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Why do women hate an OW?

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Oatmealbiscuits · 08/10/2022 17:47

When a woman is seeing a married man, why do people say they wouldn't want her as a friend, in their lives anymore etc? Why are they judged solely on one thing when there may be so many other positives to their character.

I'm curious really, for the record I'm not an other woman, but my friend is. It's her business and I shall be there when the shit inevitably hits the fan.

If some posters on here had their way, she wouldn't have friends and would be isolated and lonely. I just don't think anyone deserves that when in reality it's the man who has taken vows.

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Luxembourgmama · 09/10/2022 11:31

Why would anyone hate them? I just feel deeply sad they have such a lack of self respect to accept the dregs of manhood and I have a close friend who wasted 5 years of her life as an OW.

Puppyseahorse · 09/10/2022 11:40

I think I agree with those who have said internalised misogyny. Can you imagine a man dumping his friend because his friend had become an OM? Can you imagine this level of vitriol amongst a group of men towards ‘OM’s in their midst?

nope.

Hearthnhome · 09/10/2022 11:49

Puppyseahorse · 09/10/2022 11:40

I think I agree with those who have said internalised misogyny. Can you imagine a man dumping his friend because his friend had become an OM? Can you imagine this level of vitriol amongst a group of men towards ‘OM’s in their midst?

nope.

Your first sentence reads as ‘I agree with people who agree with me’, which I get. That’s your pov.

Actually I do know men who have done that. There’s an example of it on this thread, it was the cheaters male best friend who lured the affair. Dbro stopped contact with a long term friend as they all went on a stag do abroad. This one friend disappeared for 24 hours with another woman. Most of the group, backed off.

I have seen it at work, male colleagues actively distancing themselves from a colleague who is shagging another colleague.

But also, I don’t have to change my stance because men (in general) have a different one. Just because Men (as a whole) have a particular way of dealing with something, that doesn’t mean it’s the right way or that women should do the same.

When has something been the correct way to do something because men do it? I can think of loads of things men do, that I wouldn’t.

ArcticSkewer · 09/10/2022 11:53

Puppyseahorse · 09/10/2022 11:40

I think I agree with those who have said internalised misogyny. Can you imagine a man dumping his friend because his friend had become an OM? Can you imagine this level of vitriol amongst a group of men towards ‘OM’s in their midst?

nope.

Men don't even talk about this kind of thing. It's irrelevant to their friendships.

'girl code' is a load of crap

greyandcontent · 09/10/2022 11:55

whumpthereitis · 09/10/2022 11:17

Would depend on a number of factors tbh, that would have to be something I considered if the situations ever arose. That said, I can say that I wouldn’t drop my best friend, no. I may roll my eyes at her choices, but I wouldn’t drop her.

have got a friend the latter example applies to. I stayed out of it. I didn’t, and don’t, consider it to be my business.

Totally agree.

quitelikelyto · 09/10/2022 11:58

LemonDrop22 · 09/10/2022 10:30

Ow are any combination of low integrity, sociopathic, narcissistic, avaristic, delusional, selfish, vulnerable, naive, sly, low standarded, lack initiative in terms of developing their lives and creating opportunities to meet the (admittedly minority) single men, lack independence etc. Married other women are some combo of the above with added shitty traits.

None of those traits make for great friends so ....

I'd rather have a friend who was the OW than a friend who turned out to be a cunty, self righteous judgemental prick

TheHoover · 09/10/2022 11:58

I don’t see many people still referring to our current King as being a cheat, and many have turned a huge blind eye to the woman he cheated on’s subsequent philandering.

I am not sure anyone now thinks they were / are filthy, morally bankrupt human beings because we know there was so much more to this. However I do think people still see Camilla as the villain.

quitelikelyto · 09/10/2022 12:03

ViolinPin · 09/10/2022 03:46

And yes, people do talk of ow, they criticise and talk of their dalliances and speak of them behind their backs and laugh when they believe they are getting away with it, that no one notices, but they do.

I don't think ow and om are paranoid enough, many of them do a terrible job of covering it up, they are a constant source of amusement to some people who can't believe their niavity when it's usually blindingly obvious to others.

And those who are older even quantify the obsurdity and age range of the ow.

It goes like this...

You get the 20 year olds with wasters, usually with young kids that can't hack it and are unbelievably selfish, pumping iron, preening men who girls fawn over in the pubs and clubs, hoping the one night stand evolves into claiming the waste of space for their own.
Much of it is competitive, much of young single motherhood is made up of this sector.

Then the thirties girls, kids are a wee bit older, they begin to go out again after being tied to children, confident and re entering social life with other mothers who want payback on the shithead at home that left them to all the crap with the kids. They usually calm down and ease into middle age, ill health and job/money responsibilites.

