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To not want DD’s boyfriend’s child in my house

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crostina1 · 19/10/2022 14:27

This happened yesterday and DD doesn’t get why I am annoyed. My 17 year old DD has a new boyfriend of 22 (will call him J) who she met at work. They got together 2 months ago, and it has moved very fast. He only works 15 hours a week and doesn’t do more because of his ‘mental health’. He had a tough upbringing (DD won’t give the details) and isn’t in contact with any of his family. He has a just turned 3 year old son with an ex who he sees once evey few months. He lives in his friend’s family’s spare room but is outstaying his welcome and needs to be out by Christmas. He is making no plans for this whatsoever, I know the place they work would bite his hand off if he asked them for full-time hours, they are very understaffed and he could then he could a bedsit or rent a bedroom. But he will not consider this.

I caught on to what he was doing straight away. He came to stay over one night and stayed for 5, it was obvious he was trying to move in for free accommodation. I put my foot down and said he can only stay 1 night at a time, and no more than 1 night a week as this is our family home and we have DD’s autistic brother to think about, who is unsettled having a stranger in the home. J makes no effort with us at all. DH cooks every night and J never eats it when offered, he gets a takeaway every night, sometimes in the early hours, waking us up. I haven’t ever actually had a conversation with J, he acknowledges me with a nod when he sees me in the house and that’s it. He knows I don’t like him, he is taking advantage of my daughter. He hasn’t once taken my DD out on a date.

They were both off work yesterday. I was aware that he had been allowed a visit with his child, and that DD would be going. DD was very excited to meet his child. I didn’t agree with it, but saying anything would have been futile. I was told they were getting the train to pick him up (child lives in the next town over) going for lunch and to the park and then taking him back to his mum. I finished work early and came home at 3 and opened the door to find the child playing in my hallway, with DD sat in the living room with the door open watching him. J had gone to the shop.

DD hasn’t ever really been around young children, she would haven’t a clue what to do if he’d have had a tantrum and the child was playing next to our heater which was on full blast. I was not at all comfortable with this and read DD the riot act about how this is the first time she has met this child and that it was incredibly inappropriate for J to leave her with him. J was gone for a further half an hour. DD said they went to the park and it was closed off (don’t believe) so J thought it made sense to come here. She said J’s ex (who, I’m told was completely under the impression they WERE at the park/going for lunch and not at mine) is considering letting him have weekly contact and J wants to be able to bring him here as he can’t take him to his mate’s house. I told her in no uncertain terms, no. My house is not a contact centre. DD naively said she thought I’d like it and it’d be like having a grandchild for me.

I had her ring J, find out which shop he was in and then sent her off with the child (who had a pram, thank god as I don’t have a bloody car seat to ferry him about) to meet him so they could take him home.

DD and J don’t get what my problem is. I barely know J. What if something had happened to the child in my house under my DD’s care? In my opinion, taking the child to his new girlfriend’s house when the mother is under the impression they are at the park constitutes a form of low-level abduction, and I wanted no part in the deception.

OP posts:
LittleSisterLeavingTown · 19/10/2022 18:30

Dweetfidilove · 19/10/2022 18:25

Are you referring to the cocklodger's son or the OP's poor child?

Whilst I'd feel sorry for the child having J as his dad, I wouldn't entertain him using my home as a contact point either.

I'm referring to cocklodger's son.
OP's daughter will soon tire of this loser, but right now she and her mum (OP) have a chance, briefly, to make a positive impact on a child's life.

Most of us have had at least one loser boyfriend and we got over it.

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GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing · 19/10/2022 18:31

Yanbu at all

i would go further and ban J from the house altogether. He’s obviously the kind to take a mile if given an inch.

I don’t think it’s akin to abduction, but I do think it’s a sign of the way he hopes things will go, and extremely cheeky. Honestly, like a grandchild for you.

Your Dd is only three years older than mine, which is a horribly sobering thought.

Whitepouringglue · 19/10/2022 18:31

I don't think a 17 year old should be quite so clueless with a child though. I was babysitting very competently at that age.

It was patronising of you to talk about her practising being an adult. That was just nasty really.

isadoradancing123 · 19/10/2022 18:32

To quote Megan Markle……. Tell your daughter to aspire higher

Emotionalsupportviper · 19/10/2022 18:33

pinheadlarry · 19/10/2022 17:18

Dont project your ideas on to me

I'm with @Obki - idle curiosity is NOT a good reason to pry into someone's life.

Cocklodgers come in all shapes, sizes, colours and creeds - there is no "one size fits all" . The only thing the have in common is that they are all self-centred manipulative *rseholes.

Perhaps you think you recognise him. It's unlikely - he could be any one of a million useless blokes. They're everywhere you look.

Like cockroaches.

Obki · 19/10/2022 18:35

Emotionalsupportviper · 19/10/2022 18:33

I'm with @Obki - idle curiosity is NOT a good reason to pry into someone's life.

