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Suella Braverman. Is she always like that or is she unwell?

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newnamethanks · 19/10/2022 10:34

Dear Lord above, I've seen people removed and banned from pubs for less. She's the Home Secretary. What have we come to?

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ThatshallotBaby · 19/10/2022 22:08

I’m a woman who doesn’t want trans women in women only spaces.
I have never and will never ever vote Conservative

Thatsasmashingblouseyouvegoton · 19/10/2022 22:08

ThatshallotBaby · 19/10/2022 22:08

I’m a woman who doesn’t want trans women in women only spaces.
I have never and will never ever vote Conservative

Ditto

PerkingFaintly · 19/10/2022 22:08

See also
"Put your trust in the Tories because they know how to run an economy;"
and
"Put your trust in the Tories because they're patriotic and put country first."

Pure delusion. But strangely persistent beliefs.

justasking111 · 19/10/2022 22:08

Do you suppose she Monika Lewinsky'd her way to the top job. 😂

lightisnotwhite · 19/10/2022 22:09

Junebughustle · 19/10/2022 10:53

I've tried really hard to see any evidence of intelligence from her, and I really can't find any.

She is a big fan of making statements without any evidence whatsoever, the sort of statements I'd expect from rabid conspiracy theorists in the comments sections of local news Facebook pages. How did she get this job??

She got into Cambridge though? Read law and is a barrister. Lived in France for two years as part the Erasmus scheme. I mean really she’s had a MN dream career (go to the Higher Education thread if you need evidence of how much Oxbridge means).
Surely we can’t be saying that all that success academically can still make you a knobber….

StrychnineInTheSandwiches · 19/10/2022 22:16

PerkingFaintly · 19/10/2022 22:03

These things are already happening, Aconitum, UNDER THE TORY GOVERNMENT.

I mean, inconvenient facts and all that...

It's like talking to soup.

These people can't see that their great saviours, the Conservative and Unionist Party, have been in power for 12 years. All the things they hate have happened under the Tories.

vera99 · 19/10/2022 22:16

It was a trap which is why the oppo were so relaxed and they walked right into it.

twitter.com/garius/status/1582807101105410048

John Bull

I appreciate not everyone is a massive nerd. So I'm going to attempt to explain what just happened in parliament.
Because it is BEYOND batshit levels of foot-shooting by Team Truss. /1

The opposition (repped by Ed Miliband here) called a vote on extending the fracking moratorium.
This was a trap. A really obvious one. One that had a sign on it that said "trap". A series of billboards extending a mile down the road saying "trap in one mile
It was a trap that would only work if Team Truss made it a 'three line whip' vote - i.e. you MUST vote with the government or you don't get to be a Tory anymore - and declared it a confidence vote in her government.
It could be avoided by not doing the above.

And you'd have to be REALLY stupid to make it a three line whip and confidence vote. Because the only person who likes fracking in the Tory Party is Rees-Mogg.
I presume at some point we'll find he's invested in it somehow. Like everything else he likes.

And their own voters HATE it. Fracking is a thing you do not want to be associated with a Tory MP right now.
So - to reiterate - the ABSOLUTE WORST thing you could do would be to declare it a three line whip and a confidence vote in your own government.

Team Truss immediately declared it a three line whip and a confidence vote in her government.

This meant two hours of very pissed off Tory MPs. To the point where people who would shill for satan if he had a blue rosette were standing up in the Commons and saying (to paraphrase):
"Fuck this shit. I can't believe I have to vote yes for this. Why are you making me do this"

Meanwhile Ed Miliband is just watching and being all:
YES. HAHAHA CHAOS. YOU DEMANDED IT. CHAOS I BRING.
John Bull

And then, right at the end of the debate, a junior minister stands up and says:
"Well actually people can vote how they like because this isn't a confidence vote."
And Ed Miliband, astonished, is just watching. He's all:
WHAT IS THIS. NON-MILIBAND CHAOS?!
He's loving it.

