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Losing my mind over house offer

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OrdinaryWorm · 18/10/2022 20:33

This is so complicated, so apologies for length, but I am consumed by this and can't get any advice as everyone I know is just saying, shit yeah, that's a tough one!

Essentially due to financial difficulty due to my health condition we are having to sell up and downsize to pay off debts. After a long time trying to sell, we are taking a hit on our place, and we have found a house that is at the limit of our budget and needs everything doing.

We had so much difficulty finding something which worked in terms of the space we need, budget and location for commutes we decided it was fine, we'd live with dated decor, plywood floorboards, peeling finishes and a bit of damp in a rear WC, fix things like all the wires hanging out the walls, and manage with a bathroom and kitchen that were 30 years old for a while in order to have a garden for our kids. Plus it has some period charm and its relatively spacious and close to a train station, and should we win the lottery we could extend etc. It looked like areas had been patched up which made me a bit suspicious - i.e. some areas freshly painted but other parts clearly left for years, but everything in the same area in our budget seems to be run down anyway, as the wave of gentrification has not spread that far - the only reason we can afford to buy there, I guess.

We were the first to see it and were told our offer was beaten by another bidder but the vendors chose us due to being proceedable, as they had a previous sale fall through. Who knows if that's true, but given the dearth of available houses in the area I'm prepared to believe they could find another buyer without much difficulty. For context they are a late middle-aged couple having an acrimonious divorce so there is no chain, which we thought was great, but actually puts them in a position of power compared to us, with our buyers waiting for us to move and panicking about the interest rates so kind of a flight risk. The house is in a rough area (it's the bad bit of Croydon), is on the end of a street which is ok for the area, but parking will be hell and it's a bit grotty. But I am a Londoner and I can cope with that. Grateful to still be in the position to buy a house, ultimately.

Anyway, we had the survey and then a proper independent damp survey (the stakes are quite high here for me with health concerns) and found a number of issues. The highlights are irremediable damp due to high ground in adjacent alleyway, meaning the whole side of the house is registering as damp, even though none is visible. Incidentally that is the only part of the house which has been wallpapered relatively recently. There is also evidence of a previous damp proof course. What it needs is the render removed, brickwork assessed, replastering.. it goes on. The whole house is basically quite humid, has cheapo damp solutions which are making it worse, and given we viewed it in August I'm guessing that was when it was at its best. Essentially we could not do the house piecemeal as we had planned due to the fact that everything needs to be done, and you can't repaint a house if the walls need to be replastered and floors need to be redone, and the render needs to come off etc.

Then the roof has a bloody hole in it with visible water ingress in one of the rooms, which has significantly worsened since our first viewing. It's blocked gutters, cracked cement on the roof, damaged timbers etc. This is on top of the fact that basically every single bit of the house needs attention.

So we asked for a 30k drop in price which I knew they would reject but hoped they would meet us halfway. This is about 7% of the asking price (which was 475 and we agreed 470). They refused to drop the price, saying the defects we listed were factored into the cost of the house, and said they were going to have a family member who was a roofer attend to the repairs (why the f is the roof leaking then..?!). I got a rough estimate of the roof repairs from a reliable guy who said about 4k. We said this was not acceptable due to conflict of interest, and I suspected a patch up job, given the fact the house was in a bit of a state, but they wouldn't budge and we reasoned at least it would be done. (I'm long in the tooth with roof drama). The roof is easy to fix, if costly. But it's not the end of the world.

The cost of the render/damp drama however is about 20k all in, and a huge amount of work, and the survey says it can only be managed due to the high ground. There are other issues like a sewer in the garden which would hinder any extensions and frankly there's bound to be other stuff. We had two construction people go in and assess and they said it was "a good house" which reassured me, but then the surveyor said he wouldn't buy it based on the sheer amount of work it needed. They eventually agreed to fix the roof and drop the price 3k. At first I said I wanted 10k or we'd pull out, and we would have, but in the end we just can't find anything else that doesn't present similar potential issues, or other compromises we have ruled against, like no garden, or one room less. I feel like we've already decided on a rough area and a house with 100k of work needed, so I have to at least have enough space or I'll be throwing away half our stuff.

So we agreed to the 3k and the BIL roofer, but I just feel like I don't want to be a mug. I can't tell if I'm crazy to consider buying a house in a shitty area needing 100k of work to make it decent (this isn't being precious, this is conservative given it's 100+ years old and poorly maintained) without insisting they drop the price more, or if given the climate this is the best we will do and we should just accept it, as the alternative is a flat in a better area but with no garden, no space for storage and the charges. I am paralysed as this is such a high stakes decision, and the cost of moving not to mention the upheaval is such that we simply cannot afford a mistake. So is the mistake to buy a money pit and still be skint, or to live in a smaller place and risk never ever affording a house again. There are almost identical houses down the street that are immaculately done which sold for 20-50k more this year, and I feel like this means we are overpaying, given the fact we'd have to do all the work. But then I think the vendors consider they are selling us the potential. What to do?!