Cocklodgers come in all shapes, sizes, colours and creeds - there is no "one size fits all" . The only thing the have in common is that they are all self-centred manipulative *rseholes.

Perhaps you think you recognise him. It's unlikely - he could be any one of a million useless blokes. They're everywhere you look.

Like cockroaches.

💯 agree

DowntonCrabby · 19/10/2022 18:36

Haven’t RTFT so someone has maybe suggested this but would DD read this thread? Shes hopefully get the message that it’s not her Mum being a cow, it’s 100’s of women screaming that he’s a walking red flag and that she’s worth so so much more.

Watapalava · 19/10/2022 18:38

Don’t let him stay

you need clear boundaries

hes banned from your house end of

he will get bored when he realises his plan won’t work

let de know if she gets pregnant she will be welcome to stay as it’s her home but he will never be allowed to move in

you are enabling it

HereForTheCommentsB · 19/10/2022 18:38

Boomboom22 · 19/10/2022 14:45

Also yes he might have mh issues and a terrible childhood, in fact this makes for not good parenting or relationship material. And he won't earn enough to grow up. She needs to leave this one.

I'm sorry but this is an awful thing to say! I had an awful childhood and have mental health issues but have managed to raise wonderful, happy children and maintain relationships! Genuinely disgusting comment.

OP I think you're completely in the right here (and NOT because of the reasons in the post I've quoted!). He is using your young daughter, he is disrespectful in your home and puts in no effort to build a relationship with you. If he is on a low wage he could have gotten legal aid to fight to see his child if the reason is only his ex is 'evil' (we know she was smart not letting him have much contact) I feel so sorry for his DC in the middle of this, they couldn't even be bothered taking him to the park and in the limited time he had to see his child, he left!

Hopefully your DD sees sense. Definitely don't push her away which I know will be difficult when you don't agree with her choice. I hope everything works out for you both.

Worthyornot · 19/10/2022 18:48

First off I would remind your dd she is still a child at 17 and tell her she needs to get her priorities right. Having a 22 year old bf, with no ambition and a child in tow is not aspirational or what she should be aiming for. I would put an end to this rubbish and tell her quite firmly she needs to get her head screwed on properly. A 17yo child playing step mummy, that's laughable. what is she doing with her life op? Studying, working towards anything?

Limosella · 19/10/2022 18:51

I have a feeling that however much the OP tells her DD that Cocklodger cannot use her house as the contact place for his child it will happen if there is no one there to stop it. i.e. everyone else is out at work. I would be WFH random days possibly if I could

mauvish · 19/10/2022 18:51

One good thing - the OP mentions that her DD is taking the pill, albeit maybe not reliably. But the fact that she's got a prescription implies that she has thought about avoiding pregnancy.

So I'd be capitalising on this BIG TIME. Not many teens take the pill, they all seem to prefer methods that are reliable without having to have much user input -- I'd be doing whatever I could to get her down the clinic and something in her arm ASAP.

The danger is that any delay is going to increase the risk of pregnancy (she's at her most fertile age right now, ugh, and sadly we've seen that J doesn't shoot blanks). And if she gets pregnant, that is a consequence to carry for the rest of her life --- whilst most of us move on pretty quickly from an uncomplicated unsuitable relationship at age 17, no matter how heartbroken we were at the time!

On another note, I will put money on J smoking weed, and lots of it (yes, I'm stereotyping but stereotypes exist for a reason!) And if he seems to have more money than his work&benefits might allow well, maybe he's making a bit on the side too. As well as any other rules, I'd have a really strict NO DRUGS policy in the house. (As I used to say to my DD, look after your brain, you've only got one and it won't grow back if you damage it -)

Worthyornot · 19/10/2022 18:53

billy1966 · 19/10/2022 17:56

Totally normal in my circle.

Only on MN do teens try and succeed in moving wasters of both sexes in without a conversation.

My children would no more think this would happen in our house.
Friends staying over, no problem.
Casual sexual partners, not a chance.

I am a largely Yes parent but I would no more tolerate scum like that in my home.

I also would report his behaviour with that child to 101.
No way would I be complicit in that.

Same here. I wasn't raised that way and wouldn't allow it myself. At 17 she is a child. I'm amazed how casual MN is about teen children having boyfriends and partners at 14 even, ok with their children having sex in their homes, or even allowing this situation in the first place. I wasn't allowed to do any of this, and I didn't run off having sex at the back in the woods. I have young dc, but in our circle those with teens are nothing like what's described on here.

