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Why do women hate an OW?

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Oatmealbiscuits · 08/10/2022 17:47

When a woman is seeing a married man, why do people say they wouldn't want her as a friend, in their lives anymore etc? Why are they judged solely on one thing when there may be so many other positives to their character.

I'm curious really, for the record I'm not an other woman, but my friend is. It's her business and I shall be there when the shit inevitably hits the fan.

If some posters on here had their way, she wouldn't have friends and would be isolated and lonely. I just don't think anyone deserves that when in reality it's the man who has taken vows.

OP posts:
LemonDrop22 · 09/10/2022 22:23

It used to be a popular street name in Britain, Gropecunt Lane was in various places in England.

Fuck me lol

LemonDrop22 · 09/10/2022 22:24

English can be so harsh. I bet that would sound lovely in French.😀

ViolinPin · 09/10/2022 22:26

LemonDrop22 · 09/10/2022 22:23

It used to be a popular street name in Britain, Gropecunt Lane was in various places in England.

Fuck me lol

Yeah they did a lot of that on those lanes 😂

ReneBumsWombats · 09/10/2022 22:26

LemonDrop22 · 09/10/2022 21:26

It was the most apt word for your behaviour in conjunction with the word cheeky.

I call men cunts too incidentally. It's not reserved for women, even if it does refer to female anatomy. Just like people calling ken twats.

It was lazy, angry, thin-skinned abuse from a person who was driven to rage by a) having the misogyny in their worldview called out and b) being told to "keep up" after forgetting in post 2 (via an angry, accusatory rant) what they had been ranting about in post 1.

It couldn't be plainer what kind of person you are and what level on which you debate, and I'm not giving such a character any more of my time. Although I'll certainly report if I see you abusing anyone else, which I'm sure I will.

LemonDrop22 · 09/10/2022 22:29

ReneBumsWombats · 09/10/2022 22:26

It was lazy, angry, thin-skinned abuse from a person who was driven to rage by a) having the misogyny in their worldview called out and b) being told to "keep up" after forgetting in post 2 (via an angry, accusatory rant) what they had been ranting about in post 1.

It couldn't be plainer what kind of person you are and what level on which you debate, and I'm not giving such a character any more of my time. Although I'll certainly report if I see you abusing anyone else, which I'm sure I will.

Absolute nonsense.

The poster was unnecessary rude and combative and I called her out on it.

And the only person insulting people on this thread is yourself.

And I'll report your posts if I see you at it too. Now go and try bullying someone else.

LemonDrop22 · 09/10/2022 22:30

It couldn't be plainer what kind of person you are and what level on which you debate, and I'm not giving such a character any more of my time.

Ditto X 1000.

LemonDrop22 · 09/10/2022 22:32

ViolinPin · 09/10/2022 22:26

Yeah they did a lot of that on those lanes 😂

Thank goodness there are some normal people with a sense of himour on this thread.

ViolinPin · 09/10/2022 22:32

My go to for a lower level of irritation or disgust than cunt, is probably "utter wanker

I appluade you on your very good choice madam.

It's the T's in utter and gurning the face of the W that gives it the kick.

Fuck off's a good one, plenty of angry facial expression, with baring of teeth. 😂

greyandcontent · 09/10/2022 22:33

Gotskeaswr · 09/10/2022 21:33

Women who call women cunts tend to fall in to two categories I’ve noticed
a bit thick and/or
MC women trying to sound ‘edgy’ in some way

Given you see yourself as a bit of a talent on this categorising malarkey - what category do you put women who refer to other women as slags and sluts?

Amybelle88 · 09/10/2022 22:35

Gotskeaswr · 09/10/2022 21:33

Women who call women cunts tend to fall in to two categories I’ve noticed
a bit thick and/or
MC women trying to sound ‘edgy’ in some way

I'm a highly educated woman to be honest (BA, MA) . In a job that requires a high level of literacy and writing skills ironically. I'm not bothered about 'outing' myself, I'm a writer and easily traceable.

I call a cunt a cunt 🤷🏻‍♀️

No idea what MC woman is but yeah, sure Jan 👍

ViolinPin · 09/10/2022 22:36

Given you see yourself as a bit of a talent on this categorising
malarkey - what category do you put women who refer to other women as
slags and sluts?

To be clear are we talking about the phonetics of the words or the meanings🤓

Amybelle88 · 09/10/2022 22:38

LemonDrop22 · 09/10/2022 22:09

It seems to be the word of choice for anger,

It's because it's so hard and bitey and satisfying to say (if angry etc), the hard muh sound and hard tee sound. I don't think people even really associate it strongly with its original meaning. They're not really thinking about vulvas or vaginas (or an owner of one) when they use it.