OP posts:
IrisVersicolor · 18/10/2022 23:34

You must step away from this house for your health and sanity.

Quite apart from rising construction costs you’d also have to fund the energy costs for the renovation.

When in a financial crisis don’t sign a blank cheque.

Would your buyers be open to delayed completion? (I understand the time is ticking on the debt but you must make a prudent move).

IrisVersicolor · 18/10/2022 23:34

Morden? It’s on the northern line to Clapham.

https://www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/125758553

WhosafraidofVirginiaWoolf · 18/10/2022 23:39

Talk about out of the frying pan and into the fire.

Do this and you will end up in worse debt than you are now.

NiceTwin · 18/10/2022 23:39

This was us 7 years ago. We bought the house but only because we wanted to build a business on our land.
We spent £40k straight off the bat rewiring and putting in central heating.
We have only just this year finished the house and that is only because the business funded it. Had we been doing it off our wages, we'd still be plodding along with it.

Would I do it again? Probably if I loved the house and the area. If I wasn't 100% about the house, I would walk away.

Ellie56 · 18/10/2022 23:45

I echo what everyone else is saying. Don't buy this overpriced, damp shithole in a grotty area. You will come to bitterly regret it.

It will cost far more than you are anticipating to put right the known problems (the damp alone is a major issue without everything else) and you can be fairly sure you will find a load more problems after you have moved in. Trying to heat a cold, damp house will cost an arm and a leg in the current climate, and your health will be seriously compromised.

We moved house and our son changed schools. He settled very quickly. Yours will probably do the same. Kids are very resilient.

friskybivalves · 18/10/2022 23:46

www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/128128094

Different bit of Croydon but only came on yesterday and looks immaculate...

ChocFrog · 18/10/2022 23:47

OP please walk away. The irremediable damp thing has health implications.

There are other houses in the price range. Move further out, or further east, or downsize even more. But don’t buy this, you won’t be happy there and it will be a moneypit and very difficult to sell should you need to leave.

littlegems79 · 18/10/2022 23:57

OP, can't you buy a 'for now' house in your budget and just move in and camp out till the market gets better? Maybe you're looking too much for a 'forever home' and now is not the right time.

The house sounds like a nightmare and you can guarantee it'll cost way more than you think it will. If it were me, I'd buy a normal, nothing special house (that needs no work) and just wait it out.

senior30 · 18/10/2022 23:59

OP could you not proceed with you sale and move into rented? you don’t lose your buyers then and will be in a stronger position to look for something. We pulled out of a house with less work than this at a really late stage, we decided that despite having the cash to do the work we were being mugged off and it just didn’t sit right

BoxOfCats · 19/10/2022 00:36

Your kids need safe housing that won't cause them health issues, and two healthy parents- much more than they need to stay at the same school.

Twillow · 19/10/2022 00:37

No no no.
You have kids. You can't fathom the strain this will put on you while trying to remedy this money pit. It will put a stain on their childhood, I've been there.

sleepingophelia · 19/10/2022 00:38

Essentially due to financial difficulty due to my health condition we are having to sell up and downsize to pay off debts. After a long time trying to sell, we are taking a hit on our place, and we have found a house that is at the limit of our budget and needs everything doing.

Not to be rude, OP, but this is not the sane thinking of a great financial mind.

The house "needs everything doing". Has visible problems that need money to rectify. Has unseen problems that are unrectifiable, and in the meantime will cost considerable amounts to maintain the damp and mould as is from further degeneration of the house's structure. At the limit of your budget, you are planning to go into (great) debt to live in this house in an unpleasant area. You will not budge on the kid's schools. I think YABVU, and would be better placed if you stayed where you are and find workarounds for the current debts.

Appleblum · 19/10/2022 00:45

Walk away and look for another house. These repairs always end up costing more than their estimates, are you prepared to fork out 20% more of the estimated repair bills and live on a construction site/wait even longer to move in? I wouldn't.

DogsAkimbo · 19/10/2022 01:04

Don’t do it. Letters through other doors in the area? See if someone else might want to sell based on you being close to proceedable and you’d save potentially on fees. It’s worth a try.

EdgeOfACoin · 19/10/2022 06:17

Hi OP, I know you've already compromised loads but this house does not sound like a good move.

Could you pay to put stuff in storage (Big Yellow or Safestore) while you move to a large flat in a better area and spend a few years paying down the debt? See the storage fees as part of your mortgage payments.

Then, when you're in a better position financially you can move somewhere larger and bring stuff out of storage.

