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Will Liz Truss resign today?

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sunnydaytoday0 · 17/10/2022 01:00

Or maybe Tuesday at the latest? Would she really want to face the absolute public humiliation of PMQs on Wednesday?

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EllaB22 · 17/10/2022 13:51

She is clearly incompetent and needs to go.

I just have this niggle would the party / press be so ruthless with a man?

RedToothBrush · 17/10/2022 13:58

Jim Pickard AT PickardJE
Liz Truss has refused to answer Labour’s urgent question at 3.30pm on the economic turmoil and is sending Penny Mordaunt instead

What is the point in Liz Truss. Jezza and Penny are literally doing her job for her, because she's done it so badly.

Where is the fridge?

Cornettoninja · 17/10/2022 13:58

I just have this niggle would the party / press be so ruthless with a man?

I don’t think Kwasi has gotten off particularly lightly.

MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 17/10/2022 14:00

The fact that she isn't going to answer Labour's urgent question tells me that she is writing her resignation speech.

For once, I agree with George Osborne. If she has any hope at all of remaining in her job then she has to front it out today. The fact that she apparently isn't willing to do that can surely only mean one thing. I think we'll see her resign before the day is out.

The real question is, what will the Tories do next?

StJeanDeVence · 17/10/2022 14:00

Perhaps she's already resigned and they're just waiting for the 6 o'clock news to announce it. Like when the Queen died.

boys3 · 17/10/2022 14:01

Liz Truss has refused to answer Labour’s urgent question at 3.30pm on the economic turmoil and is sending Penny Mordaunt instead

Just saw that on the BBC News Channel - surely that has to be the last straw, or has she found a vestige of integrity with a resignation (hers!) imminent?

Blossomtoes · 17/10/2022 14:02

Isn’t cancelling HS2 a bit pointless, as iso much work has been done on it already?

That’s called the fallacy of sunk costs. The reverse of which is don’t throw good money after bad. I’d stop it in a heartbeat if I was PM today. Between that and taxing the energy companies, the hole in UK finances would be filled. Job done - for now.

MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 17/10/2022 14:03

EllaB22 · 17/10/2022 13:51

She is clearly incompetent and needs to go.

I just have this niggle would the party / press be so ruthless with a man?

I know what you mean. I have asked myself the same question. There is always a danger that women will be held to higher standards than men.

On this occasion, though, my conclusion is that yes, a man would have been given an equally hard time. Anyone demonstrating this degree of incompetence and fucking up on such a grand scale would absolutely be torn to shreds by the media, on Twitter and by their fellow MPs. Her failure is such that it couldn't have gone any other way.

BonesOfWhatYouBelieve · 17/10/2022 14:10

boys3 · 17/10/2022 14:01

Liz Truss has refused to answer Labour’s urgent question at 3.30pm on the economic turmoil and is sending Penny Mordaunt instead

Just saw that on the BBC News Channel - surely that has to be the last straw, or has she found a vestige of integrity with a resignation (hers!) imminent?

If she's still around on Wednesday how will she cope with PMQ's??

MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 17/10/2022 14:12

Perhaps she'll make a surprise visit to Ukraine? It seemed to work for her predecessor...

RedToothBrush · 17/10/2022 14:13

Blossomtoes · 17/10/2022 14:02

Isn’t cancelling HS2 a bit pointless, as iso much work has been done on it already?

That’s called the fallacy of sunk costs. The reverse of which is don’t throw good money after bad. I’d stop it in a heartbeat if I was PM today. Between that and taxing the energy companies, the hole in UK finances would be filled. Job done - for now.

We were talking about this with friends the other day.

One of them thought that building will never go past Birmingham. A offshoot already got canned up here last year. I can see the rest north of Birmingham going the same way as its not yet started.

One of the arguments against HS2 was it pulled things towards London and didn't actually benefit the north. My argument here is that actually instead of the leg north of Birmingham we'd be better up here putting the money into transpennine routes.

This would pull things towards Manchester and be more likely to create a two centre country rather than the single centre we have with London.

We don't need London up here. We do need to improve local transport as a greater priority.

RedToothBrush · 17/10/2022 14:13

BonesOfWhatYouBelieve · 17/10/2022 14:10

If she's still around on Wednesday how will she cope with PMQ's??

By delegating it to someone else?

vera99 · 17/10/2022 14:15

She's officially toast now and will be working on her resignation with the grey suits having come to terms with the crushing limits of her abilities. What a fucking shower of shit the tories have foisted upon us - have they no shame, have they no decency?

MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 17/10/2022 14:20

vera99 · 17/10/2022 14:15

She's officially toast now and will be working on her resignation with the grey suits having come to terms with the crushing limits of her abilities. What a fucking shower of shit the tories have foisted upon us - have they no shame, have they no decency?

No, they have no shame and no decency. However, to be fair to them, the electorate put Boris Johnson in the role of PM at the last election, so the Tories could reasonably be forgiven for reaching the conclusion that the general public don't really care much about that sort of thing. The current government is merely building on his legacy.

RoachTheHorse · 17/10/2022 14:20

@RedToothBrush I know the NE would like to see investment in the metro system to bring Newcastle, Durham, and Sunderland together. Tying up here in with Manchester - Leeds - Liverpool etc would benefit the north massively. Linking to the midlands would be even better.

