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Friend called me a Karen

175 replies

cestelee · 06/10/2022 17:07

I was in a coffee shop with my friend and ordered a hot chocolate and some lunch. When the hot chocolate came it was very bitter and had no sugar in it at all.

It took a while (10m) to get the attention of a waitress as they were busy and I very politely told them that I think the barista made a mistake when making it and could they please remake it to be sweet too.

The waitress was very polite, and I thanked them and apologized for the inconvenience. She took the hot chocolate away. Five minutes later she came back and asked me if it were ok to just put sugar in it or if I wanted it remaking.

I knew it would be colder now and the sugar wouldn't dissolve, which is a bit icky, so I thanked her and asked if she could remake it. Waitress was very polite and the new hot chocolate when it came was perfect.

Friend called me a Karen for first sending it back, which she said is rude, and second asking them to remake it instead of putting sugar in it. She never got nasty and said it in jest but was trying to make a point.

My mum is called Karen and I really don't like that phrase. She's invited me for coffee this weekend and I don't want to go now. WIBU?

OP posts:
neighboursmustliveon · 06/10/2022 22:18

My son keeps calling me a Karen recently when I'm just doing normal stuff. I'm really pleasant, I absolutely recognise that you get more being nice that nasty so am always nice, but if I'm not getting the right service then I am likely to say something.

Dirtylittleroses · 06/10/2022 22:23

neighboursmustliveon · 06/10/2022 22:18

My son keeps calling me a Karen recently when I'm just doing normal stuff. I'm really pleasant, I absolutely recognise that you get more being nice that nasty so am always nice, but if I'm not getting the right service then I am likely to say something.

How sad. Why are you unable to deal with that,?

ilovepixie · 06/10/2022 23:05

Ridley10 · 06/10/2022 17:16

I utterly hate the term Karen. It’s just another way to shut women up. Funny how there’s no male equivalent. I don’t see anything wrong with politely asking to have something re-made when it wasn’t right.

Apparently the male equivalent is Richard.

ReneBumsWombats · 06/10/2022 23:21

I think the fact that nobody can agree on what the male equivalent is proves that it doesn't exist.

luxxlisbon · 06/10/2022 23:26

I would also feel awkward being out with someone and then complaining that the cafe remake their hot chocolate because it wasn’t sweet enough! Why didn’t you just add sugar yourself in the first place?

People are getting so defensive on here. The term ‘Karen’ isn’t to get middle aged women to shut up, it is only aimed at people who complain over every little thing and make themselves out to be a right diva and difficult to deal with.
It’s funny all these people getting outraged at the term Karen don’t put the same rage against ‘gammon’!

luxxlisbon · 06/10/2022 23:28

Karen isn’t a gender it’s a state of mind.

ReneBumsWombats · 06/10/2022 23:28

The term ‘Karen’ isn’t to get middle aged women to shut up

Yes it is. Now go and learn some new words.

luxxlisbon · 06/10/2022 23:29

ReneBumsWombats · 06/10/2022 23:28

The term ‘Karen’ isn’t to get middle aged women to shut up

Yes it is. Now go and learn some new words.

Literally could not have taken one part of a sentence out of context more.

Why do I need to learn more words exactly? Relevance to my post?

ReneBumsWombats · 06/10/2022 23:30

luxxlisbon · 06/10/2022 23:28

Karen isn’t a gender it’s a state of mind.

It's a lazy misogynistic slur and the go-to equivalent of "your mum" for thick people in the 2020s.

luxxlisbon · 06/10/2022 23:31

ReneBumsWombats · 06/10/2022 23:30

It's a lazy misogynistic slur and the go-to equivalent of "your mum" for thick people in the 2020s.

Literally what are you talking about.
Not sure why you think I’m the OPs friend?

ReneBumsWombats · 06/10/2022 23:31

luxxlisbon · 06/10/2022 23:29

Literally could not have taken one part of a sentence out of context more.

Why do I need to learn more words exactly? Relevance to my post?

There was no context that changed the meaning. You're defending a misogynistic slur for thick people.

Rhaych2003 · 06/10/2022 23:32

Does your mate know falling you a “Karen” upset you? I think she just meant it in a joke way. But the fact you’re worried about being called a “Karen” by your friend kinda shows you are one. Why have you posted this on the internet instead of speaking to your friend and vocalising that it upset you? If you’d told her at the time it upset you, situation may have been resolved but you can’t even tell her you don’t want to go for coffee anymore haha.

Upset about the term “Karen” just because you’re mum is called Karen 😂😂😂First day on the internet? Seems so.

ReneBumsWombats · 06/10/2022 23:32

luxxlisbon · 06/10/2022 23:31

Literally what are you talking about.
Not sure why you think I’m the OPs friend?

Not sure why you think I called her your friend. I suppose when you defend misogynistic slurs, you don't need a reason for anything you say.

luxxlisbon · 06/10/2022 23:39

ReneBumsWombats · 06/10/2022 23:31

There was no context that changed the meaning. You're defending a misogynistic slur for thick people.

Complaining about a word being offensive while calling people thick.

Exactly.

Cameleongirl · 06/10/2022 23:39

I really don't like the term and would've told her straight away that I find it offensive. I think you can still tell her, tbh. It doesn't need to end your friendship, just be honest and tell her how you feel.

NippyWoowoo · 06/10/2022 23:42

Before Karen took hold, the retort to people of a similar cohort displaying that type of behaviour was 'ok, boomer!' But then everyone complained it was ageist. At least it was applied equally to both sexes 🤷🏽‍♀️

Cas112 · 06/10/2022 23:48

You literally could have added sugar...

Verytirednow · 06/10/2022 23:57

HNRTFT…I genuinely do not have friends that would ever use Karen as a derogatory term !! Cannot think what it actually means TBH …the Karen’s I know are just hardworking people in their 50s 🤷‍♀️

MistressIggi · 07/10/2022 00:13

ilovepixie · 06/10/2022 23:05

Apparently the male equivalent is Richard.

There is no male equivalent of Karen.

MistressIggi · 07/10/2022 00:15

I thought the male equivalent was gammon (I.e Piers Morgan types)
There is no male equivalent.

MistressIggi · 07/10/2022 00:16

ReneBumsWombats · 06/10/2022 19:57

Some people disagree and say it's Chad.

It clearly isn't established...

Not Kevin, not Chad.
There is no male equivalent of Karen.

Cayenneshiloh · 07/10/2022 02:43

The term might have not been well used but your friend meant that you behaved like a posh entitled woman.
You could have just walked to the counter and got a sachet of sugar. All of the rest was inappropriate and you wasted time for you and particularly for this waitress. There are unnecessary things to do in this world. Life is so short.

JaNaJanice · 07/10/2022 03:18

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Upallnightsally · 07/10/2022 03:55

Not unreasonable OP, you paid for something, it’s wasn’t up to standard, you asked for it to be replaced.

your friend was rude, does she know your mother’s name?

go for the coffee, if anything comes up about it tell her she was rude, and why you felt that, if she continues to do it then she’s not a friend.

UnderCoverFieldAgent · 07/10/2022 04:57

TwoWrightFeet · 06/10/2022 17:47

Mumsnet is the only place I hear the term ‘Karen’ these days. The rest of the world moved on from it mid 2020.

Seriously?? Have you ever been on TikTok?

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