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Will Liz Truss resign today? Part 2: PMQs

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sunnydaytoday0 · 19/10/2022 10:24

Well she's staggered on to PMQs today. Get the popcorn ready.

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OldReliable · 20/10/2022 09:15

And the whole reason we weren’t an emerging economy is because we hadn’t the economic policies to make us one. The opportunity is now gone. Labour are now coming in and that will be ruinous.

Who has been in charge of economic policies for the last 12 years then?

Alexandra2001 · 20/10/2022 09:15

Volterra · 20/10/2022 09:12

@Alexandra2001 I remember Redtoothbrush saying May’s deal was only way out. I lurked a lot and had come to that conclusion so wrote yet again to my Tory MP to ask him to vote for it having voted against previously and was surprised when he actually did so sticks in my mind very well.

@RedToothBrush Apologies are then owed, my recollection is no one wanted her deal, i most certainly didn't, SM was and is the only way to improve our trading position with Europe.

Still don't know what the differences are between Mays and Bojo's deals.

Kellie45 · 20/10/2022 09:15

LadyWithLapdog · 20/10/2022 09:01

@Kellie45 stop with the massive gaslighting. We haven’t all been asleep or stupid these past 12 years. Or else just stop trolling.

You will see my friend! I always note that when someone feels threatened they accuse the other person of ‘trolling’. We weren’t asleep when Corbin announced his p,abs and he still has the ear of many Labour activists.

L1ttledrummergirl · 20/10/2022 09:17

Parliament are supposed to govern, not rule. A small but distinct difference that the tories have seemingly forgotten.
Good governance means doing the best for the country and its people, ruling is doing whatever the fuck you want regardless.

Words · 20/10/2022 09:18

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LadyWithLapdog · 20/10/2022 09:20

@Kellie45 i don’t feel threatened, don’t be daft. I am annoyed and irritated because I think you’re a shit stirrer. But I’m starting work in a few minutes, so the floor’s all yours. Do your worst.

SleeplessInEngland · 20/10/2022 09:21

LadyWithLapdog · 20/10/2022 09:20

@Kellie45 i don’t feel threatened, don’t be daft. I am annoyed and irritated because I think you’re a shit stirrer. But I’m starting work in a few minutes, so the floor’s all yours. Do your worst.

Don't feed the troll.

derxa · 20/10/2022 09:22

Thanks @RedToothBrush for your excellent summary of the whole debacle.
What role did the MSM play?

LadyWithLapdog · 20/10/2022 09:24

@SleeplessInEngland thanks for confirming. I’ll catch up in the afternoon. Might even be a different PM by then.

BirmaBrite · 20/10/2022 09:28

Interesting that The Carlton club meeting was on 19/10/1922 , is that where all the Conservatives went last night ?

Alexandra2001 · 20/10/2022 09:31

Kellie45 · 20/10/2022 09:15

You will see my friend! I always note that when someone feels threatened they accuse the other person of ‘trolling’. We weren’t asleep when Corbin announced his p,abs and he still has the ear of many Labour activists.

Still no list of improvements the Tories have achieved? lol!

Corbyns borrowing for his policies was 54billion (almost all investment borrowing) and according to the Tories, totally unaffordable.
Tories have borrowed or plan to borrow, around 450 billion BUT all "affordable...."

Volterra · 20/10/2022 09:46

Alexandra2001 · 20/10/2022 09:15

@RedToothBrush Apologies are then owed, my recollection is no one wanted her deal, i most certainly didn't, SM was and is the only way to improve our trading position with Europe.

Still don't know what the differences are between Mays and Bojo's deals.

I understand that and wanted SM too (and still do) but couldn’t see it happening and at the time sadly came to conclusion would be better to have a deal to stop no deal plus hopefully would dampen the in party fighting (hollow laugh).

SleeplessInEngland · 20/10/2022 09:49

Can't wait for the first non-ironic 'I miss Liz Truss' posts on twitter.

Well we've seen them for Johnson and May, so why not?

RedToothBrush · 20/10/2022 09:51

derxa · 20/10/2022 09:22

Thanks @RedToothBrush for your excellent summary of the whole debacle.
What role did the MSM play?

Ive talked a lot about this over the last few years.

You can split it into two eras fairly neatly.

But both are ultimately about chasing venue.

The 1st Era I'll call the News of the World Era as it sums it up well. Journalists looking for the best scope by any means necessary to get it.
The 2nd Era I'll call the click bait era. Again fairly self explanatory

Both are about how politics became entertainment.

The latter is how this has driven politics itself to the extremes with moderate views unwittingly deplatformed as 'boring'.

Politics is best for the country and public when it's boring as fuck. The drama and personality shit, is a circus.

Good governance is about understanding the unintended consequences of your flag ship policies and mitigating for this rather than trying to silence dissent.

Thats where I take issue with the whole women's right / trans thing.

Its not about identifying and finding resolutions to problems. It's about cancelling and screaming bigot in people's faces despite of obvious failures to balance needs and protect particularly vulnerable groups.