Most definitely not am I thinking of a vag when I say it, you are totally correct 😂😂😂

But don't ever elude to not connecting it to a vagina, either, because the OW on this thread will tell you that you're also a closet mysoginist and haven't realised it yet. 😂🤦🏻‍♀️

HollyJollyXmas57 · 09/10/2022 22:48

I wouldn’t stop being friends with a friend if they become the OW.

Id guess others would be afraid she may take their husbands though so distance themselves.

ViolinPin · 09/10/2022 22:52

I've enjoyed this short interlude of historical facts etc, thank you ladies.

I must say that my reading of history and useless facts was probably foistered on me whilst my h was riding some unknown ow bareback across town.
It's not all doom and gloom though, I joined a band and could be often seen doing the sound checks shouting TESTING, TESTING 123, checking the mike for spit soakabilty and plosive sounds.

So for that ow, I thank you 😉

Cw112 · 09/10/2022 23:01

Noone is completely good or bad, people are grey and I do agree that the person who should be held first and foremost accountable is the married person who chooses to cheat.

However, if she is fully aware that the person is married and that her actions will harm a family and another person and she chooses to do it anyway then that's on her and yes she needs to be accountable for her actions and their consequences on other people. I also think there's a difference in supporting someone and enabling their behaviours, I wouldn't necessarily cut someone out completely for a one off but if they consistently made choices (and let's be real- this is an informed choice she's making that she knows will harm another person/ children) then I also don't think I could listen to that indefinitely without feeling complicit myself. If I knew who the wife was I'd feel torn between wanting to support my friend and wanting to tell the wife and friends don't drag friends into shitty moral positions like that with them. I also generally keep friends who's values and moral align with mine and hers wouldn't. So if she saw it as a one off mistake, fine. But if its a longstanding affair then no I wouldn't be her sounding board forever knowing that another family's world could come crashing down because of her actions.

At the end of the day she can justify it whatever way she likes but she's still choosing to continue this instead of as you say go for therapy and being responsible for herself. It sounds like she is using you as a way to talk herself into it instead of acknowledging that she's partaking in something wrong and hurtful and I don't think you're helping in that scenario. If it were me I'd be straight with her that if it ends and she wants support with that my door is always open but I won't have any other conversations about it because I can't agree with what she's doing because it's not right.

chicazurafa · 09/10/2022 23:31

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bloodyplanes · 10/10/2022 00:02

quitelikelyto · 08/10/2022 19:30

There are many things worse than being the OW. Being a cunty, self righteous, judgemental prick for one.

Nope, I would rather be all those things than an OW!

chicazurafa · 10/10/2022 00:06

Hearthnhome · 08/10/2022 18:14

I think the ‘they don’t owe me anything’ is bullshit.

Do you usually go round being an active participant in other peoples abuse and pain and it’s ok Cause you didn’t explicitly promise them that you wouldn’t?

Do you often happily help screw an individual over and think it’s fine because you don’t know them?

I consider an affair to be abusive and would not be friends with someone, who (knowingly) participated in abusing someone. It doesn’t make it ok that they don’t know the person on the receiving end of the abuse.

And this..

NotJustAnybody · 10/10/2022 00:53

All these people sitting on their high moral horse and calling everyone c*s.
It's rather ugly and yet you don't see it.

ViolinPin · 10/10/2022 00:57

NotJustAnybody · 10/10/2022 00:53

All these people sitting on their high moral horse and calling everyone c*s.
It's rather ugly and yet you don't see it.

don't see what ?

I don't see ow running around with placards admitting their activities but I know they exist.

NotJustAnybody · 10/10/2022 01:23

No one is infallible.

BalonzIsASurreyName · 10/10/2022 01:42

Would I ditch them ? Depends . Not if they didn't know he was taken

BalonzIsASurreyName · 10/10/2022 01:50

I think I would find it hard to keep friendship going because would lose respect for her

thisisthestoryabout · 10/10/2022 03:49

girlmom21 · 08/10/2022 17:50

Why are they judged solely on one thing when there may be so many other positives to their character.

Same reason as I don't want to be friends with racists or homophobes or people who are very right wing. We have completely different moral compasses.

This!

Skydaze · 10/10/2022 04:09

Speaking as someone who's family friend died after contracting HIV from her husband, who got it from his side-piece. Affairs have consequences - women have the right to know the exact terms in which they are having sex and the nature of the risk they are taking - that right doesn't cease just because you're married or in a relationship.

A massive element of the cheated-on partner's consent to sex within the relationship is removed by an affair. The choice to potentially participate in a version of rape (ie sex not able to be fully consented to due to pertinent details being hidden / the basis of consent being changed unilaterally without agreement or knowledge / sex obtained by deception) is not ever ok in my book. Yes the married person has responsibility, but if the OW knows he's married then she also made her choice. Anyone knowingly participating in the removal of another woman's consent is no friend of mine.

And c'mon - of course he's going to say he's not sleeping with his wife. Are you really going to trust the word of a proven liar?

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