Will Liz Truss resign today?

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Or maybe Tuesday at the latest? Would she really want to face the absolute public humiliation of PMQs on Wednesday?

@wheresmymojo

Surely you have to be some kind of sociopath to not be on the verge of a mental breakdown after making this

You are not allowing for why she has perused these policies. The Tories are in the grip of a group with very interesting approaches to democracy, who will all have made significant fortunes from the crash (having know it would happen they can cash out then buy back when prices drop. They really don't care about 'minor' impacts like the cost of living increases because they don't care about 'normal' people.

She has done what she promised she would do. Whether they now have any more use for her, we shall find out by how long she lasts. If she has promised anything especially I expect it would be the sell off of contracts in place of the current NHS provision which will also make fortunes for those in a position to take advantage of them.

I expect that in those circles she is considered a useful idiot.

What???

Truss was totally un conservative, borrowing on the money markets to cut taxes... something Thatcher would and never did do nor has any Tory Govt until she came along.

@BirmaBrite Privately yes, publicly no - but it doesn't matter so much as it will be abolition of tax cuts etc. ONE of the aims of today is to try and make the 30th October OBR report showing a lower expected deficit by what Hunt confirms today.

I truly don’t believe that change is definitely worse - if the alternative is keeping in a Tory government who have wreaked havoc on our economy and international relatives for the past decade then bring on change.

Truss was totally un conservative, borrowing on the money markets to cut taxes... something Thatcher would and never did do nor has any Tory Govt until she came along.

Cutting taxes is conservative. Borrowing to do so may be dumb, but that doesn't mean it isn't conservative.

This Torsten Bell thread explains it

Important to understand why the Chancellor is acting today. It’s not just about bringing forward some tax/spend announcements from 31st October - it’s trying to reduce how many he has to announcement full stop. Because…
…the @OBR_UK won’t have finalised the interest rate assumptions underpinning their government debt interest forecast. So pre-announcing tough choices is about hoping that markets reduce rates on govt debt ➡️ a smaller fiscal hole to fill on 31st October
twitter.com/TorstenBell/status/1581896754102145025?t=T4BwK8BDe0UPoJ8NoREx2A&s=19

The issue is that there is another global financial crisis coming and our political system is broken. The idea that Kier Starmer or anyone can fix this is farcical.

We have rule by the media blob, I'd like to think that PR would help but I'm not sure it would. And we are heading for recession regardless.

This I agree with. Ironically Truss has tried to be.

I disagree. Low taxes is Conservative but only when hand in hand with fiscal responsibility (i.e. a conservative approach).

She has behaved like a maverick and the markets have, predictably, balked at her plans because they were not introduced responsibly.

Conservative is right wing so every man for his or her self. That is what it is based on.

I'm not saying Truss hasn't been awful, but quite simply right wing politics right now is an outdated concept. Largely because too many people are struggling financially.

So people banging on about 'we need proper conservatives' are deluded.

Maybe, but stack up the Chancellors:

Hunt vs Reeves.

Both studied Philosophy, Politics, and Economics at Oxford. But then both took careers in different directions. Hunt appears to have followed mgt consultancy, language and PR pathways.

Reeves went on to study Economics at MSc, worked for the BoE as an Economist and the British Embassy in a similar role.

If I was choosing someone try and steer us through the coming storm, Reeves would appear to be the far better qualified.

Well, you don't know any of that & its also a very defeatist attitude.

KS shouldn't have to "fix" anything, Truss for whatever reason, has made matters far worse.

Only one Conservative govt cut direct taxes (whilst putting up a host of indirect ones) all the others put them both up, so i'm not sure why you think Tories cut taxes?

Why do you assume that this was not a deliberate way of enriching tory donors and potential tory donors at the expense of the vast majority? That is the way most of their policies are designed to work and exactly how this policy worked.

Imo both parties have tested the extremes and found out to their cost we don’t want it. Parties have their own spectrum so when the extreme fails the centrists find their voices. Imo that’s better for us as we tend to vote centrally (for the U.K.)

The latest Tory bottery is to abandon Clav's c&p whataboutery - realising that trying to defend this shower of shit is a lost cause. They have pivoted now to all politicians are the same, it doesn't matter who wins we all lose, it was going to happen anyway these deficiencies were baked into the system long ago by Gordon Brown (true!), Starmer's got no policies, but whatever they do don't bring up penises (but do anyway hoping some lurker will take the bait). That said most have given up as turd polishing is an epic lost cause.

I've never wanted a General Election so badly. Imagine the state this country could be in in another couple of years. Selfishly I want Truss to doing on for a bit so Labour will wipe the floor with the Tories in a GE.

Why do you assume that this was not a deliberate way of enriching tory donors and potential tory donors at the expense of the vast majority?

Precisely. Why else would KK be drinking champagne with a bunch of fund managers just after delivering his mini budget.

The rest of the country (and global markets) were stood there in disbelief thinking WTAF are you doing?

But they were celebrating. Think about why that is, Tory supporters.

Oh and chuck in the blob in here and there - if it wasn't for the devilish machinations of the blob we would be winning...

That's definitely the new tory apologist word on twitter. The media is now 'a blob'. Tory rebels are now 'a blob'. The 75% of voters who wouldn't vote tory at the next election are now 'a blob'. Funnily enough they weren't a blob when they voted for brexit.

God I hope so

What is this 'blob'? I have seen it mentioned on a few threads this weekend.

Just assume that anyone using it without irony is a tory bot, it'll save you time.

Sound advice, thank you

Me too. The nastiness on the media about her is ridiculous. Who in their right mind would be PM at all

I looked it up! This is the earliest reference I could find fast (from 2014) and it's obviously an amorphous bunch of people who disagree with you if you're tory

"Michael Gove is conjuring up images of himself as Hollywood legend Steve McQueen as he carries on with his battle to reform state schools.

The Education Secretary has likened his plight to the dilemma facing McQueen in the 1958 science fiction film, "The Blob", about an amoeba which was eating up the world. Trouble is, no-one believed McQueen because they had not seen the amoeba.

Gove and his supporters face a similar dilemma. Their Blob is not a shivering amoeba - but an army of bureaucrats, academics and teachers’ unions they see as thwarting the changes that have to be made if we are to have a world-class education service."

I looked it up! This is the earliest reference I could find fast (from 2014) and it's obviously an amorphous bunch of people who disagree with you if you're tory

Nope, they push their own agenda. Pro lockdown was one of the most damaging.