night a week as this is our family home and we have DD’s autistic brother to think about, who is unsettled having a stranger in the home. J makes no effort with us at all. DH cooks every night and J never eats it when offered, he gets a takeaway every night, sometimes in the early hours, waking us up. I haven’t ever actually had a conversation with J, he acknowledges me with a nod when he sees me in the house and that’s it. He knows I don’t like him, he is taking advantage of my daughter. He hasn’t once taken my DD out on a date.

They were both off work yesterday. I was aware that he had been allowed a visit with his child, and that DD would be going. DD was very excited to meet his child. I didn’t agree with it, but saying anything would have been futile. I was told they were getting the train to pick him up (child lives in the next town over) going for lunch and to the park and then taking him back to his mum. I finished work early and came home at 3 and opened the door to find the child playing in my hallway, with DD sat in the living room with the door open watching him. J had gone to the shop.

DD hasn’t ever really been around young children, she would haven’t a clue what to do if he’d have had a tantrum and the child was playing next to our heater which was on full blast. I was not at all comfortable with this and read DD the riot act about how this is the first time she has met this child and that it was incredibly inappropriate for J to leave her with him. J was gone for a further half an hour. DD said they went to the park and it was closed off (don’t believe) so J thought it made sense to come here. She said J’s ex (who, I’m told was completely under the impression they WERE at the park/going for lunch and not at mine) is considering letting him have weekly contact and J wants to be able to bring him here as he can’t take him to his mate’s house. I told her in no uncertain terms, no. My house is not a contact centre. DD naively said she thought I’d like it and it’d be like having a grandchild for me.

I had her ring J, find out which shop he was in and then sent her off with the child (who had a pram, thank god as I don’t have a bloody car seat to ferry him about) to meet him so they could take him home.

DD and J don’t get what my problem is. I barely know J. What if something had happened to the child in my house under my DD’s care? In my opinion, taking the child to his new girlfriend’s house when the mother is under the impression they are at the park constitutes a form of low-level abduction, and I wanted no part in the deception.

OP posts:
Firecarrier · 19/10/2022 20:07

Anxiernie · 19/10/2022 19:54

She has a job, but what is her planned career? How is she going to support herself long term?

Why does everybody have to have long-term career goals and work in some kind of profession or go to uni? Lots of people get by with just a job, it's not a sign of some sort of failure. Maybe she would be happy with "just" a job. You can work your way up from there. She could start working in Gregg's and then become the manager eventually as my friend did, or maybe she would be happy being a teaching assistant or working in a supermarket. Nothing wrong with that.

Exactly, lots of us lower class plebs manage this way 😉

But there is often a particular demographic on here...

sugarrosepetal · 19/10/2022 20:12

Your daughter is young and thinks what she has been shown by J is love and the adult responsibility she may be craving to be like some of her peers. However, please educate her about coercive control, gaslighting, love bombing and abuse when he is not there. This guy is very bad news. If you can, request a background check on him. I guarantee the mother of his child will not be the crazy witch he portrays her as and he has indeed been chucked out for a very good reason. Hiddenhurt.com and the equality wheel, and power and control wheel are good resources. Reiterate that abuse comes in many forms and starts off in an insidious, inconspicuous way at first and gets ramped up slowly by blowing hot and cold with the victim until they question their own reality and own boundaries. You're a brilliant parent, don't let J make her think you're not. That's one of the first tactics they use. X

woodhill · 19/10/2022 20:13

He hasn't got off to a very good start though.

I would want the same for my dc as OP in regards to a partner as everything is so expensive especially housing

Wheresmywoolyjumpers · 19/10/2022 20:18

Its your house - you dont want this. That is all the explanation you need.

crymeout · 19/10/2022 20:19

Hi OP,

I think that everything you've done so far is right. I think it'll get harder from here, the longer they're together the more she'll get emotionally attached and the more you try and push him away that stage, the more she'll (probably) run to him.

