My feed
Premium

Please
or
to access all these features

AIBU?

Can this c u next Tuesday of a government please stop fucking our economy?!

184 replies

Liztrussisuseless · 13/10/2022 14:32

Just that really. Everything bloody crashing including my pension. Please can someone make them see sense?!

OP posts:
Report

Am I being unreasonable?

225 votes. Final results.

POLL
You are being unreasonable
14%
You are NOT being unreasonable
86%
onmywayamarillo · 13/10/2022 16:28

Not sure weather to stop paying into my pension! I've only got 18 years left

Report
SerendipityJane · 13/10/2022 16:31

People voted for this, don't forget. They were warned, told us to go fuck ourselves and have now gone to ground.

Report
DismantledKing · 13/10/2022 16:31

We’re all at the whim at the mad gerontocracy that is the Conservative Party membership.

Report
Blossomtoes · 13/10/2022 16:34

StJeanDeVence · 13/10/2022 15:15

Have you watched Nomadland? DH and I watched it a couple of weeks ago. It's starting to feel more and more as if many of us will end up like the characters in that film.

Years and Years was pretty prophetic too. Anne Reid’s character’s speech pretty well described this.

Report
vera99 · 13/10/2022 16:35

www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/10/13/tory-mps-plotting-coronation-new-leader-replace-liz-truss/
Tory MPs plotting 'coronation' of new leader to replace Liz Truss
Rebellious backbenchers are discussing amongst themselves how and when to move against the Prime Minister
ByNick Gutteridge13 October 2022 • 2:55pm

Backbenchers are discussing amongst themselves how and when to move against Prime Minister Liz Truss
Rebellious Tory MPs are now openly talking about replacing Liz Truss, with the party trailing Labour by a record margin in the polls.
Backbenchers are discussing amongst themselves how and when to move against the Prime Minister, who is just six weeks into the job.
Many have been dismayed by the fallout from the mini-Budget and feel ousting her is now the only way to prevent a wipeout at the next election.
Here we look at how Ms Truss could be removed from her post.

What are the rules?
Normally it requires 15 per cent of the parliamentary party to force a leadership vote, meaning she would face one if 53 of her MPs submitted no confidence letters.
But the rules also state only one contest can be held in any 12-month period, meaning the Prime Minister is currently safe in her post for another year.
There has been widespread talk that the powerful 1922 backbench committee, which sets the party’s internal rulebook, could change them given the outcry amongst MPs.
It would be up to the executive committee, chaired by Sir Graham Brady, to come to a decision after testing the water amongst parliamentary colleagues.

Can MPs oust the Prime Minister?
If enough MPs submitted no confidence letters in the Prime Minister, then the 1922 executive would have little choice but to act.
Reports have suggested Sir Graham is reluctant to change the rules and would only do so in the face of overwhelming demand.
He may even stipulate that as many as 178 MPs - half of the parliamentary party - submitted no confidence letters before acting.
If the 1922 executive did allow a confidence vote, it would then require just over half of Tory MPs to vote against the Prime Minister to oust her.
It is possible Ms Truss would choose to resign before such a vote if it was clear a majority of colleagues had lost faith in her leadership.

What would happen next?
If the Prime Minister were ousted or resigned, the 1922 executive would then meet to discuss the rules for an upcoming leadership contest.
Ms Truss would immediately lose her position as leader of the Conservatives, but would stay on as caretaker in No 10 until her successor was elected.
Tory leadership contests take place in two stages. First, candidates who secured enough backing from colleagues make a final shortlist.
The No 10 hopefuls are then subjected to quickfire rounds of voting amongst Conservative MPs, eventually being whittled down to a final two.
The last pair then embark on a series of hustings around the country before around 150,000 members choose between them in a ballot.

Could a contest be avoided?
Many Tory MPs don’t want to see the party go through another long and divisive leadership contest so soon after the last.
The talk among backbenchers is of organising a coronation instead by making sure enough colleagues rally around a unity candidate.
Some have suggested a solution would be to persuade the 1922 executive to set the bar for making the shortlist unusually high.
Instead of the 20 MPs required to make the ballot in the last contest, it could be raised to 100 so only a unity candidate could get through.
Another answer would be for backbenchers to coalesce strongly around one contender at the final two stage, forcing the other to stand down.
That has previously happened, such as in 2017 when Andrea Leadsom withdrew after it became clear MPs strongly favoured Theresa May.

Report
MissisBoote · 13/10/2022 16:35

Will it affect all pensions? Dh was hoping to retire in the next 5 years. He's got a police pension.

Report
User135644 · 13/10/2022 16:43

Vote Tory win bad prizes. This is what England wanted.

Report
LadyKenya · 13/10/2022 16:45

PickAnyName · 13/10/2022 14:46

More wisdom? They need chucking out! Bring on the General Election!

Yes!

Report
DashboardConfessional · 13/10/2022 16:50

My flabber is gasted. I'm in financial services and due at a national forecasting conference in November. At this rate we'll be done by 10 past 9 and on the wine.

Report
Blossomtoes · 13/10/2022 16:52

MissisBoote · 13/10/2022 16:35

Will it affect all pensions? Dh was hoping to retire in the next 5 years. He's got a police pension.

