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Losing my mind over house offer

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OrdinaryWorm · 18/10/2022 20:33

This is so complicated, so apologies for length, but I am consumed by this and can't get any advice as everyone I know is just saying, shit yeah, that's a tough one!

Essentially due to financial difficulty due to my health condition we are having to sell up and downsize to pay off debts. After a long time trying to sell, we are taking a hit on our place, and we have found a house that is at the limit of our budget and needs everything doing.

We had so much difficulty finding something which worked in terms of the space we need, budget and location for commutes we decided it was fine, we'd live with dated decor, plywood floorboards, peeling finishes and a bit of damp in a rear WC, fix things like all the wires hanging out the walls, and manage with a bathroom and kitchen that were 30 years old for a while in order to have a garden for our kids. Plus it has some period charm and its relatively spacious and close to a train station, and should we win the lottery we could extend etc. It looked like areas had been patched up which made me a bit suspicious - i.e. some areas freshly painted but other parts clearly left for years, but everything in the same area in our budget seems to be run down anyway, as the wave of gentrification has not spread that far - the only reason we can afford to buy there, I guess.

We were the first to see it and were told our offer was beaten by another bidder but the vendors chose us due to being proceedable, as they had a previous sale fall through. Who knows if that's true, but given the dearth of available houses in the area I'm prepared to believe they could find another buyer without much difficulty. For context they are a late middle-aged couple having an acrimonious divorce so there is no chain, which we thought was great, but actually puts them in a position of power compared to us, with our buyers waiting for us to move and panicking about the interest rates so kind of a flight risk. The house is in a rough area (it's the bad bit of Croydon), is on the end of a street which is ok for the area, but parking will be hell and it's a bit grotty. But I am a Londoner and I can cope with that. Grateful to still be in the position to buy a house, ultimately.

Anyway, we had the survey and then a proper independent damp survey (the stakes are quite high here for me with health concerns) and found a number of issues. The highlights are irremediable damp due to high ground in adjacent alleyway, meaning the whole side of the house is registering as damp, even though none is visible. Incidentally that is the only part of the house which has been wallpapered relatively recently. There is also evidence of a previous damp proof course. What it needs is the render removed, brickwork assessed, replastering.. it goes on. The whole house is basically quite humid, has cheapo damp solutions which are making it worse, and given we viewed it in August I'm guessing that was when it was at its best. Essentially we could not do the house piecemeal as we had planned due to the fact that everything needs to be done, and you can't repaint a house if the walls need to be replastered and floors need to be redone, and the render needs to come off etc.

Then the roof has a bloody hole in it with visible water ingress in one of the rooms, which has significantly worsened since our first viewing. It's blocked gutters, cracked cement on the roof, damaged timbers etc. This is on top of the fact that basically every single bit of the house needs attention.

So we asked for a 30k drop in price which I knew they would reject but hoped they would meet us halfway. This is about 7% of the asking price (which was 475 and we agreed 470). They refused to drop the price, saying the defects we listed were factored into the cost of the house, and said they were going to have a family member who was a roofer attend to the repairs (why the f is the roof leaking then..?!). I got a rough estimate of the roof repairs from a reliable guy who said about 4k. We said this was not acceptable due to conflict of interest, and I suspected a patch up job, given the fact the house was in a bit of a state, but they wouldn't budge and we reasoned at least it would be done. (I'm long in the tooth with roof drama). The roof is easy to fix, if costly. But it's not the end of the world.

The cost of the render/damp drama however is about 20k all in, and a huge amount of work, and the survey says it can only be managed due to the high ground. There are other issues like a sewer in the garden which would hinder any extensions and frankly there's bound to be other stuff. We had two construction people go in and assess and they said it was "a good house" which reassured me, but then the surveyor said he wouldn't buy it based on the sheer amount of work it needed. They eventually agreed to fix the roof and drop the price 3k. At first I said I wanted 10k or we'd pull out, and we would have, but in the end we just can't find anything else that doesn't present similar potential issues, or other compromises we have ruled against, like no garden, or one room less. I feel like we've already decided on a rough area and a house with 100k of work needed, so I have to at least have enough space or I'll be throwing away half our stuff.

