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Suella Braverman. Is she always like that or is she unwell?

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newnamethanks · 19/10/2022 10:34

Dear Lord above, I've seen people removed and banned from pubs for less. She's the Home Secretary. What have we come to?

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TheGhostOfLiz · 20/10/2022 08:44

Or, at least, I've never heard it when referred to politics. Only IT systems?

citroenpresse · 20/10/2022 08:48

What happens if there is a snap election (instead of in 2024, as anticipated)? Some of the elements of the last Election Act can’t happen eg secondary legislation needed for overseas voters, but photo iD? At least 2 million voter cards would need to be printed. Boundary commission? But GE before Christmas looking ever more likely?

PerkingFaintly · 20/10/2022 08:51

I think it should have been "competent", but the poster's autocorrect fell over in astonishment because "competent government" hasn't been a frequent occurrence recently.

TheGhostOfLiz · 20/10/2022 09:09

PerkingFaintly · 20/10/2022 08:51

I think it should have been "competent", but the poster's autocorrect fell over in astonishment because "competent government" hasn't been a frequent occurrence recently.

Ah Blush

That's obvious now I see it with fresh eyes.

Zilla1 · 20/10/2022 09:27

Boris prepares for government ...

Thatsasmashingblouseyouvegoton · 20/10/2022 09:35

Zilla1 · 20/10/2022 09:27

Boris prepares for government ...

Not sure how he can
He's abroad arm I believe?
How can the 50+ mps who said they could not work with him as pm accept it?
It would cause even more chaos than we are seeing atm

vera99 · 20/10/2022 09:55

Mobiledesktop · 20/10/2022 07:31

I thought that what the media did to Corbyn was a disgrace, but that's what they do now. One manufactured outrage after the next. And the BBC and Guardian even piled in, because when it comes down to it they really don't have a shred of decency.
At the moment the Conservatives are trying to appease the broadcast media who are becoming increasingly influential whilst the papers are declining. I'd personally like to see a strong politician take these so called "Journalists" down a peg or two. They are just trying to fuel the 24 hour news cycle.
As for Labour, they will do a lot better than last time but it won't be a decisive victory unless they take large numbers of seats of the SNP.
And as for component government, the next Labour government will contain Angela Raynor and a whole host of other people who didn't get the job because they were even remotely the best person but because they were shortlisted due to their gender or ethnicity.
That party really has been hollowed out of competent people.

There are establishment red lines - unconditional support for US foreign policy, respect for the freedom of international capital, support for Trident and the nuclear "deterrence". Any threats to these red lines will involve the full force of the media against many such leaders or policies and that includes the Guardian and the "impartial" BBC. The rebellion of the bond vigilantes against the so-called mini-budget shows the instant and crushing power they have if they don't get their way policy-wise. Anyone who steps outside of these "norms" can expect unremitting and relentless attacks right across the media. Jeremy never stood a chance despite being no more radical than say Swedish or Norwegian social democrats. But despite all that he got a majority of the English U65 vote.

2017 Election
Tories 13,636,684
Labour 12,877,918

www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/06/22/jeremy-corbyn-claims-mi5-mi6-deliberately-undermined-leadership/

Jeremy Corbyn has alleged that he was “deliberately” undermined by MI5 and MI6 after meetings with the security services during his time as Labour leader.
Mr Corbyn, who led the party between 2015 and 2020, also claimed the military gave him a “warning” over his opposition to airstrikes in Syria in 2015.
The former leader of the opposition had refused to back the UK’s Trident nuclear deterrent during his tenure and did not directly condemn Moscow after the Salisbury poisoning in 2018.
In the September of that year, he was reportedly “summoned” by Andrew Parker, the then director-general of MI5, for a “facts of life” talk in light of controversy surrounding his policy positions.
Two months later, The Telegraph learned he had also met Alex Younger, the then head of MI6, in anticipation of a snap election triggered by the collapse of Brexit talks.
‘Leaked in a way to undermine’
A senior security source said at the time that Mr Corbyn had received an in-depth briefing about the work of MI6 where it was stressed to him that the organisation does not pursue its own agenda.
But in an interview on Wednesday with the Declassified UK website – which describes itself as challenging the “secret state” – Mr Corbyn, 73, accused the security services of “leaking” details of the exchanges.
He said: “I instructed my office that this meeting had to be treated as completely confidential. And it was. It was leaked by them and it was leaked in a way to undermine. That somehow or other I’d been summoned and given a dressing down.
“That was not the nature of the meeting at all. They acknowledged I had a different view from themselves and the Government and the meetings were… pretty frank. Were they aggressive? No. It was an intelligent discussion.
“Obviously it was all recorded. Obviously it was all then leaked out as a way to be deliberately undermining of me.”

