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Losing my mind over house offer

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OrdinaryWorm · 18/10/2022 20:33

This is so complicated, so apologies for length, but I am consumed by this and can't get any advice as everyone I know is just saying, shit yeah, that's a tough one!

Essentially due to financial difficulty due to my health condition we are having to sell up and downsize to pay off debts. After a long time trying to sell, we are taking a hit on our place, and we have found a house that is at the limit of our budget and needs everything doing.

We had so much difficulty finding something which worked in terms of the space we need, budget and location for commutes we decided it was fine, we'd live with dated decor, plywood floorboards, peeling finishes and a bit of damp in a rear WC, fix things like all the wires hanging out the walls, and manage with a bathroom and kitchen that were 30 years old for a while in order to have a garden for our kids. Plus it has some period charm and its relatively spacious and close to a train station, and should we win the lottery we could extend etc. It looked like areas had been patched up which made me a bit suspicious - i.e. some areas freshly painted but other parts clearly left for years, but everything in the same area in our budget seems to be run down anyway, as the wave of gentrification has not spread that far - the only reason we can afford to buy there, I guess.

We were the first to see it and were told our offer was beaten by another bidder but the vendors chose us due to being proceedable, as they had a previous sale fall through. Who knows if that's true, but given the dearth of available houses in the area I'm prepared to believe they could find another buyer without much difficulty. For context they are a late middle-aged couple having an acrimonious divorce so there is no chain, which we thought was great, but actually puts them in a position of power compared to us, with our buyers waiting for us to move and panicking about the interest rates so kind of a flight risk. The house is in a rough area (it's the bad bit of Croydon), is on the end of a street which is ok for the area, but parking will be hell and it's a bit grotty. But I am a Londoner and I can cope with that. Grateful to still be in the position to buy a house, ultimately.

Anyway, we had the survey and then a proper independent damp survey (the stakes are quite high here for me with health concerns) and found a number of issues. The highlights are irremediable damp due to high ground in adjacent alleyway, meaning the whole side of the house is registering as damp, even though none is visible. Incidentally that is the only part of the house which has been wallpapered relatively recently. There is also evidence of a previous damp proof course. What it needs is the render removed, brickwork assessed, replastering.. it goes on. The whole house is basically quite humid, has cheapo damp solutions which are making it worse, and given we viewed it in August I'm guessing that was when it was at its best. Essentially we could not do the house piecemeal as we had planned due to the fact that everything needs to be done, and you can't repaint a house if the walls need to be replastered and floors need to be redone, and the render needs to come off etc.

Then the roof has a bloody hole in it with visible water ingress in one of the rooms, which has significantly worsened since our first viewing. It's blocked gutters, cracked cement on the roof, damaged timbers etc. This is on top of the fact that basically every single bit of the house needs attention.

So we asked for a 30k drop in price which I knew they would reject but hoped they would meet us halfway. This is about 7% of the asking price (which was 475 and we agreed 470). They refused to drop the price, saying the defects we listed were factored into the cost of the house, and said they were going to have a family member who was a roofer attend to the repairs (why the f is the roof leaking then..?!). I got a rough estimate of the roof repairs from a reliable guy who said about 4k. We said this was not acceptable due to conflict of interest, and I suspected a patch up job, given the fact the house was in a bit of a state, but they wouldn't budge and we reasoned at least it would be done. (I'm long in the tooth with roof drama). The roof is easy to fix, if costly. But it's not the end of the world.

The cost of the render/damp drama however is about 20k all in, and a huge amount of work, and the survey says it can only be managed due to the high ground. There are other issues like a sewer in the garden which would hinder any extensions and frankly there's bound to be other stuff. We had two construction people go in and assess and they said it was "a good house" which reassured me, but then the surveyor said he wouldn't buy it based on the sheer amount of work it needed. They eventually agreed to fix the roof and drop the price 3k. At first I said I wanted 10k or we'd pull out, and we would have, but in the end we just can't find anything else that doesn't present similar potential issues, or other compromises we have ruled against, like no garden, or one room less. I feel like we've already decided on a rough area and a house with 100k of work needed, so I have to at least have enough space or I'll be throwing away half our stuff.

So we agreed to the 3k and the BIL roofer, but I just feel like I don't want to be a mug. I can't tell if I'm crazy to consider buying a house in a shitty area needing 100k of work to make it decent (this isn't being precious, this is conservative given it's 100+ years old and poorly maintained) without insisting they drop the price more, or if given the climate this is the best we will do and we should just accept it, as the alternative is a flat in a better area but with no garden, no space for storage and the charges. I am paralysed as this is such a high stakes decision, and the cost of moving not to mention the upheaval is such that we simply cannot afford a mistake. So is the mistake to buy a money pit and still be skint, or to live in a smaller place and risk never ever affording a house again. There are almost identical houses down the street that are immaculately done which sold for 20-50k more this year, and I feel like this means we are overpaying, given the fact we'd have to do all the work. But then I think the vendors consider they are selling us the potential. What to do?!