So we agreed to the 3k and the BIL roofer, but I just feel like I don't want to be a mug. I can't tell if I'm crazy to consider buying a house in a shitty area needing 100k of work to make it decent (this isn't being precious, this is conservative given it's 100+ years old and poorly maintained) without insisting they drop the price more, or if given the climate this is the best we will do and we should just accept it, as the alternative is a flat in a better area but with no garden, no space for storage and the charges. I am paralysed as this is such a high stakes decision, and the cost of moving not to mention the upheaval is such that we simply cannot afford a mistake. So is the mistake to buy a money pit and still be skint, or to live in a smaller place and risk never ever affording a house again. There are almost identical houses down the street that are immaculately done which sold for 20-50k more this year, and I feel like this means we are overpaying, given the fact we'd have to do all the work. But then I think the vendors consider they are selling us the potential. What to do?!

OP posts:
GoBubbles · 19/10/2022 14:06

A flat in Kingston? Safe, green, great schools and 15 mins by train to Clapham junction

www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/127986908#/?channel=RES_BUY

2bazookas · 19/10/2022 14:13

If I was the seller I'd dump your offer and find another buyer.

ReneBumsWombats · 19/10/2022 14:30

2bazookas · 19/10/2022 14:13

If I was the seller I'd dump your offer and find another buyer.

And you'd be doing her a massive favour.

A580Hojas · 19/10/2022 14:37

You haven't said why your number 1 consideration is your dc school. Since you will need to drive them I'm assuming they are primary age.

Are you absolutely certain that you want to restrict yourself so severely for this reason? Most primary children make new friends the minute they get to secondary school. Are you making a huge effort to keep attached to this school for unrealistic sentimental reasons?

sunshinesupermum · 19/10/2022 15:20

I agree with you A580Hojas OP has given no sensible reason.

Birch01 · 19/10/2022 19:43

450 within 5 miles of Clapham added today might be worth a look:

Here

OrdinaryWorm · 19/10/2022 20:17

Thanks so much for all your replies and suggestions. We decided to pull out and I admit I feel relief, but also now panicking about where to go. We are looking at flats near us now and praying we don't lose our buyers.

I think it boils down to the fact that our budget will only buy a house that needs work and we don't have the budget for that so people who said we should add costs to the price of the house - that's sensible. I was just very caught up in the idea that we shouldn't be precious about decorating and be happy to have an old kitchen for while and be happy with that. as the price for having a decent house. The damp and likely hidden surprises have made it a different proposition altogether so I think it's the right decision.

Re the school, it's a personal choice with a number of reasons, and we might well have to move schools at some stage but that would not fix our immediate issues and the kids are so happy where they are I don't want to move them unless we can offer them some kind of gain in exchange. People seemed to think we live in Croydon but we don't. Croydon was the move further away. It was going to double the distance to school which I think would have been fine for a decent house. Some people suggesting other places - half of them I've seen and have to say they are never as good as they look or are quite a bit further - Croydons is massive. Thornton Heath was the furthest we could cope with I think. An extra tow miles at rush hour pushes the commute into nightmare territory.

We are not able to rent because we will lose our mortgage if we don't port it. Also the grubby studio below us is a grand a month, to give an idea of what renting would cost - a small house would at least triple our current mortgage which we are already can't afford. We would piss away a huge amount of our deposit and it would be catastrophic. The problem is that we are in monthly deficit and we need to have a buffer until I find work I can do and fit around the kids.

Some people said moving out of London would be cheaper. Only if we move very far away. I have investigated all different places. Our original plan was to move to East Sussex. My husband even quit his job and took a job out there as we house hunted there for weeks and weeks (quite a challenge to house hunt 40 miles away with small kids!) and we found that we could afford nothing that was an improvement on our current situation, plus we'd have to leave the school and the commuting situation was worse! There was nothing to be gained but in the process of finding that out my husband sacrificed his London weighting (teacher) and now commutes 3-4 hours a day in the second car we had to buy as the trains are so expensive and shit. Also, some people say move to bloody Yorkshire. Well I'm from here! My family and friends are here. Leaving all of that would also feel like a huge loss. We'd have no support system which is quite important. It would have to be really worth it and it feels like that would be a huge risk we would never return from. Mumsnet thread about London regret also freaked me out.

I feel like I'm shooting all suggestions down but we really have explored every avenue I could think of, and I wanted advice about the smaller flat versus doer-upper question! I just felt maybe I was being unreasonable thinking they should drop the price more but it's moot really. I think it's overpriced but maybe that wouldn't bother me if I loved the area and had some money to do it up! Thanks all.

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OrdinaryWorm · 19/10/2022 20:20

@2bazookas Our offer was close to asking price, and when we found damp they refused to drop the price! I think it's a combination of having estate agents inflate your expectations and also perhaps they underestimate how much work needs doing.

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A580Hojas · 19/10/2022 20:30

Well good luck OP! It boils down to you wanting to buy a 3 bed property with garden for £450k max within easy driving distance of Clapham because you won't change schools. Hopefully you are factoring in the rush hour/school run commute time increase in your calculations.