Now we have a procession of Tory MPs, who have just been shilling reluctantly for fracking, standing up and asking the minister if this is or isn't a confidence vote.
He says that's for other people to say, despite him just saying it whilst literally being a minister.

As the debate ends and voting begins, word starts to filter in that the government have bottled it. It's no longer a three-line whip. But people are voting. And Rees-Mogg is shouting. And whips are dragging people into the government lobby.
Full post-Miliband chaos is underway.

And amidst this, nobody seems to know whether the Tory Chief Whip has just resigned in disgust. Or been sacked. Or ever existed at all maybe.
We're so far beyond Miliband chaos now that we're at risk of integer overflowing back INTO Miliband chaos.

And so the results come in, and the government has won the vote.
But everyone is furious. Because still no one is entirely sure if it was a confidence vote or not.
And I think even Ed Miliband, who is rather lovely, is:
OKAY. ENOUGH CHAOS MAYBE?

Until the results breakdown. At which point it becomes clear that this most definitely was NOT a confidence vote for the simple fucking reason that
LIZ TRUSS ABSTAINED.
So she threatened her own MPs. Then didn't even vote for it herself.

Zilla1 · 19/10/2022 22:17

Entirely unfair of some PPs to say the government is scraping the talent barrel. The talent barrel is as deep as the thinking of the PM and the cabinet. Don't try and remember the names of the Tory MPs who were thrown out of the party and deselected by Boris. They lost their names when the wouldn't support Boris. The remainder of the party has more talent leaking out of their fingertips than some other parties have across their whole cohort of MPs. Boomerang Boris and Carrie might return if Truss gets stabbed in the back.

nonono1 · 19/10/2022 22:18

MissyB1 · 19/10/2022 16:39

I agree, Corbyn shamed the lot of them with his his calm polite behaviour, and the way he represented the actual concerns of ordinary people. I remember Cameron taking the piss out of him for bringing questions from real people. Of course the Tories thought that was hilarious - you know actually listening to, and representing people who have elected you!

This. Shame on anyone who didn’t vote for Corbyn when you had the opportunity. He was the one chance we had, the radical change this country needed. Now look where we are. So angry.

PickAChew · 19/10/2022 22:23

RedToothBrush · 19/10/2022 21:44

Dear Tory MP

What the buggery bollocks is going on down there? Are you all on crack? Old Vlad is pissing himself on twitter tonight going "bloody hell, and I thought I was doing badly".

Last week you tanked the pound. This week, apparently my pensions goosed and I'm gonna lose my saving as I'll have to pay for my care. Thats if I have any money left after my mortgage going through the roof, surviving the winter with no heating and living off beans. Today there was a report on how maternity services killed a bunch of babies - no one was around to comment cos you were all having a psycho drama. Tomorrow we've got a report on child sex abuse which will get completely ignored.

Are you having a giraffe?

Sort it. Now.

She's not out of her depth treading water. She's been sunk to the bottom of the Mariana Trench.

Put her out of her misery. Its like watching a tortured cat dying.

Yours

A bewildered constituent.

(I DARE YOU - Copy, paste, send)

Excellent!

Though I'm in one of the few red wall seats that stayed red.

walkingonsunshinekat · 19/10/2022 22:23

PerkingFaintly · 19/10/2022 22:08

See also
"Put your trust in the Tories because they know how to run an economy;"
and
"Put your trust in the Tories because they're patriotic and put country first."

Pure delusion. But strangely persistent beliefs.

Armed forces minister, James Heappey, asked about ex RAF pilots going to China to train their pilots (all completely legally)

He replied "Yes we have been concerned about this for many years and it must stop"

Great, so they all knew it was a problem but did SFA about it, very patriotic, whats the betting the ex pilots vote Tory?

RedToothBrush · 19/10/2022 22:24

Who was saying the Daily Mail would still support her?