Overall its a departure from accountability. Proper journalism which requires looking at the details and reviewing for errors doesn't exist anymore. Partly because people don't want to read the court reports in the local news like they used to. Partly because its dull and we have Netflix for drama now, not your neighbour down the road and what she got fined for last week or who married who in the classified births, marriages and deaths. Partly because it's labour intensive and expensive and the readership for it is low even though an issue might be really important for a large number of people.

We have had a shift from fact based journalism to opinion piece writing as part of this, as it's much cheaper and gets more revenue. The guardian is one of the bigger offenders.

The BBC is the last organisation which does proper journalism which isn't pay walled. That forces at least some journalism (that is true of all English language news). Remove it and all accountability will end up behind a pay wall or moderated by the corporate line of social media oligarchs.

To illustrate a point. I'm going to ask a question: how many women on MN had horrific birth experiences and felt they weren't listened to by staff etc etc? The threads on the subject when they get going are appalling. Yet how many women here have read an article yesterday or today about the East Kent scandal? Have you?

That's the issue in a nutshell. Dull detailed looks into the root causes of grievance issues don’t sell papers or online advertising. Bashing Megan Markle does. 'Baby killing nurses' do.

Details and long winded stuff doesn't make money.

This is further compounded by the twitter effect which reduces 'debate to 256 characters'. You can't have a debate on twitter. (this is also why mn remains my social media of choice).

Local newspapers have declined in influence and with it, the voice of the provisional towns. Local issues can get written rough shot. There's no accountability on local government. That's why many red wallers voted blue - because of local mismanagement.

None of these things are coincidence.

Changes in media and revenue chasing play a significant role.

Ironically for me, I have been accused on MN that I'm a paid activist before. I post precisely because there is a gap where no one is paid.

The newspaper barons know how to make money. Often they don't push a particular line because different newspapers cater for different audiences and its better to just leave them to have their own editorial lines to make the most money...

Anyway... Stuff to do. I have a toilet to clean. Yes really.

Cornettoninja · 20/10/2022 09:52

Anyone but the Tories? nah, if the Tories come out with great policies, i'll vote for them

I think that’s an admirable approach and do the same - I have the potential to swing anywhere if the policies are right. But the tories have a lot of ground to make up with me now. The vote last night was against their own manifesto to not introduce fracking. If I can’t trust what they say in their election guff then that’s that.

Party loyalty needs to die a death imho.

RedToothBrush · 20/10/2022 09:53

SleeplessInEngland · 20/10/2022 09:49

Can't wait for the first non-ironic 'I miss Liz Truss' posts on twitter.

Well we've seen them for Johnson and May, so why not?

If we are in a grievance spiral don't joke. The climate is rife for all sorts of shit.

Volterra · 20/10/2022 09:56

I completed a recent Yougov survey on Teresa May and how I view her now compared to before. Raised an eyebrow at the time. Liz Truss was PM at the time so last few weeks.

RedToothBrush · 20/10/2022 09:57

@Alexandra2001 what I wanted and what was on offer and possible were eventually two very different things. That was where I deviated from most on MN in seeing a distinction and a choice.

DuncinToffee · 20/10/2022 10:39

Sky's Tom Larkin spreadsheet

Things are speeding up.

ELEVEN MPs now publicly calling for Liz Truss to go.
+5 since last night's chaos, inc the first who backed Truss for leader.

Double: "The game is up"
Streeter: "It seems we must change leader"
Murray: "Her position has become untenable"

Big day ahead.

twitter.com/TomLarkinSky/status/1583020346671738880?t=xZVdNnTMK5ko-0V3S1Ni2w&s=19

sunnydaytoday0 · 20/10/2022 11:09

PaulBrandITV
One member of 1922 executive tells me “odds are against” Liz Truss surviving the day as PM.

Committee is expected to meet later to discuss the leadership crisis.

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Lonelycrab · 20/10/2022 11:14

Support is haemorrhaging by the looks of things. Guardian live feed seems to have a new one every few minutes calling for her to go. If I had to put money on it, it’ll be today.

FourForYouGlenCocoYouGoGlenCoco · 20/10/2022 11:18

OldReliable · 20/10/2022 09:15

And the whole reason we weren’t an emerging economy is because we hadn’t the economic policies to make us one. The opportunity is now gone. Labour are now coming in and that will be ruinous.

Who has been in charge of economic policies for the last 12 years then?

@OldReliable why will it be ruinous when Labour come in? Is it because they’ll have to clean up the mess left by the Tories (who - let’s not forget - pride themselves on being the most fiscally responsible party? 🤔)

puddingandsun · 20/10/2022 11:19

Yesterday morning I was fairly certain she'll last till the end of the month. But, things are now moving fast, aren't they.

Today is her last day.

ancientgran · 20/10/2022 11:21

FourForYouGlenCocoYouGoGlenCoco · 19/10/2022 22:44

This is unreal. It’s embarrassing that Suella Braverman and Kwasi Kwarteng barely lasted a month in their jobs.

Remember all the hype about none of the big jobs in cabinet going to white men. The white men are staging a come back.

CounterQueen · 20/10/2022 11:25

😂at Nadine Dorries calling for MPs to demand the return of Boris Johnson.

🤦‍♀️

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