Suella Braverman.  Is she always like that or is she unwell?
vera99 · 20/10/2022 10:12

Shit it's like a 60-episode box set and I've got work to do and I'm on episode 37.

Beth Rigby
NEW: Labour granted UQ c10.30am from Yvette Cooper, calling the new Home Sec Shapps to the HoC to ask about the departure of Braverman

citroenpresse · 20/10/2022 10:32

To suggest that potential Labour candidates should not be near power and are going to be worse than some of the current members is rather missing the point.
There are MPs working currently who shouldn't be anywhere near power - the intended recipient of Braverman's missive (who I'd never heard of), for example. Pretty much all of the Government.

AlecTrevelyan006 · 20/10/2022 10:33

vera99 · 20/10/2022 10:12

Shit it's like a 60-episode box set and I've got work to do and I'm on episode 37.

Beth Rigby
NEW: Labour granted UQ c10.30am from Yvette Cooper, calling the new Home Sec Shapps to the HoC to ask about the departure of Braverman

Emma Thompson as Liz Truss
David Harewood as Kwasi Kwarteng
Sunetra Sarker as Suella Braverman
Benedict Cumberbatch as Jacob Rees Mogg
David Tenant as Jeremy Hunt
Colin Firth as Keir Starmer
Sheriden Smith as Angela Rayner

AlecTrevelyan006 · 20/10/2022 10:34

Kathy Burke as Theresa Coffey

vera99 · 20/10/2022 10:35

citroenpresse · 20/10/2022 10:32

To suggest that potential Labour candidates should not be near power and are going to be worse than some of the current members is rather missing the point.
There are MPs working currently who shouldn't be anywhere near power - the intended recipient of Braverman's missive (who I'd never heard of), for example. Pretty much all of the Government.

And Grant Shapps spiv and sneak extraordinaire.

After the departure of Suella Braverman after just 44 days in the job, the new Home Secretary is Grant Shapps who previously pretended to be a "multimillion dollar web marketer" called Michael Green in a dodgy get rich quick scheme flogging content scraping software designed to steal other people's creative content.
Shapps/Green also used the false aliases Corinne Stockheath and Sebastian Fox to recommend this content-stealing software.
Eventually Google cottoned on to what Shapps/Green was up to and began blacklisting any website that used his content-stealing software to generate fake content, meaning if you fell for his dodgy 'get rich quick' scheme and actually paid him money, you'd end up with worse search engine rankings than if you'd done nothing.
An individual like this is clearly unfit to be an MP, let alone the person responsible for overseeing law and order in the UK.
But we live in a country with a completely dysfunctional political establishment, and a complicit media class that outright refuses to properly hold them to account.
I mean if a bone-idle, bigoted, lying, philandering oaf like Boris Johnson, and a vacuous and incompetent dullard like Liz Truss can serve as Prime Ministers, why wouldn't we end up with a former Internet con artist as Home Secretary?

Suella Braverman.  Is she always like that or is she unwell?
pointythings · 20/10/2022 10:40

@AlecTrevelyan006 excellent casting suggestions. Would definitely watch.

vera99 · 20/10/2022 10:41

AlecTrevelyan006 · 20/10/2022 10:33

Emma Thompson as Liz Truss
David Harewood as Kwasi Kwarteng
Sunetra Sarker as Suella Braverman
Benedict Cumberbatch as Jacob Rees Mogg
David Tenant as Jeremy Hunt
Colin Firth as Keir Starmer
Sheriden Smith as Angela Rayner

😂Harry Enfield as King Charles - can you imagine the meeting this week... oh dear, oh dear, oh dear

"Could I ever so politely suggest Prime Minster that you just feck off - it's not working is it ?"

The King holds a weekly Audience with the Prime Minister to discuss Government matters. The Audience is entirely private. Though The King remains politically neutral on all matters, he is able to 'advise and warn' his ministers - including her Prime Minister - when necessary.

vera99 · 20/10/2022 10:44

Or maybe says "Andrew has a lot of time on his hands I'll leave him with you if you don't mind "

PerkingFaintly · 20/10/2022 11:01

Robert Webb as Grant Shapps, obviously.

citroenpresse · 20/10/2022 11:05

Lesley Manville as Yvette Cooper?

