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To not let my 8 year old son go to the bathroom alone?

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TiredTravelMug · 15/10/2022 15:54

Hi all,

I'm a single mum to a darling 8 year old boy. It's just me and him and always has been. Lately though, whenever we go out shopping or to eat etc, if he needs the bathroom, I'll insist on taking him into the ladies. I've been told I worry too much (very true!) And I trust my boy not to misbehave or talk to strangers, but there's still that part of my brain that says "better safe than sorry".

The problem is, my boy is almost 9 and is getting really embarrassed about having to use the ladies in public. He asks everytime if he can use the mens room and as much as I want him to be independent and things like that, my need to protect him from any possible harm overwhelms me and I say no.

So, am I being unreasonable, or taking extra steps to keep him safe? He is still a very young child at the end of the day, and as much as I ask him to use the bathroom before we leave the house, sometimes nature calls!

Thank you!

OP posts:
oviraptor21 · 15/10/2022 20:47

SirSamVimesCityWatch · 15/10/2022 15:58

You are being unreasonable. Boys are allowed in the women's toilets, accompanied, up to the age of 8. Then they should be going in the men's.

You can wait outside for him, tell him to shout if anything is wrong, but you can't allow him to continue to invade a female-only space.

Do you have some source/authority for this rule you have stated?

WindyKnickers · 15/10/2022 20:49

My little 7 yo has been using the mens toilets for a while now. I usually give him the choice and occasionally he comes in the ladies with me. My main concern isn't weirdos and pedophiles but the lock sticking or a door being too heavy or a scorching hot tap.

CapMarvel · 15/10/2022 20:53

SunlightThroughTrees · 15/10/2022 20:03

Really surprised at the number of people referring to busy shopping centre toilets as being safe for their boys to go to the men’s loos on their own. There have sadly been loads of cases of boys being assaulted in shopping centre toilets.

Has there? Really?

MinervaTerrathorn · 15/10/2022 20:59

SunlightThroughTrees · 15/10/2022 20:03

Really surprised at the number of people referring to busy shopping centre toilets as being safe for their boys to go to the men’s loos on their own. There have sadly been loads of cases of boys being assaulted in shopping centre toilets.

I always figured because there are other men and boys using the loos, which should discourage a potential predator. Like walking along a main road rather than an unlit footpath at night. I was outside when DS was young so he couldn't have been taken away by anyone.

Flubber88 · 15/10/2022 21:04

Vulpine · 15/10/2022 16:01

Statistically the likelihood of anything happening is very small, don't live your life in fear

This.

VeganFromSveden · 15/10/2022 21:17

Not read the full thread yet, but I get your pain op.
when I made the transition with my lad, it was an anxious five minutes…. Worse still if he took an inordinately long time… every male that exited the “mens” was a disappointment that it wasn’t my lad.
on at least one occasion, I asked if a male could yell out to him to ask if he was ok… goodness knows what was taking him so long.
thankfully, it always turned out fine.
but just to assure you that if you haven’t got a trusted male with you, it can be pretty nerve wracking.
I hope your lad relishes his new little piece of independence, but make sure he knows his barriers.

Brefugee · 15/10/2022 21:20

I've just caught up on the thread. General gist is: "i have a boy and I'll take him where the fuck i like and your daughters can suck it up"

"I'm a mum of girls and they don't want to see their classmates in the ladies" - "fuck them they should suck it up"

To paraphrase.

So that's lovely. As for those of you taking your 10 year old boy in and him using a cubicle - thanks for making the fucking queue fucking longer. (also last time a - looked like - 10 year old was in a public loo i was using, while his mum was still in her cubicle, for ages, he was climbing up the doors and peering over the top. I told him to get the fuck down and stand quietly out of the way, and got a mouthful from her. Fuck that shit)

What is the answer? I don't know, but it isn't using the accessible toilets and it shouldn't be taking up a cubicle that a woman or girl needs.

Fastandlupine · 15/10/2022 21:29

And pissing on the seat

LimpBiskit · 15/10/2022 21:32

VeganFromSveden · 15/10/2022 21:17

Not read the full thread yet, but I get your pain op.
when I made the transition with my lad, it was an anxious five minutes…. Worse still if he took an inordinately long time… every male that exited the “mens” was a disappointment that it wasn’t my lad.
on at least one occasion, I asked if a male could yell out to him to ask if he was ok… goodness knows what was taking him so long.
thankfully, it always turned out fine.
but just to assure you that if you haven’t got a trusted male with you, it can be pretty nerve wracking.
I hope your lad relishes his new little piece of independence, but make sure he knows his barriers.

What do you mean by know his barriers?

EarringsandLipstick · 15/10/2022 21:36

You criticised the poster who said if her ten year old son takes too long in the men's toilets, she calls in to check he's ok

You probably want to read that poster's post in full, and accordingly my response.

Tho, yes, I have never yet, with 3 DC had a need to call in to them while their in the toilets to see if they are ok.

EarringsandLipstick · 15/10/2022 21:38

Motherskiss · 15/10/2022 16:36

I won’t let my recently turned 9 year old use a mens public bathroom without me. I have no shame about it. Do what you think is best and ignore all judgement.

Why on Earth not?

Of course life in general has risks, but do you really think there's much risk to a 9 yo going to a public toilet in a busy, widely used area?

OoooohMatron · 15/10/2022 21:38

Brefugee · 15/10/2022 21:20

I've just caught up on the thread. General gist is: "i have a boy and I'll take him where the fuck i like and your daughters can suck it up"

"I'm a mum of girls and they don't want to see their classmates in the ladies" - "fuck them they should suck it up"

To paraphrase.

