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Will Liz Truss resign today?

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sunnydaytoday0 · 17/10/2022 01:00

Or maybe Tuesday at the latest? Would she really want to face the absolute public humiliation of PMQs on Wednesday?

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vera99 · 17/10/2022 09:59

SleeplessInEngland · 17/10/2022 09:52

Just assume that anyone using it without irony is a tory bot, it'll save you time.

That's it!

It is the shadow 'traitorous' deep state of unelected officials, bureaucrats, remoaners, legal system, left-wing media, BBC, EU all those pesky frustraters of the true Brexit democrats exercising the will of the people.

Reminds me of those pesky meddling kids that the villains in Scooby Doo blamed at the end of each episode.

borntobequiet · 17/10/2022 09:59

Kellie45 · 17/10/2022 08:52

You will see. We will get Starmer and he and his govermment will stifle every bit of enterprise in thiscountry

Doesn’t seem to be the increasing feel of the right wing press, business leaders or the public (according to the polls).

Teateaandmoretea · 17/10/2022 10:00

Me too. The nastiness on the media about her is ridiculous. Who in their right mind would be PM at all

No one in their right mind would be PM, that's another major problem. You need to basically be so arrogant that you don't believe the criticism or it doesn't get to you. Its why we ended up with Boris, that is exactly him.

Teateaandmoretea · 17/10/2022 10:00

You will see. We will get Starmer and he and his govermment will stifle every bit of enterprise in thiscountry

That really is highly unlikely to be fair.

vera99 · 17/10/2022 10:01

derxa · 17/10/2022 09:54

Me too. The nastiness on the media about her is ridiculous. Who in their right mind would be PM at all

As in Rest in ..... blobs gonna blob ...

Mumtofourandnomore · 17/10/2022 10:02

BirmaBrite · 17/10/2022 09:07

@Mumtofourandnomore I was listening to a Professor of Economics on the TV this morning and he said that pensions were never at risk and that the reason the BoE is stopping buying gilts is because hardly any of the pension companies approached them to do so ?

@BirmaBrite the pensions thing is complicated - the Pensions Regulator actively encouraged companies to hedge their defined benefit schemes with LDIs (liability driven instruments), and because the scheme is hedged, the rise and fall of interest rates doesn’t actually impact the funding of the scheme - so the Professor is correct - overall, the scheme funding is not affected. In fact, there are some advantages to higher rates.

However, the issue is one of liquidity rather than funding which absolutely is a problem - it’s not just pension schemes, it’s companies that have defined benefit schemes, and who hedge them (which is the right thing to do !). The volatility in gilts (higher yields, lower value) and meant that pension schemes suddenly had to hand over cash to plug the collateral/security gap and many schemes did not have the liquid assets to sell off at short notice. To raise cash they would’ve sold equity assets, causing a market crash and subsequent vicious circle. Hence why the BoE stepped in.

So I agree that pension funding is not an issue, but cash liquidity definitely is.

@Flapjacker48 , I do agree with both your posts, I think it’s difficult for Truss though given she campaigned on this vision, which was flawed in current times I think. I’m an accountant too, and I find it hard ! I would still vote Tory because I don’t think Labour can deliver anything better in the current environment - Covid and Ukraine are basically uncontrollable and are the without doubt the key factors driving the economy at present - it’s definitely not business as usual.

Sooverthemill · 17/10/2022 10:04

Teateaandmoretea · 17/10/2022 09:58

I looked it up! This is the earliest reference I could find fast (from 2014) and it's obviously an amorphous bunch of people who disagree with you if you're tory

Nope, they push their own agenda. Pro lockdown was one of the most damaging.

Don't understand your response. The blob pushes their own agenda or the tories do? Don't all political parties do that. I'm pro lockdown btw wish we still had it in many ways now the numbers are back up

Sooverthemill · 17/10/2022 10:06

Yes, @vera99 that's what I take it to mean

im a member if the Labour Party so hoping this all helps us win the next GE

BirmaBrite · 17/10/2022 10:09

Thank you for that very clear explanation @Mumtofourandnomore Smile

vera99 · 17/10/2022 10:12

Sooverthemill · 17/10/2022 10:06

Yes, @vera99 that's what I take it to mean

im a member if the Labour Party so hoping this all helps us win the next GE

Great stuff don't need to hope it's a racing certainty - but just how trashed will everything be when Sir Keir stands in 10 Downing Street at the lectern? These vandals can do a lot more damage before they are done. They have given us Brexit, Johnson and Truss and still, they crow. I'd be quiet for a while if I was them.

FistFullOfRegrets · 17/10/2022 10:18

BonesOfWhatYouBelieve · 17/10/2022 08:39

Honestly, I don't think a GE is going to help. Who do Tory's put forward that will inspire confidence & there's no credible opposition.

There's no credible government.

@BonesOfWhatYouBelieve

plesse don't twist my post.

FistFullOfRegrets · 17/10/2022 10:22

threegoodthings · 17/10/2022 08:36

Fortunately the polls don't agree with you. Did you see Starmer's speech at the party conference? How you could put him in the same bracket as Truss is just ridiculous.

His speech was ok.

Out of all the ones he's made since he became leader... getting one that's not too bad is hardly an achievement.