Then the 40's, these women tend to be corkers, the best ones are the ones who have been supposedly neglected, when in fact they've had an affair upted sticks, divorce ensues, after which that relationships flounders. They may have their own home, advantaged parents with property forthcoming, still yummy mummies 😅The middle class mummies
These ones don't wan't a full time hubby, getting his hands on the cash, many of these advocate the FWB's but they do find it hard getting the replacement, all the decent men are taken and they are left with the circulating trash that is in the divorce pool.

Many of these are the 20's men twats who never really had family responsiblities.
So the net widens to married men.
So their only option is the affair, the work colleague, the tradesman who does a little job at a reduced price, the neighbour, the desperate.

Sometimes they do re-marry depending on social class, and financial desperateness, quite often the ugly friend who although beneath them will pop them up on that pedastal at least and look after them.
Married men who leave longish marrages and can't believe their luck they got with the 'looker bird who would have never had them when they were younger. Well needs must when you're hurtling into middle age, and fuck the wife and kids left behind she's cannon fodder, our 40's lady is getting desperate.

Standards are usually lowered and the age of the men creeps up, if they are really desperate we're talking 20 years plus older. I have seen many women like this who started out again on single life so independant and so full of hope have some real mental health issues as they steer into the menopause, the fifties and then sixties.

So from what I can see, affairs don't really help any woman be it you're the ow or the wife but then again I've also seen a hell of a lot of very miserable older men who have fucked their lives up for the fun of chasing skirt or thinking they were in luuve. Nobody wins, and as a hobby it's a pretty boring and destructive activity, you really are better with a good book and your integrity in tact because one day you will look back and see that none of it was real, it was just a marker in time.
If possible don't get involved with the destruction of family units, it's not a pleasant thing to do.
That is for all the male and female cheaters.

You seem quite troubled and over thinking the whole topic. I'd sit down with a therapist if I were you

MangoBiscuit · 09/10/2022 12:09

If someone actively chooses to be the OW, then we're probably not going to get on great. Someone who is prepared to risk hurting others that much, lying their way though it all, just to get their rocks off, is not someone I will share similar values with, and will probably not have mush respect for. I also don't welcome drama into my life, and affairs, and those who have, always bring drama.

I have quietly dropped male friends because they cheated too. OW or OM, or a cheating male or female partner, makes no difference to me.

quitelikelyto · 09/10/2022 12:11

@XenoBitch so your ex was also scum then? Or is that a charming label you only place on the OW?

J0y · 09/10/2022 12:26

@ViolinPin wow, you really pigeon-hole people.

hownice · 09/10/2022 12:40

I blame my own dad because he didn't think about us or my dm. But I also blame the ow because she knew my dad was married and had kids. I would say I blame my dad 70% and the ow 30%. The ow didn't owe us anything, my dad did. But not everyone has morals do they?

cawfeee · 09/10/2022 12:51

If it was a friend I would just feel pity that they had so little self respect to get involved with a married person, I can't say I would be disgusted by them, but this would be dependent upon their stance, if it was a 'fuck the wife I don't owe anyone anything' attitude, then I I would be distancing myself from that friend. If they had just fallen hook, line and sinker for a pack of lies then I would try and support where possible.
I think Hollywood likes to portray the other woman as a sexy, calculating predator, when the reality is it is often a naive, vulnerable woman that has been fed a lot of untruths by a married man and if she succeeds in getting him to leave his wife, then the prize is a deceitful middle aged man that will be having his kids every other weekend and lots of CMS payments.

malificent7 · 09/10/2022 13:00

It's not misogynistic at all. It's because we expect women to abide by an unwritten girl code...which of course, they often don't.

malificent7 · 09/10/2022 13:01

Also, i think i feel that if a woman hurts another woman she is capable of doing it to me...i therefore distance myself.

ArcticSkewer · 09/10/2022 13:02

malificent7 · 09/10/2022 13:00

It's not misogynistic at all. It's because we expect women to abide by an unwritten girl code...which of course, they often don't.

Girl code is, in itself, a misogynistic method of controlling women's behaviour - policed by other women.

J0y · 09/10/2022 13:02

So true @cawfee, I'd be really concerned for a friend who fell for any man's bullshit, whether he was a player trying to disguise that fact or a married man or as my friend nearly got caught up in, a ''polygamist''. I had to say to her ''was this what you dreamed of? is this what you've waited for?''. ''Are you settling?'' ''Do you want to be settling?'' We got there in the end and she ended it and he made her feel like she'd lost something really valuable. She had not. She lost a source of pain and no more, but but he had got in to her head and made her feel that she owed it to him to go along with his agenda.