Suella Braverman.  Is she always like that or is she unwell?
user17765 · 19/10/2022 22:26

RedToothBrush · 19/10/2022 17:21

That vote on fracking either isn't happening OR Truss is resigning tonight.

Wrong on both counts then!

RedToothBrush · 19/10/2022 22:29

RedToothBrush · 19/10/2022 22:24

Who was saying the Daily Mail would still support her?

I believe this is fake btw...

but still.

RedToothBrush · 19/10/2022 22:42

Mujtaba Rahman AT Mij_Europe
Senior EU official: “Can't go to bed. UK politics is better than netflix right now”

RedToothBrush · 19/10/2022 22:49

TBF, this aint much better.

Suella Braverman.  Is she always like that or is she unwell?
IrisVersicolor · 19/10/2022 22:56

lightisnotwhite · 19/10/2022 22:09

She got into Cambridge though? Read law and is a barrister. Lived in France for two years as part the Erasmus scheme. I mean really she’s had a MN dream career (go to the Higher Education thread if you need evidence of how much Oxbridge means).
Surely we can’t be saying that all that success academically can still make you a knobber….

To get into Oxbridge you need a good memory, work hard and be good at exams. That’s it. You don’t need a highly developed intellect, to be original or to have emotional intelligence.

Truss, Braverman, Coffey and Patel are roughly as idiotic as each other. Two went to Oxbridge and the other two didn’t (Coffey started and failed the first year).

Booklover3 · 19/10/2022 22:56

Fuck sake 🙈 I am genuinely worried what might happen next.

Better than Netflix 🙈

IrisVersicolor · 19/10/2022 22:57

RedToothBrush · 19/10/2022 22:42

Mujtaba Rahman AT Mij_Europe
Senior EU official: “Can't go to bed. UK politics is better than netflix right now”

I love the smell of schadenfreude last thing at night.

Novum · 19/10/2022 22:57

Zilla1 · 19/10/2022 22:17

Entirely unfair of some PPs to say the government is scraping the talent barrel. The talent barrel is as deep as the thinking of the PM and the cabinet. Don't try and remember the names of the Tory MPs who were thrown out of the party and deselected by Boris. They lost their names when the wouldn't support Boris. The remainder of the party has more talent leaking out of their fingertips than some other parties have across their whole cohort of MPs. Boomerang Boris and Carrie might return if Truss gets stabbed in the back.

Boris coming back would be categorically the worst thing the Tories could do. The 50+ people who couldn't work with him before because he was such a lying shit would have a major problem in explaining why that has suddenly changed, he wouldn't have the support of the leaders of the revolt against him so would lose those members of his cabinet who had a few brain cells, he's got the Committee of Privileges investigation hanging over his head, and we all know it would be a matter of weeks at most before he made another Pincheresque cockup that would leave them even deeper in the shit.

RedToothBrush · 19/10/2022 23:05

Alex Wickham AT alexwickham
NEW: Cabinet ministers are tonight discussing whether to tell Liz Truss to resign

Conversations ongoing as of 11pm

Those loyal this morning now can’t say they still support her

Comes after BloombergUK reported Badenoch, Malthouse on resignation watch

justasking111 · 19/10/2022 23:06

Twitter trending tonight football, football, football, video games, football.

These morons get a vote.

Suella Braverman.  Is she always like that or is she unwell?
RedToothBrush · 19/10/2022 23:06

Alex Wickham AT alexwickham
And if the Cabinet doesn’t do it…

Large numbers of Tory MPs are now saying they want Truss to resign immediately

Things moving faster now…:

IrisVersicolor · 19/10/2022 23:07

I need to go to sleep. But I feel like I’m waiting for Father Christmas.

Will she be gone by the morning?

Booklover3 · 19/10/2022 23:08

IrisVersicolor · 19/10/2022 23:07

I need to go to sleep. But I feel like I’m waiting for Father Christmas.

Will she be gone by the morning?

I doubt if. If it’s coming it’s unlikely to be announced in the night?