So that's lovely. As for those of you taking your 10 year old boy in and him using a cubicle - thanks for making the fucking queue fucking longer. (also last time a - looked like - 10 year old was in a public loo i was using, while his mum was still in her cubicle, for ages, he was climbing up the doors and peering over the top. I told him to get the fuck down and stand quietly out of the way, and got a mouthful from her. Fuck that shit)

What is the answer? I don't know, but it isn't using the accessible toilets and it shouldn't be taking up a cubicle that a woman or girl needs.

Oh goody. Hating men has not gone far enough so you've extended it to little boys.

EarringsandLipstick · 15/10/2022 21:41

CrookCrane · 15/10/2022 17:00

Everyone saying he can shout or leave if he’s uncomfortable or anything happens. Are you all really that stupid to think a child (or adult) will always be able to shout or run. It’s so so common for people to freeze in a situation like that. It’s just not worth the risk in my opinion. When my DS gets to an age where he has to go in the mens I’ll be standing outside holding the door open slightly and shouting to him every minute or two so that any predators know his parent is a few feet away.

How many predators do you really think lurk in otherwise safe, busy, public toilets? Of course the there's a certain amount of risk everywhere; this one is tiny.

GettingItOutThere · 15/10/2022 21:42

on a personal note.. I have NO issue with a young boy/child using ladies toilets until 10/11 they are most individual cubicles anyhow - wha exactly do people think he is going to see/do?

He is a child, and should be shielded from the absolute shite that goes on in men's toilets.

mum of both.

ancientgran · 15/10/2022 21:45

Flubber88 · 15/10/2022 21:04

This.

Does that go for women who need safe spaces? The chances of an 8 year old assaulting you in your "safe space" is vanishingly small so don't live your life in fear.

ancientgran · 15/10/2022 21:47

EarringsandLipstick · 15/10/2022 21:41

How many predators do you really think lurk in otherwise safe, busy, public toilets? Of course the there's a certain amount of risk everywhere; this one is tiny.

I did what a previous poster suggested it and googled it. Two searches, one for boys and one for girls. For boys in UK being assaulted within the last 6 months 4 cases came up on the first page of boys being assaulted by a man. For girls one came up, a teenage girl attacked by another teenage girl.

OoooohMatron · 15/10/2022 21:49

PAFMO · 15/10/2022 17:49

As long as you keep your kid with his pants down the fuck away from my daughter ..

Fucking disgusting comment. I wouldn't let my son anywhere near someone like you.

Beezknees · 15/10/2022 21:52

EarringsandLipstick · 15/10/2022 21:38

Why on Earth not?

Of course life in general has risks, but do you really think there's much risk to a 9 yo going to a public toilet in a busy, widely used area?

Well, a lot of women here seem to think they're at huge risk in the toilets from primary school age boys.

EarringsandLipstick · 15/10/2022 21:52

fizzyfood · 15/10/2022 17:38

I take my 7 year old to the ladies loos. I think upto age 11 is ok.

😳

11!

frozenorangejuice · 15/10/2022 21:52

SirSamVimesCityWatch · 15/10/2022 15:58

You are being unreasonable. Boys are allowed in the women's toilets, accompanied, up to the age of 8. Then they should be going in the men's.

You can wait outside for him, tell him to shout if anything is wrong, but you can't allow him to continue to invade a female-only space.

8? Who says? There’s not a chance in hell I would send my DS into the mens alone aged 8, and any woman taking me to task over it in the ladies will get short bloody shrift.

Beezknees · 15/10/2022 21:55

Brefugee · 15/10/2022 21:20

I've just caught up on the thread. General gist is: "i have a boy and I'll take him where the fuck i like and your daughters can suck it up"

"I'm a mum of girls and they don't want to see their classmates in the ladies" - "fuck them they should suck it up"

To paraphrase.

So that's lovely. As for those of you taking your 10 year old boy in and him using a cubicle - thanks for making the fucking queue fucking longer. (also last time a - looked like - 10 year old was in a public loo i was using, while his mum was still in her cubicle, for ages, he was climbing up the doors and peering over the top. I told him to get the fuck down and stand quietly out of the way, and got a mouthful from her. Fuck that shit)

What is the answer? I don't know, but it isn't using the accessible toilets and it shouldn't be taking up a cubicle that a woman or girl needs.

Nah, consensus is just people caring more about their own children than someone else's children. Which is normal. When my DS was 8, he'd go in the ladies. I couldn't care less if a grown woman thought she was somehow at risk from an 8 year old, my concern was my young boy being alone with grown man in a vulnerable situation.

EarringsandLipstick · 15/10/2022 21:58

SunlightThroughTrees · 15/10/2022 20:03

Really surprised at the number of people referring to busy shopping centre toilets as being safe for their boys to go to the men’s loos on their own. There have sadly been loads of cases of boys being assaulted in shopping centre toilets.

Really? Loads? Do provide examples (of loads ... as opposed to isolated examples).

HouseBook · 15/10/2022 22:00

If you're not comfortable with him going to mens, then I suggest you earmark a few places that have either individual cubicles or individual disabled loos that he can use

Please don't.

It's hard enough as a disabled person finding suitable toilets without children using them because their parents don't want to let them use the facilities provided for them.

As an aside, parents should be teaching their children to respect disabled spaces.

EarringsandLipstick · 15/10/2022 22:01

Well, a lot of women here seem to think they're at huge risk in the toilets from primary school age boys.

I didn't read anyone saying that.

Some posters have said they consider it inappropriate, which doesn't equal 'huge risk'

I actually cannot remember any time I've seen a boy of more than say 5 or 6 (at a push) in the female toilets. (In Ireland).

Fastandlupine · 15/10/2022 22:02

Beesknees, I think you've misunderstood, women (some) aren't afraid of boys, they'd just rather they weren't there

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