OP posts:
Tiani4 · 19/10/2022 07:41

That 'moneypit of a house' I meant not 'money out'

Tiani4 · 19/10/2022 07:42

'Immaculate houses' not 'immature houses'
I wish MN had edit function as my phone autocorrected so many words!

Melawati · 19/10/2022 07:44

Honestly, flex on moving your kids school and this will widen the areas where you can look. Thornton Heath to Clapham is a horrible drive to be doing with kids every morning.
Commit to your new home and area, wherever you end up. Be part of the community and make friends locally.
Do not buy this house, it has absolutely nothing to recommend it from what you’ve said about it.

Roselilly36 · 19/10/2022 07:47

Walk away, getting trades & the price of materials going up & up, be careful you don’t get caught out OP. Projects like this always cost more than you expect.

TheNoodlesIncident · 19/10/2022 07:48

Your financial situation won't be any better by buying this property, it will cost you far more in the long run. There is always more work that needs doing - problem A leads to problem B but also causes C and D, which you don't yet know about. You'd be mad to buy something that needs tons of cash spending on it when you don't have the funds to do it.

You desperately need to widen your search area and criteria. Not moving the children might be a luxury you can't afford. I wouldn't have wanted to move my dc and he did actually stay in his current school when we moved nearer to another school, but his SEN and the level of provision at each school made that non-negotiable. I sympathise if your issue is something like this, but if it's just that the kids don't want to move as they'd miss their friends, something like that should not be a factor in finding a suitable alternative house.

I really feel for you, your situation is totally crap but you'll probably have to rethink your criteria. What choice do you have?

AgentJohnson · 19/10/2022 08:02

Your childrens school being the red line could be your undoing, especially if you get stuck with the money pit long after they have changed schools.

Do not underestimate the bleakness of living in a crappy house. These sellers can smell your desperation and I wouldn’t touch their builder relative with a ten foot barge pole. Something has to give and sadly I think this particular house is a step to far.

WokingOrNot · 19/10/2022 08:05

TheNoodlesIncident · 19/10/2022 07:48

Your financial situation won't be any better by buying this property, it will cost you far more in the long run. There is always more work that needs doing - problem A leads to problem B but also causes C and D, which you don't yet know about. You'd be mad to buy something that needs tons of cash spending on it when you don't have the funds to do it.

You desperately need to widen your search area and criteria. Not moving the children might be a luxury you can't afford. I wouldn't have wanted to move my dc and he did actually stay in his current school when we moved nearer to another school, but his SEN and the level of provision at each school made that non-negotiable. I sympathise if your issue is something like this, but if it's just that the kids don't want to move as they'd miss their friends, something like that should not be a factor in finding a suitable alternative house.

I really feel for you, your situation is totally crap but you'll probably have to rethink your criteria. What choice do you have?

100%
I don't know how old your children are but they're usually more resilient than we give them credit for.
And they'll be more happy in a safe, dry, smaller house or flat and a new school, than in a damp, cold, outdated big house that by the sound of it is a money pit you can't afford.

NoSquirrels · 19/10/2022 08:09

(the stakes are quite high here for me with health concerns) and found a number of issues. The highlights are irremediable damp

You can’t afford to buy it.

If you’re in a ‘spiralling debt’ situation then you can’t buy this house.

If you will not move schools, then you need to sacrifice the space & garden instead.

Mummyoflittledragon · 19/10/2022 08:10

legosunqueen · 18/10/2022 22:29

Could you let your current house & rent a cheaper property to live in while paying off your debts from incoming rent? This would improve your financial position & buy you a bit of time. Please don't buy the money pit, it won't help your health as it ŵill be another constant worry Flowers

Really idea. Thing have changed radically on that front.

Op please walk away from this house. It has so many issues. It will need tanking as you say and that is not cheap. I know someone, who bought a house with covered up bits. The decorating wasn’t just covering up a bit of damp, it covered dodgy electrics.

Mummyoflittledragon · 19/10/2022 08:10

*Really bad idea

Liz1tummypain · 19/10/2022 08:17

If money wasn't such an issue then I would say follow your dreams but what at the moment unfortunately I think you need to park this whole idea. Best wishes

SurpriseSurprise · 19/10/2022 08:30

With your health condition, I think you need to consider moving to a flat or maisonette. You can get lovely ground floor ones with gardens and it will make your situation easier.