Not to mention the flaming obvious, but a speech is not policies or action. It's not an achievable plan, it's just well presented 'pick me pick me' waffle.

ToooMuchToDo · 17/10/2022 10:23

Oh gosh I hope so! We REALLY NEED a general election too. Will it happen? Probably not :( but here's hoping! 🤞🤞

TooExtraImmatureCheddar · 17/10/2022 10:25

I think the blob is a Telegraph construct - certainly my Telegraph reading MIL trotted it out as a fact last time I saw her. It seems to mean 'boring bastards who won't let us do what we want', so the Bank of England, the IMF, their own rebel colleagues, large sections of voters, the civil service, amorphous managers in the NHS...

SleeplessInEngland · 17/10/2022 10:25

Schrodinger's election. The tories won't call one because they know they'll be decimated, but changing leader yet again without one makes them look even worse and they just lose it harder in two years.

lannistunut · 17/10/2022 10:25

DuncinToffee · 17/10/2022 09:51

What is this 'blob'? I have seen it mentioned on a few threads this weekend.

The 'blob' is mainstream thought & expert opinion. The blob joined forces with 'remoaners' over Brexit. Now referred to as the 'anti-growth coaltion' by Truss.

The term was first made famous by Gove, criticising teachers and civil servants who wanted to actually educate kids - and it was he who claimed 'people of this country have had enough of experts'. Not sure we have had enough of basic competence though.

Here is a regular anti-blob commentator bemoaning the blob again today: www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/10/17/liz-truss-victim-british-coup/ Deviate from orthodoxy, and you’ll be crushed by the Remainer, ‘expert’-driven establishment Hmm/Grin/Angry

Weirdly it appears the markets have been unmasked as members of the blob/AGC too, which is an exciting plot twist and a big threat to the plucky dipshits radical thinkers like Truss, Minford etc.

vera99 · 17/10/2022 10:28

Quite a few Tories aren't standing at the next GE and may just want out and some may cross the floor if Starmer can give them some sort of assurances. They may even just not have the energy left to govern so force the government down and a GE and then go and make mega bucks in the shadows rather than just the 90k or whatever it is they earn as backbenchers. Who knows we are in uncharted territory for sure.

lannistunut · 17/10/2022 10:28

In polling news, Redfield and Wilton will have a new poll out at 5pm tonight: twitter.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/1581933650698186753

vera99 · 17/10/2022 10:31

Britain Elects

Oct 14
Westminster voting intention:
LAB: 53% (+1)
CON: 19% (-1)
LDEM: 8% (-)
GRN: 6% (-1)

Choccolocko · 17/10/2022 10:38

Teateaandmoretea · 17/10/2022 10:00

You will see. We will get Starmer and he and his govermment will stifle every bit of enterprise in thiscountry

That really is highly unlikely to be fair.

What ??? So like Blair and Brown. For goodness sake

pointythings · 17/10/2022 10:42

I've noticed I am getting a lot of YouGov surveys at the moment, and no matter what the subject matter is, there's always an opinion question or two about Liz Truss, the government's handling of the economy or both.

Alltheprettyseahorses · 17/10/2022 10:44

StJeanDeVence · 17/10/2022 09:18

Frankly, as a voter I cba spending ages googling various interpretations of what Labour policies might or might not be based on some little speech somewhere that's to be seen through whichever Guardian propagandist is on duty

I mean, you could just visit the website where the policies are just...there. No 'guardianista propagandist' needed. Good grief.

Make your mind up.

Voters can visit the website to look for policies - but there aren't any so yes we do have to rely on propagandists.

As per your second post to me voters are being unreasonable in wanting policies before a GE is called which renders your first snippy answer redundant.

Have more respect for the electorate. Political parties need us and I am rapidly coming to the conclusion we really don't need them.

lannistunut · 17/10/2022 10:45

pointythings · 17/10/2022 10:42

I've noticed I am getting a lot of YouGov surveys at the moment, and no matter what the subject matter is, there's always an opinion question or two about Liz Truss, the government's handling of the economy or both.

Not saying you are personally, but important not to confuse those surveys with opinion polls. Opinion polls are representative, surveys are not. The recent polling has been properly amazing.

It is not possible to compare Labour leads now with Labour leads during the Major government as the methodology has changed - old polls used to overstate Labour.

FistFullOfRegrets · 17/10/2022 10:48

GottaGetOutofDairy · 17/10/2022 08:53

Credible leads in a fickle public opinion does not speak of competance

Not but it credible leads do speak of credibility.

As I say, they may not be your preferred flavour, but it is not right to say they are not credible. They are. In the end, that fickle public opinion will be the deciding factor.

And frankly, my own personal view is that this bunch are so fucking awful. So terrible. So utterly utterly bloody shit that I am willing to gamble with anyone else but them.

I wouldn't call it gambling, more like stupidity, not to learn the lessons, well documented, in recent history.

BonesOfWhatYouBelieve · 17/10/2022 10:50

FistFullOfRegrets · 17/10/2022 10:18

@BonesOfWhatYouBelieve

plesse don't twist my post.

I genuinely didn’t think I was. You said there was no credible opposition. I answered that there was no credible government. I didn’t mean to twist anything.

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