To think that JK Rowling is a lioness of epic proportions?

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I don't think I'm being unreasonable. She's put everything out there to safeguard children in the face of vile misogyny and cowardice from many of her fellow writers.

She also always has beautiful hair.

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So... nobody reading this thread can explain how mtf transitioners are women?

Nobody can explain which rights trans people need that they don't already have?

Nobody can provide direct quotes from JKR to show how bigoted she is?

Nobody at all?

Yes, yes, yes!!

Apparently not. It's a shame no one can actually defend their views.

Any fringe movement or rights lobby which flags the word 'safeguarding' as a dog whistle is jumping up and down in plain sight showing the whole world exactly what they are, what they do, and what their goals and intentions are.

When someone shows who they are, believe them the first time. This is children's entire futures being sacrificed on the altar of ideology. And the back-tweets of many Mermaids supporters are mysteriously disappearing into the memory hole.

The feminists are the ones who told you so.

Look, if you'd just stop weaponising your middle aged ignorance and watched a YouTube video of Barry who's now Bonita explaining how wearing lipstick and dresses gives him special woman feelings you'd have your stupid answers.

Their opinions lack the basic point-evidence-explain needed to justify them.

Have you even read what she said about trans people?

Another thing I often wonder.

What proportion of those criticising Rowling's views have read the essay? I'm guessing this is under 10% and even that seems optimistic sometimes. Because none of them seem to have a frigging clue what's in it.

I really loathe the HP books (there, I said it) but I do appreciate they helped a lot of children to love reading.
I do think she’s awesome though, finally someone using their privileged position for good

Nobody can provide direct quotes from JKR to show how bigoted she is?

Nobody at all?

Ive seen this played out many times of Twitter. The barrel scraping is quite something to watch.

Look, if you'd just stop weaponising your middle aged ignorance and watched a YouTube video of Barry who's now Bonita explaining how wearing lipstick and dresses gives him special woman feelings you'd have your stupid answers.

😂😂😂

Very few do, it's obvious when they can't answer any questions about it. What happens is some big name reads it, declares it transphobic, makes up some shit about it and then says no one else should read it.

You no longer have to seek things out, someone has already done it and then made a youtube video about their opinion, so you watch that instead and now their opinion is yours without having ever set eyes on the original. It's pretty scary when people are being spoonfed lies about so many things and never think to question them.

Agreed - she's just so fucking fearless and outspoken (or at least, she gives the impression of being fearless - I don't know if she really is!).

I didn't love the HP books and couldn't get into the Cormoron Strike ones either, but god I love her as a woman!

Ican't find any direct quotes to show JKR is bigotted either because - spoiler alert - there are NONE

I love her

What happens is some big name reads it, declares it transphobic, makes up some shit about it and then says no one else should read it.

Interestingly, this is the approach the catholic clergy historically took to the bible. They controlled the narrative and limited the plebs ability to analyse for themselves. The religious parallels here just pile up and pile up.

"Look you old saggy TERF old granny women, get over your ignorance and watch a YouTube video of Alok saying "I believe in the radical notion that little girls are complicated people. There are no fairy tales and no princess here. Little girls are trans, queer, kinky, devious, kind, mean, beautiful, ugly, tremendous and peculiar.”
Then you would understand how PROGRESSIVE THE NEW RELIGION IS.

Back to JKR, I cannot imagine Pullman or Gaiman or King being as brave, but then they wouldn't get the rape threats would they.
Can't think why that is?

No, that can't be it, Beowulfa because clothing and make-up are to do with stereotypes and I have been told repeatedly that being trans is nothing to do with stereotypes.

Perhaps figtrees or another poster could recommend a particularly helpful video?

I've watched quite a few of Jammiedodger's videos over the years, but my questions are still very much unanswered.

Say you're in hospital. The person in the bed next you has all appearance of being male. Do you ask them if they are trans? Ask the staff? Should they have a special sign at the head of their bed to make sure everyone knows?
Or would you presume you're sharing a ward with a male and feel uncomfortable about that?