I think, given that the government has created this clusterfuck, it will have to protect public sector pensions. In any case, five years is a long time. Hopefully we’ll get a government of grown ups long before then.

Report
orbitalcrisis · 13/10/2022 16:53

No, I genuinely don't think they know how. They're total morons.

Report
DuncinToffee · 13/10/2022 16:56

The markets have improved slightly thanks to rumours of an incoming u-turn

It was nothing to do with the mini budget

Report
sjxoxo · 13/10/2022 17:03

Please think carefully at the next general election… 12 years of Tory government and almost all people - apart from a few - are poorer, the public sector is in dire dire straits, strikes, inflation, sinking pound… It was absolutely predictable surely? Maybe not the speed of the shit storm the last few weeks, but the overall picture we have from 12 years of Tory policy was very much foreseeable imo.
Please vote wisely 🙏

Report
deathofthesnark · 13/10/2022 17:07

Blossomtoes · 13/10/2022 14:54

Shortest term PM in history I reckon. I wish I was young enough to read what historians make of the last 12 years.

Sir Alec Douglas-Home – 1 year, 1 dayJust scraping it past his one-year anniversary, Sir Alec Douglas-Home became Prime Minister in October 1963 after Harold Macmillan resigned during a Conservative Party crisis. Old-fashioned and out of touch, Douglas-Home narrowly lost the 1964 election to the avuncular, pipe-smoking Harold Wilson

Report
SerendipityJane · 13/10/2022 17:07

sjxoxo · 13/10/2022 17:03

Please think carefully at the next general election… 12 years of Tory government and almost all people - apart from a few - are poorer, the public sector is in dire dire straits, strikes, inflation, sinking pound… It was absolutely predictable surely? Maybe not the speed of the shit storm the last few weeks, but the overall picture we have from 12 years of Tory policy was very much foreseeable imo.
Please vote wisely 🙏

None of this is any surprise to those of us who warned - shouted till we were hoarse and were called all sorts of names (and that's just on MN). And yet as a whole the country decided that it was a Tory government they wanted.

Report
deathofthesnark · 13/10/2022 17:07

That's modern history

Report
brianixon · 13/10/2022 17:07

I recently joined the Tory Party because I thought that Johnson was becoming too un-ethical. He was and the Party got rid of him. For all his faults he was much better at 'politicking' than this crowd.
Both Boris and Margaret would never have inflicted this on us.
An analyst told me today that Truss and KK have cut £60B from public spending. Just where exactly? I am waiting for the answer.

Report
MissisBoote · 13/10/2022 17:09

Thank you - let's hope so.

You dread watching the news for fear of what they've fucked up next. Wouldn't it be novel if politicians acted in the interests of the country...

Report
the80sweregreat · 13/10/2022 17:12

The conservatives are good at elections
The right wing press back them up and even the most sensible of people are immune to how bad they can be. My own siblings will say it's all a witch hunt and how much better they are with the economy and blame the LP for everything that's gone on. It's all Gordon Brown's fault.
Outside of mumsnet , many are still in awe of them it seems and will still vote for them.

Report
Tigerblue4 · 13/10/2022 17:12

Feel like we're all stuffed here. Those on benefits might not get what they were promised, mortgage payments going up - here DH is two years off retirement, I was going to retire in five years time - my pension is safe, but the pot is 18% down - and that's at the moment. DH had been looking to take one of his pensions as a lump sum that's gone down 10% in the last four weeks. All this alongside extra household costs. Most of us have tried to do the right thing, pay out way in terms of renting/mortgage, save what we can for the future to avoid handouts. Isn't much more I can say.

Report
DenholmElliot1 · 13/10/2022 17:12

Noyn · 13/10/2022 15:16

It’s terrible about the pensions - does this mean they’ll finally lose the grey vote as well?

High house prices and low interest rates are the only things that keep the tories in power so they won't win the next election IMO although it will be a good election to lose.

But dont worry, Kier and cavalry will save us all.

Report
Weightlossanne · 13/10/2022 17:14

Blossomtoes · 13/10/2022 16:34

Years and Years was pretty prophetic too. Anne Reid’s character’s speech pretty well described this.

Well she did wear a similar dress to Vivienne Rook.
Vivienne Rook

Report

Don’t want to miss threads like this?

Weekly

Sign up to our weekly round up and get all the best threads sent straight to your inbox!

Log in to update your newsletter preferences.

You've subscribed!

toulet · 13/10/2022 17:14

They certainly exacerbated it but I think it was coming anyway.

Report
AriettyHomily · 13/10/2022 17:14

We are totally fucked, where is the viable alternative? It's like a school captain vote.

Report
SerendipityJane · 13/10/2022 17:14

the80sweregreat · 13/10/2022 17:12

The conservatives are good at elections
The right wing press back them up and even the most sensible of people are immune to how bad they can be. My own siblings will say it's all a witch hunt and how much better they are with the economy and blame the LP for everything that's gone on. It's all Gordon Brown's fault.
Outside of mumsnet , many are still in awe of them it seems and will still vote for them.

I thought it was a remainer plot ?

Report
Please create an account

To comment on this thread you need to create a Mumsnet account.