I would try and see if she'd be willing to get the coil or implant, reiterate it's 5 years long so she'll still be so young when she gets it out and if she agrees, go with her to the appointment (not saying go in). That's only if she's on board with it though and of course, there's no guarantee she won't go in secret to have it taken out (and it wouldn't surprise me if he persuades her because he sounds so dodgy).

I would make it clear to her that if she gets pregnant, you'll support her regardless of her decisions but he won't be welcome to move in at all.

WeepingSomnambulist · 19/10/2022 20:24

First thing first; ask her if she wants the contraceptive injection or the implant. Tell her the pill is too easy to forget so which other one would she like, then make the appointment and go with her.
If she refuses, then sit down for a serious talk about this. About everything you've said here. About men like this, about getting pregnant at this age as a way in and your worry that she is imagining a lovely family life etc.

It is time to be blunt but get her on the implant or the injections now!

Lavenderflower · 19/10/2022 20:25

I wouldn't allow this man in my house and I definitely would not allow his child.
He may be quite predatory. Perhaps he is planning to get your daughter pregnant so that he can get free accommodation. I would encourage your daughter to get contraception.

Nanny0gg · 19/10/2022 20:27

Quitelikeit · 19/10/2022 18:58

Op

i know you are worried but your hatred of this person is sad. They’ll never last it’s fine to show some kindness surely?

For what reason on this earth should she show kindness to this feckless excuse for a man?

Good grief!

Liorae · 19/10/2022 20:28

GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing · 19/10/2022 18:31

Yanbu at all

i would go further and ban J from the house altogether. He’s obviously the kind to take a mile if given an inch.

I don’t think it’s akin to abduction, but I do think it’s a sign of the way he hopes things will go, and extremely cheeky. Honestly, like a grandchild for you.

Your Dd is only three years older than mine, which is a horribly sobering thought.

I agree with the banning from the house. When it sinks in that free accommodation is not in his future he'll find someone else to latch on to and try to get his feet under her table.

Nanny0gg · 19/10/2022 20:29

Anxiernie · 19/10/2022 19:54

She has a job, but what is her planned career? How is she going to support herself long term?

Why does everybody have to have long-term career goals and work in some kind of profession or go to uni? Lots of people get by with just a job, it's not a sign of some sort of failure. Maybe she would be happy with "just" a job. You can work your way up from there. She could start working in Gregg's and then become the manager eventually as my friend did, or maybe she would be happy being a teaching assistant or working in a supermarket. Nothing wrong with that.

Of course there isn't. As long as you earn enough to at least get by.

But you have to do something.

Chickenwing2 · 19/10/2022 20:30

I think you are being a pushover. Why did you allow him to stay? Its your house and your daughter is only 17. Also when he ordered the takeaways at 3am what did you do? Did you get angry and kick him out?

Have an honest conversation with your daughter about what a life with him would involve, and make it clear it wont include your support.

PhilInt · 19/10/2022 20:33

I know you are scared of where your daughter will go if you ban him from your house however if your daughter's situation isn't quite as beneficial for him he may move on.

Reigateforever · 19/10/2022 20:33

I would be so worried about my DD falling pregnant that I would be looking for her packet of pills without her knowing just to see she is up to date. I realize she could be throwing them away if she knew she was being snooped on. Or checking on her period dates and need for tampons. Good luck.

bewarethetides · 19/10/2022 20:35

You need to make it clear that if she gets pregnant, neither of them will be living with you. Having a baby is something grown ups who can support themselves and pay their own bills do. Neither your DD or her cocklodging, potentially abusive boyfriend, can do this.

crostina1 · 19/10/2022 20:39

The reason why I wasn’t comfortable with DD being alone with the child (other than the principal of it) is that she has never been around young children. We had her older and all her cousins etc much older. My Dsis has grandchildren but DD hasn’t been present when I’ve seen them. She held a baby once 10 years ago. She wouldn’t have had a clue what to do if J’s child had a tantrum. The child was playing near the heater.