StrychnineInTheSandwiches · 20/10/2022 11:11

I think the mum from Outnumbered would make a good Yvette Cooper.

vera99 · 20/10/2022 11:12

Michael Sheen in pretty much any male role or rebooting Blair as he advises Sir Keir (Colin Firth) behind the scenes. They could be filmed through a window having a beer and curry together in the opening shot.

vera99 · 20/10/2022 11:13

PerkingFaintly · 20/10/2022 11:01

Robert Webb as Grant Shapps, obviously.

Oh yes - perfect.

IrisVersicolor · 20/10/2022 11:14

PerkingFaintly · 20/10/2022 11:01

Robert Webb as Grant Shapps, obviously.

Slam Dunk.

David Mitchell as Michael Gove.

Mobiledesktop · 20/10/2022 11:16

vera99 · 20/10/2022 09:55

There are establishment red lines - unconditional support for US foreign policy, respect for the freedom of international capital, support for Trident and the nuclear "deterrence". Any threats to these red lines will involve the full force of the media against many such leaders or policies and that includes the Guardian and the "impartial" BBC. The rebellion of the bond vigilantes against the so-called mini-budget shows the instant and crushing power they have if they don't get their way policy-wise. Anyone who steps outside of these "norms" can expect unremitting and relentless attacks right across the media. Jeremy never stood a chance despite being no more radical than say Swedish or Norwegian social democrats. But despite all that he got a majority of the English U65 vote.

2017 Election
Tories 13,636,684
Labour 12,877,918

www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/06/22/jeremy-corbyn-claims-mi5-mi6-deliberately-undermined-leadership/

Jeremy Corbyn has alleged that he was “deliberately” undermined by MI5 and MI6 after meetings with the security services during his time as Labour leader.
Mr Corbyn, who led the party between 2015 and 2020, also claimed the military gave him a “warning” over his opposition to airstrikes in Syria in 2015.
The former leader of the opposition had refused to back the UK’s Trident nuclear deterrent during his tenure and did not directly condemn Moscow after the Salisbury poisoning in 2018.
In the September of that year, he was reportedly “summoned” by Andrew Parker, the then director-general of MI5, for a “facts of life” talk in light of controversy surrounding his policy positions.
Two months later, The Telegraph learned he had also met Alex Younger, the then head of MI6, in anticipation of a snap election triggered by the collapse of Brexit talks.
‘Leaked in a way to undermine’
A senior security source said at the time that Mr Corbyn had received an in-depth briefing about the work of MI6 where it was stressed to him that the organisation does not pursue its own agenda.
But in an interview on Wednesday with the Declassified UK website – which describes itself as challenging the “secret state” – Mr Corbyn, 73, accused the security services of “leaking” details of the exchanges.
He said: “I instructed my office that this meeting had to be treated as completely confidential. And it was. It was leaked by them and it was leaked in a way to undermine. That somehow or other I’d been summoned and given a dressing down.
“That was not the nature of the meeting at all. They acknowledged I had a different view from themselves and the Government and the meetings were… pretty frank. Were they aggressive? No. It was an intelligent discussion.
“Obviously it was all recorded. Obviously it was all then leaked out as a way to be deliberately undermining of me.”

I totally agree with you on this. That's why I take every hysterical media hyped story with a pinch of salt.
What your average Mumsnetter doesn't seem to realize is that next week it could be Kier Starmer on the receiving end of an antagonist "journalist" whose only consideration is their own career .

PerkingFaintly · 20/10/2022 11:26

There's definitely a part in there for David Bamber (the oleaginous Mr Collins), but I can't think who.

Tom Hollander in a flashback to John Bercow.

vera99 · 20/10/2022 11:30

PerkingFaintly · 20/10/2022 11:26

There's definitely a part in there for David Bamber (the oleaginous Mr Collins), but I can't think who.

Tom Hollander in a flashback to John Bercow.

As Chris Bryant the valiant sword and hammer of truth - particularly for the lobby fight scene as he snaps away at the chaos.

tbf it could be worse...

StrychnineInTheSandwiches · 20/10/2022 11:33

Alison Steadman as Nadine Dorries