Interest rates are rising which will flatten house prices. I think you'd struggle to sell the new house with all of its problems if you found that you needed to.

purpledagger · 19/10/2022 06:55

okay thanks

Acorn764 · 19/10/2022 07:06

OP we nearly bought a grotty house in Croydon but bought a flat further in instead. We drove past the Croydon house yesterday and thanked our lucky stars we didn't buy it.

GLTM · 19/10/2022 07:08

I think you should walk away. However before you do say the problems are too much so offer them £100k less. But accept they are unlikely to take it and walk away.

Sell yours now, don't let that fall through. Otherwise you will be worrying about debts on that and it's not worth it.

Perhaps ring up a broker and check if you could get a mortgage in future. You might be surprised.

SimonaRazowska · 19/10/2022 07:17

Don’t buy a house that has not been looked after

you just don’t

Unless you are a builder yourself with free time. Or are going to knock it down

yes they will do patch up jobs now, what is the point if that?

walk away

HerkyBaby · 19/10/2022 07:17

Walk away and don’t look back.

ScotsWhaHae77 · 19/10/2022 07:28

You can't afford the house OP, if it's at the top end of your budget and needs £20k of work immediately and £1000s more in the future there is no way this is feasible.

Wilkolampshade · 19/10/2022 07:32

I'm going to sound a different note here OP. The roof sounds patchable, which done well could last a good few years. The damp, which really does seem your biggest problem is actually solvable by tanking the side wall. We've had to do this both in a London basement and an ancient Cornish house built literally, into the side of a hill. It's a specialist job and yes, you aren't getting the reduction you would like to account for it, but the house may well be at cost already.
If you have no choice and there is no alternative for any number of reasons then that's that. Get the builders booked ASAP and make plans to stay somewhere else whilst the worst of its happening.
We've only ever bought money pits as its been to only way to facilitate much needed change.

JadeLyndsey · 19/10/2022 07:33

As someone that bought a fixer upper because financial difficulties meant it's all we could buy, and we planned to stay for 2-3 years but COVID, Brexit and cost of living means we are still here 5.5 years later, don't do it. We got the kitchen and bathroom redone and spent a fortune on them but despite this, I still hate the house it also still needs endless work. I resent everything about it. On bad days, I sit staring at my water stained, uneven ceiling in the living room that has flaking paint that won't stick, with mould spores on the wall closest to the windows, then stare at the poorly fitted UPVC windows that we put filler and corking on/around every year to stop the wind getting through, then look to the radiators that we paid a professional to fit when we moved in but don't fit properly and have bendy pipes that look inches away from exploding, and in fact one did a few months back in the hallway ruining the brand new flooring we put in.

In the time we've owned it, one of the selling points which was a nice open field to the back of our property has been built on - squashed in council houses that are town houses to accommodate an larger families with several children, but the council didn't think to put in gardens for them to play in or hang washing, so there is constantly bikes, rubbish, plastic dinner plates, and even clothes airers and all sorts in the road constantly. Going shopping and trying to get parked outside our house is like something out of the streets of poplar from call the midwife. We do want to move and hope to eventually be able to do this next year, but I suspect the property won't be worth anything near what we hoped it would and what we've spent on it.

For you, you have a pretty significant health issue to try and tackle along the way, and prior knowledge to know that even if you sink the necessary 100k in (which might go up the more you uncover or the more prices rise) it won't be worth what other houses on the street are.

If it were me, taking a hit on driving the kids to school for a longer journey in the morning is worth the sacrifice. A nicer, tolerable home that you could live in for a long time would be worth it, and possibly gain or hold value better without you needing to do any work and will be easier to live in, especially with urban sprawl and gentrification. I don't have any health issues at all, but I would say my home and where it is significantly impacts my mental well-being on a daily basis.

Good luck x

Highfivemum · 19/10/2022 07:38

do not buy. Sell your house and nice to rented. Yes you have to pay rent but you are then in a better position to buy.

Tiani4 · 19/10/2022 07:41

OP there are plenty of houses and maisonettes ones the market for £450k and under within 5 miles of Clapham

You don't need to buy that money out of a house. I would walk away if you don't love it. It's £20k cheaper than immature houses but will cost you £50k upwards of major works to fix it and most importantly you don't love it - why replace one house with another that'll cause you debt just to live in it

This is down the road from Thornton Heath and within 5 miles from Clapham

www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/126153122
3 bed nicely done up house freehold, £450k

3 new house in Thornton Heath , freehold, £450k
www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/123261386

3 bed house Thornton Heath freehold £450k
www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/85380603

www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/96616291 £425k or is this the house you found? This one is chain free

If your children have to move schools (& that area has other good schools) well that's better than living in a damp house with a leaking roof that has been bodge fixed cheaply by Ex vendors BIL! They accept the lower offer after survey or you walk away...

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