To think Kate/Catherine, Princess of Wales, is one of the luckiest and most admirable women alive?!

[KohinoorDiamond]

She’s a Princess and future Queen Consort. She’s the wife of a Prince and future King. Mother to Princes and a Princess. Mother to a future King and the British royal family’s future bloodline.

She’s very good looking, wealthy, has a good figure and wears lovely clothes. She has mastered the art of ‘do not complain, do not explain’. So, she comes across very well (such as how she handled this yesterday: Princess of Wales challenged during royal visit to Northern Ireland).

Unlike a diamond, I can’t find any flaws in Catherine, Princess of Wales; she comes across as too perfect to fault! She has it all and more.

There’s a lot to admire because she seems to be the luckiest woman alive. What does everyone else think?

I can understand a lot of the opinions on this thread but nobody
has mentioned how “lucky” Kate was to go through three pregnancies with severe HG for babies she had to have because of who she was married to and to have the whole world know about it!

I think she is extremely good at her job. Personally I could not do it. I’d be looking miserable, bored and making snidey comments within a month. They’d be loads of photos of me with eyes glazed over at various functions.

i would not like her life so don’t envy her.

@KohinoorDiamond

Wow so many toxic people on here, maybe look into humility. I am no royalist but I agree with the OP and I am proud of our Royal Family and being British.

@Catsstillrock ”what you have described is the patriarchal definition of what a good and successful woman is:
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derives her status and value from the men in her life
is a mother
looks good
People / men pleasing - never says / does anything out of line.
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in return, and as part of the pact, she gets wealth and admiration.
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Do you really not see the problems with this, for herself and the rest of us?”

I do. But I’m conflicted because I also see that we are living in a patriarchy whether we like it or not.

She’s also had an awful lot of work to her face this year (if not in previous years too). This is not admirable, either. It’s also part of patriarchal oppression. Ie Women are only as valuable as their youth/looks.

You get plenty of older men in the public eye, who don’t resort to Botox/fillers/etc. Eg I don’t see any evidence of say William having fillers, Botox (or indeed hair transplants).

I wish women (in the public eye) would stop this. It sets up false bars for us women as a whole, as though we must never naturally age, or sag, or wrinkle, or god forbid be jowly (as catherine was until recently), ie basically be our selves (like the bloody men!). But female public figures tend to be trapped into it, trying to recapture their younger selves. Mostly, it’s only those public figure women who are judged primarily on their brains that seem to avoid it.

If you’re proud of the royal family, you are something of a royalist.

You're totally missing the point. It's not about having a pop at the Royal Family or "being British". Very few people are criticising her in herself.

It's about female role models and what they say about us as a society.

Ffs

It’s not a few words. We had a royal visit and I could see from my desk where Princess ( Anne/ Margaret, can never remember which one is alive), was chatting to 4 assembled council office workers. She spent bloody ages speaking to each of them. She was having a proper, detailed conversation, not just asking a set question and listening, but a proper conversation. She managed to look genuinely interested too.

I actually did admire that. I could not do it. You have to be able to be quite a good conversationalist on any topic, whilst not having an opinion, and look interested.

I’d be rubbish at it!

Just because someone has a differing opinion to you doesn’t mean they’re ‘toxic’. But I suppose it’s an easy way to shut others down if they don’t adhere to your echo chamber.

No. I am a doctor. So, I’ve made practical use of the education I was fortunate to receive. I do a job that requires me to be at the top of my game every day because if I’m not, other people will suffer serious consequences. I did not have the luxury of retreating to opulent surroundings during covid, keeping my family and myself away from high risk situations while suffering no loss of income etc.

I don’t expect or want any special recognition for what I do, I’m well remunerated and it’s an extremely rewarding and fulfilling job in many ways, but it does make me laugh and raise an eyebrow when I read about how hard Kate works or how ‘someone had to do her job’.

She didn’t have to have No 3. An heir and a spare is all the position requires.

Well as far as female role models go, she is doing a good job.

You don’t have to be a radical feminist to do a good job for womens rights.

Times are changing albeit slower than anyone would hope for all sections of society.

We now have another female prime minister and a cabinet with the top roles without one white male.

But still a long way to go until full equality but that will always be hard as men can’t give birth yet 😂

And before I get flamed I mean if a women does choose to have children this DOES make life slightly harder than it would for a man.

Obviously slightly easier for HRH due to wealth and nanny’s etc but emotionally obviously it must be hard for anyone.

SORRY 💐

Breath taking nastiness.

@Andypandy799 We now have another female prime minister and a cabinet with the top roles without one white male.
There are several white male ministers. The Secretary of State for Defence is white and male as is the Secretary of State for Justice.

@Andypandy799

Well as far as female role models go, she is doing a good job.
You don’t have to be a radical feminist to do a good job for womens rights

How is she a good female role model? Genuinely.

She is doing a competent job at what she does, so all credit to her for that. But she is literally a living symbol of a patriarchal approach to women.

She is only afforded the life, wealth and privileges she has because she has married a man who will be king.

She does a good job with her charitable work AFAIK within limited parameters but she is forbidden to be financially self-sustaining.

Her raison d'etre as far as the Royal Family goes is to breed heirs.

She is muzzled and not permitted to have any public opinions.

I'm really sorry if this sounds harsh but I am not critical of her as an individual but I can't square what she does with being a female role model. It's not just about not being a "radical feminist", its not being a raging symbol of an outdated and patriarchal system. Which at the moment, through no fault of her own, she is.

@KirstenBlest i said the top roles as reported by the press after she won “First time no white man in any of four most senior posts”

Where do you learn this stuff? I'm genuinely interested.

@Thepeopleversuswork

I agree with your comments about the ”outdated and patriarchal system” of royal family’s but they have changed the rules on the future line of procession so if George has a daughter first it will no longer go to the male line.

Small changes albeit but the monarchs have a role and being private and not airing your dirty laundry in public is one of them.

Based on what you say I don’t suppose the queen was much of a role model for women either?

Anyway I look forward to more progress for womens rights as the father of a 15yo DD

All I want for her is to be a strong independent woman who answers to no one. B kind and caring and live your best life

Just stating the facts. I assume she wanted children.

That wasn't what you posted, @Andypandy799 . You said top ministers, and I would interpret that as including the two I mentioned.

@Andypandy799

Based on what you say I don’t suppose the queen was much of a role model for women either?

The Queen was the monarch and head of state. Kate/Catherine is Consort. It's not comparable.

The point about the Royals being muzzled is valid, to some extent they are all neutered. I respected the late Queen and thought she did a fantastic job but as a role model for women she's problematic.

But someone who is only in her position by virtue of who she's married and the children she has borne him can not be a feminist role model.

@derxa where do I learn what stuff?

@derxa where do I learn what stuff?
I'm really sorry if this sounds harsh but I am not critical of her as an individual but I can't square what she does with being a female role model. It's not just about not being a "radical feminist", its not being a raging symbol of an outdated and patriarchal system. Which at the moment, through no fault of her own, she is.
This stuff

I totally agree, I feel like she's Diana mark 2 - especially given the rumours about William and Rose Hanbury 😕

@KirstenBlest Thats correct hence why I clarified what I meant. Obviously still not perfect but better than before.

Slightly off topic but our local councillor who was a fantastic lady was forced out by the misogyny of one major party. Apparently women are still told to shut up and sit down, beggars belief 🤬