Whether the man is married, avoidant or a polygamist, jayzuss, can hardly type it, the confidence trick is in the persuasion
Women know deep down that this isn't what they want but they're talked in to setting aside their own wants and needs and true desires and real goals and going along with what some dickhead with a smile and a patter wants.

I think you'd have to be ruthless to cut off a friend because they got caught up in somebody's bullshit. I'd want to validate their own sense of themself, be there for them, tell them what I like about them, why they're important to me, support them if they're lonely after ending it.

DUMPING a friend who got caught up with a married man only makes her more vulnerable. I'd predict. 9 times out of ten anyway.

People talk about values and morals like it's a uniform and if your friends don't match yours you can't have a friendship! I don't even know how my friends feel about some subjects (ie, abortion, social welfare payments).

I don't know if I could be friendly with somebody who is passionately pro-life but that is because of my own triggers, my own inability to deal with that. It's not ''morals''. I'm not going to kid myself that due to my morals I can't be friendly with people who cannot put themselves in to a more vulnerable woman's shoes. I know that it's extremely triggering for me.

ReneBumsWombats · 09/10/2022 13:26

malificent7 · 09/10/2022 13:00

It's not misogynistic at all. It's because we expect women to abide by an unwritten girl code...which of course, they often don't.

Girl code is misogynistic. It's a concept invented as a stick to beat women with. You should treat people properly whether they're male or female and you shouldn't invent higher standards for women.

ViolinPin · 09/10/2022 14:07

I think it's quite ironic how ow expect women to back them up for their unmoralistic behaviour, spouting mysogyny.
If you are so hard done by why not start up a Justice for ow campaign, create a slogan, a soundbite, march up to Westminster, handcuff yourself to a railing.

Be loud and proud of your achievements of behaving with as much care as the men you lie and decieve with.

But you won't, you want privacy and want to be nameless, unidentified and unknown, only on here on platforms such as this do you proclaim your innocence.
In RL you would not share this information for fear of being castigated by society. You take a wrongful act and hide behind an excuse of 'because I'm a woman, you're attacking me, I'm oppressed'

There is no actual accountability for what you as a person, a human being have done to harm another, your only defence is men don't seem to have the same repercusions, it's not fair.

And no I very much like women, so much so I would never start a relationship or allow myself to fall in love with someone in a relationship/marriage because I care about other women's state of health, even the one's I don't know.

okytdvhuoo · 09/10/2022 14:07

ArcticSkewer · 09/10/2022 11:53

Men don't even talk about this kind of thing. It's irrelevant to their friendships.

'girl code' is a load of crap

  1. Girl code is indeed a load of nonsense, and I only heard the term recently on some TV programme. Treat people well and with integrity, whatever their sex/gender. There’s absolutely no reason for this to apply more to women than anyone else.
  2. Guys aren’t one big homogenous glob of people – their friendships and values are as varied as women’s. Some do have opinions on this and would be uncomfortable, others would be unconcerned, others would have mixed feelings and judge on a case by case basis – much like females. Off the top of my head I can think of male friends in each of the above categories.
HRTQueen · 09/10/2022 14:41

I don’t think men get quite so righteous about affairs (well not in progressive countries)

many in MN would happily act as some sort of morality police (as seen on threads should I tell colleagues wife he is having an affair)

ReneBumsWombats · 09/10/2022 14:44

HRTQueen · 09/10/2022 14:41

I don’t think men get quite so righteous about affairs (well not in progressive countries)

many in MN would happily act as some sort of morality police (as seen on threads should I tell colleagues wife he is having an affair)

&I don’t think men get quite so righteous about affairs (well not in progressive countries)*

They get righteous enough about women's sexual activity when it suits them.

HRTQueen · 09/10/2022 14:50

when it personally impacts them and many certainly have the Madonna/Whore ideal of women

but actually getting involved in someone else’s marriage I don’t think many care that much but many women do see it as their business

I don’t think it’s anything to do with girl code nonsense

Liorae · 09/10/2022 14:50

It's quite easy to see Mumsneters being the taliban moral police given the chance.

ReneBumsWombats · 09/10/2022 15:01

HRTQueen · 09/10/2022 14:50

when it personally impacts them and many certainly have the Madonna/Whore ideal of women

but actually getting involved in someone else’s marriage I don’t think many care that much but many women do see it as their business

I don’t think it’s anything to do with girl code nonsense

Yes, this is an interesting point. I don't think many men would even consider getting involved in a stranger or near-stranger's marriage to tell them their spouse was cheating, if they had no connection or only a very tenuous one. But a lot of women would.

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