I understand you’re desperate, but you need to take a step back. You’ll potentially be in a worse situation if you buy this house, and then you may struggle to sell it if you’ve not managed to do the work

hattie43 · 19/10/2022 08:31

Lcb123 · 18/10/2022 20:36

Honestly if I were you I’d walk away. I personally couldn’t deal with all that, whatever the house price. Can you look for a flat with a garden instead? That seems very expensive anyway; I don’t live that far away (gipsy hill).

This .

Why do you have to be in Croydon?
Is it not better to move further out to an acceptable house even though the commute maybe longer . One day you will retire and it doesn't matter where you live . I can forsee years of problems with this house and make no mistake to have work done properly is very expensive

Munchyseeds2 · 19/10/2022 08:57

No way would I consider buying the house
Sounds like a nightmare!!
Walk away and have a rethink
Kids changing schools is not the end of the world and would give you more choice

FistFullOfRegrets · 19/10/2022 09:11

OrdinaryWorm · 18/10/2022 22:02

@FistFullOfRegrets I have MS so it's not going to go away! And I have spoken to Stepchange. Sorry to say they were not helpful and could offer no solutions.

@ordinarywoman

im sorry to hear it's MS. It's certainly life changing. Hopefully you're like my friend J, after the first couple of years, as long as she eats well, but not too much & gets a lot of sleep she's pretty well most of the time. But I have other friends who follow much the same routine as J and don't. It's a crap illness, sorry 💐

I can't believe Step Change were so crap. It's most unusual, it might be worth trying again & getting someone different.

I really don't think you should buy this house. You need somewhere warm, comfortable & relaxing, not this damp, cold, massive & unaffordable project.

I know it's not what you want, and I know how hard it is not to have a garden, but I think that would be less bad than this house.

take care.

WoopsIdiditagain1 · 19/10/2022 09:47

Testina · 18/10/2022 20:59

www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/128113046#/?channel=RES_BUY

3 bed, 2 bath, South Croydon, £400K

Sell your house and rent short term.

DemBonesDemBones · 19/10/2022 09:52

100% walk away!

AloysiusBear · 19/10/2022 09:53

God just don't buy it, it will ruin your life.

Could you look at anything like shared ownership etc?

A garden for children isn't everything if it belongs to a house thats rank with damp and falling down around them.

IrisVersicolor · 19/10/2022 09:56

Sanderstead, 15 mins from Clapham Junction by train.(5 miles by car).

https://www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/127875113

AloysiusBear · 19/10/2022 10:03

I hate to say what you don't want to hear, but interest rates will only rise, as will other costs, the last thing you want to do is stretch yourself to move in a desperate bid to stay near your children's school.

I suspect you'll only need to downgrade again in 3 or 4 years time when your mortgage fix ends, and you really don't want to be sitting, with ms, in an unsellable money pit of house purely to be within 5 miles of clapham.

Also with your health issues could a 5 mile school run be an issue in years to come? Its much harder to manage back up plans when you don't live near school.

In your shoes I'd accept moving somewhere much, much cheaper - out to kent or sussex etc. Aim to be very close to schools so you aren't facing years of school run troubles, reduce mortgage if possible and try to get a low maintenance property that isn't going to cause stress or cost a lot of money, even if that means buying somewhere smaller.

Your health and family are more important than living in london.

ShouldIdo · 19/10/2022 10:27

Don't walk away..... run!

MrsMacnair · 19/10/2022 10:47

You’ve not said what it is you are looking for in a property, ie what you need in terms of space. It’s just that there is lots of houses on the market in your chosen areas that are within budget, (yes I did a quick scout on Rightmove too!) Why is it only narrowed down to this one?

if you post what you are looking for people here are willing and can help you search, links have already been posted for you but without knowing exactly what is is your after don’t know if they are suitable or not

Also you’ve not said how many and what ages your children are, but if primary age then I’d seriously consider moving schools if it means a better quality of life and gives you more scope for finding a house to suit your needs. Children are pretty adaptable at primary age, yes they will initially miss friends but they won’t take long to make new ones.

MingoDringo · 19/10/2022 13:28

I would look further out too. Don't buy that house

Willyoujustbequiet · 19/10/2022 13:43

You could get a lovely large family home with a garden in a nice area for less than £200k further north.

Depending on your equity you could live mortgage free and only need one income. It's a no brainer depending on what field your DH is in. Worth considering?

NotAKnowitall · 19/10/2022 13:47

Can't you just leave Croydon and move further out? I don't understand why you'd pay nearly half a mil for what sounds like a dump. Move further out and either get more for your money or save a ton of money - just don't buy that money pit.

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