Slimevstheblackhole · 19/10/2022 18:53

This makes me feel sick tbh. I really feel for you. This is outing but when I was 15 I met a man on the internet he was 25. I really loved him (I had very very low self esteem) my parents hated him. They tried everything to keep us apart and then they tried being nice to him, they even called the police (late 90s not interested) he was a terrible human being. I didn't go to college and failed my gcse's got pregnant (had miscarriage) he was addicted to weed and cigarettes I worked ever hour under the sun. He raped and beat me regularly and held a knife to my throat and cracked 2 of my vertebrae. I was with him for 4 years. It's 20 years later and thankfully I'm ok now. I really feel for you and support your daughter and try and get this scum bag away.

saltinesandcoffeecups · 19/10/2022 18:54

crostina1 · 19/10/2022 16:42

She’s on the pill but is forgetful and thinks the sun shines out of J’s arse and I can see her wanting a ‘family’ with him. I’ll eat my hat if she isn’t pregnant by the end of the year 😥

Ok, this is actionable… before things go too far off the rails with your relationship with her get her on the Depo shot at the very least, implants if you’re able. That will buy you some time for the warts to start make an appearance in this relationship between her and J.

Quitelikeit · 19/10/2022 18:58

Op

i know you are worried but your hatred of this person is sad. They’ll never last it’s fine to show some kindness surely?

Nizanb · 19/10/2022 18:58

I wasn't allowed to do any of this, and I didn't run off having sex at the back in the woods.

But some do, I definitely did and I wasn't allowed boyfriends to stay over but I was determined to have sex anyway. Leaving bedroom through the window in middle night etc.

MeridianB · 19/10/2022 18:59

ChocFrog · 19/10/2022 14:39

J is bad news.

Ban J from your house. You don’t have to put up with this and you don’t have to be polite about it either. Your DD needs a reality check, not indulgently pretending this relationship is ok.

Tell your DD that she may like him, and that is up to her, but you dislike him, and that is up to you. Say that in your eyes he’s a creep: he’s sleeping with a teenager 5 years younger than himself, he’s already got a child but refuses to get a full time job to support that child, and negligently left that child in the care of an unfamiliar teenager in an unfamiliar house, without the permission of either the child’s mother or the house’s owner.

Tell DD that you can see she is making a mistake by being in a relationship with him and you strongly recommend she break up with him. You can’t insist she do so but you can ban someone you don’t trust or like from your house and from now on he is banned. Not allowed in over the threshold. If be doesn’t like that, he can a job and rent his own home.

Just read all your posts, OP. As is often the case, some of the best comments are made on the first page, and this one from @ChocFrog nails it. The age gap is creepy, even without all his other serious failings.

Really great to hear you’ve got your head screwed on and see him for what he is. You and DH need to keep him out of the house. No more staying over or ordering deliveries in the middle of night (are you sure it’s food he’s ordering…..?).

Anxiernie · 19/10/2022 19:05

Also yes he might have mh issues and a terrible childhood, in fact this makes for not good parenting

Aye, people with mental health problems just shouldn't be allowed children. 🙄

HappySonHappyMum · 19/10/2022 19:09

If she's still at school have you got some family you could send her to for a couple of weeks to break his hold over her? Kill him with kindness - get him 'involved' in your household - get him cooking for you all once a week, give him chores on your rota. Have a family movie or games night - he'll bloody hate it and will be off like a shot. Talk to him lots. Ask him questions that he can't answer yes or no to. Also if he stays more than two nights ask him for a contribution for the energy he's using. Lay out house rules. No take away deliveries after a certain time. Be firm. Stand up for your family. If you know what he's up to make it difficult for him. The consequences are clear and may happen anyway so at least fight fire with fire. Don't make it easy for him.

Caroffee · 19/10/2022 19:17

RagzRebooted · 19/10/2022 14:31

YANBU and it is refreshing to see a post where the OP already has sensible boundaries and has made their points early on. Seriously, kudos! You are 100% in the right.
Also, this isn't going to end well, as I'm sure you know, so try not to fall out with DD as she will not end up in a good place if she moves out with the potential cocklodger.

She can always return home when she has lived and learned.

Cantstandbullshit · 19/10/2022 19:17

upanddownandupanddown · 19/10/2022 14:40

Sorry. I couldn’t get past the fact you said he can’t work more then 15 hours a week because of his ‘mental health’. I can only
work three days a week because of my mental health; mental health problems are real and can be really limiting to someone’s life. So for that, YABU.

Mental health problems are real, and we also age people using mental health as an excuse to be deadbeats and abusive cocklodgers like this person.

Because this person is the way he is does not mean everyone with mental health is trying to use it an excuse to abuse people and vice versa.

Supersimkin2 · 19/10/2022 19:18

MH is irrelevant here but he’s used it as leverage. It’s his only lever. It doesn’t work.

He doesn’t love your DD. Get him out. Whatever it takes. He’ll find accommodation via the council, altho he’ll say he can’t.

GCMM · 19/10/2022 19:18

I would start with one simple and uncontroversial thing - no guest comes to my house and orders in their own food. They join in our meal and eat what we provide. It's beyond rude to do anything else. Any objection from the bf, then show him the door.

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