There's a lot of anger in some places that HS2 was started in London rather than up in the north. Once again we've been forgotten.

Endlesssummer2022 · 17/10/2022 14:21

MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 17/10/2022 14:00

The fact that she isn't going to answer Labour's urgent question tells me that she is writing her resignation speech.

For once, I agree with George Osborne. If she has any hope at all of remaining in her job then she has to front it out today. The fact that she apparently isn't willing to do that can surely only mean one thing. I think we'll see her resign before the day is out.

The real question is, what will the Tories do next?

Don’t feel too sorry for her. As with all former PMs she’s now entitled to £115k a year for the rest of her life.

PumpkinPicker83 · 17/10/2022 14:23

StJeanDeVence · 17/10/2022 12:14

Sadly, bad as she is I genuinely believe the Labour party will be worse

Genuinely - and respectfully - how?

Yes how exactly?!! It's not possible to be worse than this.

All the respectable Tories and those with integrity were purged by Johnson the egomaniac for failing to support his Brexit policy and we were left with the right wingers and populists. The "best" of those were appointed to Johnson's cabinet before even they were ousted by Truss's cabinet appointments of Trussenomic loyalists (aka those willing to sell their souls to the devil for power).

Basically the absolute fucking dregs of the Conservative party and third rate politicians, of whom Truss was deemed the best of the lot. No-one can even agree on a potential leader from within this cesspit.

They NEED a general election if they are ever going to rebuild their party to be electable again.

We NEED a general election to get a credible government before the international markets and governments give up on us as a loony banana republic for ever.

TheGhostOfLiz · 17/10/2022 14:25

If she's not writing a resignation speech, she's been locked in the basement by her party because every time she says something publicly, the markets crash.

However, the fact that she's throwing a reception bash at the end of the day today for her colleagues, suggests to me she's handing in her keys?

PumpkinPicker83 · 17/10/2022 14:26

RoachTheHorse · 17/10/2022 14:20

@RedToothBrush I know the NE would like to see investment in the metro system to bring Newcastle, Durham, and Sunderland together. Tying up here in with Manchester - Leeds - Liverpool etc would benefit the north massively. Linking to the midlands would be even better.

There's a lot of anger in some places that HS2 was started in London rather than up in the north. Once again we've been forgotten.

As a Londoner I agree with you and they should have gone with a northern powerhouse rail type model instead of HS2.

It's not been beneficial to London though, as so much of our surrounding countryside has now been carved up and destroyed.

TheGhostOfLiz · 17/10/2022 14:27

It's not been beneficial to London though, as so much of our surrounding countryside has now been carved up and destroyed.

I saw this recently when visiting family. It's post-apocalytically terrifying how much has been torn up and now stands destroyed but vacant. Just waiting for the day when work there might resume again.

NameChangeForARaisin · 17/10/2022 14:28

The £115k a year needs to be scrapped. At a time when others are fearing the loss of their pensions, it is a complete disgrace.

FWIW, I think the only Tory politician capable of taking over the mess left by Boris was Sajid Javid. I'm not a fan of the Tories generally but I've worked in the NHS for 30 years and I think he had some good ideas. Shame that his joined up IT services plans won't come to fruition now.

MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 17/10/2022 14:30

Endlesssummer2022 · 17/10/2022 14:21

Don’t feel too sorry for her. As with all former PMs she’s now entitled to £115k a year for the rest of her life.

Oh, I don't feel sorry for her, other than on a human level when I think how awful it must be to realise that you've got your dream job and that you're an absolute crashing failure in it. That must be tough, and in her case, she can't really convince herself that it's just a bad case of imposter syndrome because she really has objectively failed terribly. Must be very humiliating.

My pity is very limited, though, because she has brought it on herself through her own arrogance. She was warned about the likely impact of her proposed policies but she didn't listen. She was offered a forecast by the OBR but she didn't accept it. She was so convinced of her own rightness and so reckless about the impact of getting it wrong... she is truly the author of her own downfall and she deserves the humiliation that she is now facing.

It seems wrong that she should be entitled to the PM pension after such a short period in office. I wonder if they can change the rules on this to introduce some kind of minimum qualifying period? She should not be entitled to that kind of income purely in exchange for fucking the country over and then fucking off!

PumpkinPicker83 · 17/10/2022 14:31

NameChangeForARaisin · 17/10/2022 14:28

The £115k a year needs to be scrapped. At a time when others are fearing the loss of their pensions, it is a complete disgrace.

FWIW, I think the only Tory politician capable of taking over the mess left by Boris was Sajid Javid. I'm not a fan of the Tories generally but I've worked in the NHS for 30 years and I think he had some good ideas. Shame that his joined up IT services plans won't come to fruition now.

There are so many plans that have been started, stopped, started throughout the turmoil of the last two PMs. It's ridiculous - there have been something like 7 education secretaries!! How can anything get done!

It's a shit show!

Butterflyfluff · 17/10/2022 14:31

She surely can’t survive the day now the energy support has been largely reversed - it was the only thing she said, on some mad auto-repeat, after her car crash press conference on Friday

L1ttledrummergirl · 17/10/2022 14:34

So she's not going to bother turning up to house of commons for the urgent question, but she is going to throw a party.

No change there for the tory leadership.

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