I am not blaming DD for this, J is a prick who was trying to take advantage. He’d gone to ‘the shop’ but there was a big hoo ha about the shop not having what he needed so he went to another one bla bla bla. I think it was an attempt to have DD bond with child? It’s all part of the manipulation. When I discussed if she needed contraception advice DD admitted he doesn’t ‘like’ condoms and didn’t ask her if she was on the pill until they’d already done it several bloody times.

It’s obvious what his goal is (freeloading in our house) and I’m sure he’ll use any tactic necessary to achieve it.

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MuchuseasaChocolateTeapot · 19/10/2022 20:41

OP. I have read your replies but not the full thread so I apologise if I am repeating others. I would try and get her to consider long term contraception such as the implant or coil so conceiving is a choice. If it was my daughter I would do a few things I think:

  1. I would make her life far more interesting without him. I would book theatre tickets, Alton Towers for her and her BF (or me?) or even a holiday. Just show her how dull life is with him.
  2. You don’t mention her future plans. Is she planning on Uni or apprenticeship or taking driving lessons etc. if she is start making steps in that direction with her. Show her the possibilities in life and ask her what she wants to achieve.
  3. Work on her self esteem. Tell her she’s fabulous, look out world, X is coming for you etc. anything to make her feel good and excited about the future.
  4. others may disagree with this but I find either making a passing comment about how much she is at home at the moment or even better, sort of sympathising with her situation might make her realise how small her life has become.

I agree with engaging with him, even though he sounds horrendous. I would be interfering and make him interact and hope he hates it and moves on.

good luck OP. You sound lovely and I hope your daughter realises she’s worth more x

crostina1 · 19/10/2022 20:42

I am distraught tbh. She wanted to become a paramedic and I can feel it all dissolving in front of my eyes. He’s a parasite sucking away her life force. I just know she will end up getting pregnant.

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GeorgeorRuth · 19/10/2022 20:44

I think that total opposition to him will prolong the relationship. I would try to get him closer but with boundaries. Keep your friends close and your enemies even closer .

I would say no overnights, leaving by 11.

Otherwise I would say you want to get to know him better, family meals, walk on a Sunday, watching TV together as a family.
Then lots of 'what are you doing Saturday, why don't you take DD to the cinema?' 'when are you moving to a flat J?'
'when you have a full time job J, are you planning on a holiday with DD?'
'Why do you want to do long term J, travel? ' all that type of conversation. You know full well he will never have the money!

Then with DD, point out other young couples doing fun stuff, say 'why doesn't J do that for you?'
Make him squirm.

I would also point out that she's on her own if she gets pregnant. Old enough to have a child, Old enough to sort herself out.

Although I'm sure he is filling her head of you have my baby the council will have to give us a place. So that could be risky.

PhilInt · 19/10/2022 20:45

@MuchuseasaChocolateTeapot has it actually. Excellent advice. And I think they meant BF being best friend not boyfriend 😅

crostina1 · 19/10/2022 20:46

If I ban him from the house though potentially she will be pushed closer to him. He could still benefit from her by convincing her to go full time at work and dropping her studies so they can afford to live together.

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DodgyLeftLeg · 19/10/2022 20:49

I just feel terrible for you OP and your DD. I’m so angry reading this, what a manipulative shit he is. Have you researched him on social media?

Obki · 19/10/2022 20:50

Then give your son as the reason for why he can’t stay overnight at all. He needs to be gone by 10pm and he can only come over on weekends.

crostina1 · 19/10/2022 20:51

Searching his name reveals a court appearance article mentioning a crime he did at 18, affray with a group of lads. I mentioned this to DD and she bit my head off for stalking him.

His SM is private.

OP posts:
MuchuseasaChocolateTeapot · 19/10/2022 20:51

PhilInt · 19/10/2022 20:45

@MuchuseasaChocolateTeapot has it actually. Excellent advice. And I think they meant BF being best friend not boyfriend 😅

Ooops I did mean best friend, sorry! And thank you for the nice comment. I have an 18 year old daughter and this thread fills me with rage at the thought of someone stunting her life!

Loopyloopy · 19/10/2022 20:52

You sound very sensible, OP. Well done on getting her on the pill. I would be getting her the implant or mirena asap. Do you think she would agree?

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