What's said negatively about trans individuals affects how trans children are perceived in society. Jk rowling has also spoken about how she believes most children experiencing gender dysphoria will "grow out of it" this compromises their ability to access particular medicines and medical treatments which is important when we have a lot of children where I live who are completely unable to access medication to pause puberty until they go through gender/identity counselling work. That means they are going through puberty and then having to transition which we know makes things much harder for them. Its also led to a huge increase in children accessing those medications online and taking them in unsafe and unregulated ways which is really dangerous. So yes that is harmful.

In terms of what's happening with Mermaids that's on them 100% they should be acting (as should any charity working with vulnerable people) under robust whistleblowing and safeguarding mechanisms. They sadly haven't lived up to that but unfortunately they are not the only children's charity to fall short in this way and they need to be held fully accountable as any other provider would be and lessons need to be learnt. Those are two separate issues however...

@Cw112 Jk rowling has also spoken about how she believes most children experiencing gender dysphoria will "grow out of it"

Evidence clearly shows when children are left to grow out of it, the vast overwhelming, overwhelming majority they identify as gay. It's not just what Rowling says, departmental statistics show this.

Are you really suggesting we sterilise children, pump them full of hormones, on the off chance that 2 percent will turn out to be trans?

Please think critically about what you are saying. No one has any business prescribing drugs, puberty blockers, hormones to pre-pubescent children. You cannot defend that. You cannot defend that position, reasonably, morally, ethically or humanely.

No one has any business prescribing drugs, puberty blockers, hormones to pre-pubescent children. You cannot defend that. You cannot defend that position, reasonably, morally, ethically or humanely.

This. There is absolutely no defence to that.

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Do you think that women have the right to feel uncomfortable sharing a ward with males?

If the person on the ward really were male, do you believe a woman in that situation has the right to ask to be moved to an all-female ward?

Or should women not have that right?

Do you honestly think that a child who is (by law) inccapable of consenting to sex, unable to purchase alcohol, unable to vote, unable to get a drivers licence, unable to purchase a blade (including a pair of scissors), unable to choose an alternative route to education, unable to serve on a Jury, unable to be tried as an adult in a serious crime.....

Is the appropriate age to be able to decide to take chemical supplements to delay or prevent puberty, purchase and wear straps across their developing breasts, and undergo any surgery to ammend their (perfectly perfect) body?

Seriously??

We should be giving children the space and confidence to wear what they like, challenge societal stereotypes and building their confidence to be able to say "this is me and I am happy with me". Not throwing them over to groups like Mermaids and effectively telling them they are wrong and need fixing.

What's said negatively about trans individuals affects how trans children are perceived in society.

What's said negatively about women affects how women (51% vs less than 2%) are perceived in society.

When you say women don't deserve human rights, you are saying women have no place in society. Already there are women at work saying they hold on to their urine until they get home, risking a Urinary Tract Infection. My father died in 2016 from Sepsis due to a UTI. I know how serious it is. There are also reports of where I live of Muslim women no longer going swimming because those areas cannot be guaranteed to be free of males. Some Muslim women and other women change their babies on the side of the road, in a gutter. Rather than go to a woman's space.

What you are doing, is advocating for the eradication of female participation in society. Try some critical thinking and truly, deeply have a long hard think about what you are advocating, to appease privileged males.

What's said negatively about trans individuals affects how trans children are perceived in society.

And what has she said about trans individuals?

Jk rowling has also spoken about how she believes most children experiencing gender dysphoria will "grow out of it"

Quote please? What did she say exactly?

And regardless, isn't that position well evidenced? That the process of going through puberty can alleviate GD feelings? Are you really suggesting that every child who expresses discomfort with their changing body needs medicalising?

when we have a lot of children where I live who are completely unable to access medication to pause puberty

Have you actually read the CASS report and the conclusions from Sweden and Finland about the huge concerns of the long term effects of puberty blockers? We can't just 'pause' puberty with no consequences. We aren't gods.

I am constantly gobsmacked at how little those who claim to speak for Trans children seem to care about the long term impact of these medical interventions on them?

Its also led to a huge increase in children accessing those medications online and taking them in unsafe and unregulated ways which is really dangerous. So yes that is harmful.

So crack down on that then, that's hardly JKR's fault. C'mon. Some common sense here.