You could have put this in your original post and saved everyone a lot of time! I hope you find somewhere and let us know if you are successful.

DamnUserName21 · 19/10/2022 20:41

The stress, eventual building work, and the damp will have a debilitating effect on your health. Your children's school is not the hill to die on, OP. There are good schools everywhere.

OrdinaryWorm · 19/10/2022 20:41

@A580Hojas I just explained we were looking at flats now, and I was happy to spend two hours on school runs. There are places that fit the description we just didn't find one because timing is an issue. I was asking for advice about our situation with the damp survey from the house we offered on, not judgements about my priorities - sorry if that wasn't clear! Advice welcome. Judgements from someone who is making inferences less so! Sorry to have wasted anyone's time.

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DamnUserName21 · 19/10/2022 20:44

Oops, just saw update. Glad you pulled out and good luck with the search.

Mapleapple · 19/10/2022 20:53

Well done OP, I really hope you find something and can improve your situation.

MrsMacnair · 19/10/2022 21:04

You did the right thing op, but I think you knew already that it would have been a disaster if you had continued.

Hope you can find something else quickly so that you don’t lose your buyer. Even if it’s not your forever home you don’t need to settle for a crappy damp ridden money pit for the sake of moving quickly.

Good Luck!

Heronwatcher · 19/10/2022 22:54

Just to say again, do double check about porting your mortgage, my recollection is that many lenders will allow a gap of around 6 months before you’d lose it. That may take some of the urgency out of finding somewhere new. And it’s better to “write off” a bit of rent from your equity than end up somewhere disastrous which will cost more longer term (stamp duty alone if you move twice would be more). I agree with looking at decent sized flats with potential to extend in the longer term, either into a garden or loft.

Curlyfifteen · 19/10/2022 23:03

Redhill is 15mins on train from croydon and you can get a 3 bed house just about. 450-475 ish for a terrace or small semi. Coulsdon too.

Heronwatcher · 19/10/2022 23:08

For example, with this house it looks in perfect condition already but you could convert the main part of the attic in the longer term. I appreciate the stairs might be an issue but it would be a good middle ground house?
www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/124237352#/?channel=RES_BUY

Heronwatcher · 19/10/2022 23:12

And this one is all ground floor, looks like there might be potential to extend further, nice and airy with a good sized private garden.

www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/124328720#/?channel=RES_BUY

OrdinaryWorm · 19/10/2022 23:29

@Heronwatcher thanks. I will call the bank to find out about the mortgage. Thanks for the links. Lots of these have gone already. If it's not a complete hole and it's been up a week it's gone!

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GLTM · 19/10/2022 23:32

Don't loose your buyer, progress chain free for now. I know you want to port your mortgage, but don't end up with too much debt that you loose it anyway as can't pay the repayments.

MadelineUsher · 19/10/2022 23:57

Thanks so much for all your replies and suggestions. We decided to pull out and I admit I feel relief, but also now panicking about where to go.

Oh, thank god. Best wishes for this next stage.

Abitofalark · 20/10/2022 00:37

Phew! I can breathe again. You did the right thing. I was so worried you were going to buy that wreck with an irremediable damp problem that would make your life a misery. And the reduction offered by the seller was derisory, an absolute shocker. It's a mistake that buyers often make which is to offer far too close to the asking price in the first place.
Canny people who are used to dealing would go low but most of us are not dealers and the psychological power of the asking price and our own anxiety makes us putty in the hands of the seller. All I can say is I'm glad you did escape that disaster of a place and I wish I knew how to make you not panic and to take your time to think calmly. I know it's not easy.

Curlyfifteen · 20/10/2022 05:22

Note the lease is 90 years. When it gets to 80 its considered short. Even if you live there 5 years note you will need to have the lease extended before you sell otherwise buyers may be put off.

Curlyfifteen · 20/10/2022 05:23

Heronwatcher · 19/10/2022 23:12

And this one is all ground floor, looks like there might be potential to extend further, nice and airy with a good sized private garden.

www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/124328720#/?channel=RES_BUY

Note the lease is 90 years. When it gets to 80 its considered short. Even if you live there 5 years note you will need to have the lease extended before you sell otherwise buyers may be put off.

Mapleapple · 20/10/2022 09:02

Curlyfifteen · 20/10/2022 05:23

Note the lease is 90 years. When it gets to 80 its considered short. Even if you live there 5 years note you will need to have the lease extended before you sell otherwise buyers may be put off.

Some lenders are funny about sub-100 years as well.

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