Not to like the Globe Theatre calling me a bitch?

[EmpressaurusWitchDoesntBurn]

OK, not to my face. But following the non-binary Joan of Arc play they’ve shared a ‘terfs stop being transphobic challenge’ referring to anyone who doesn’t believe in gender identity as a bitch.

It’s a shame. I’ve been to some amazing plays at the Globe. But they’ve made their position on feminists pretty clear, so I won’t be going back.

twitter.com/The_Globe/status/1577694873204973569?t=4hr_PKJE3MY0_9-1x3oFvQ&s=19

Well, in my view ‘gender’ is all about misogynist stereotypes and a ‘woman’ is someone of the female sex. Regardless of personality.

As for the horrible term ‘cis’ or ‘cisgendered’ I’d take that to mean a woman who confirms to those stereotypes.

Mixed sex psychiatric wards are the products of insane logic (and I don't mean the patients!).

I find it difficult to compare a transwoman to a psychotic man on a ward among vulnerable women.

I also vehemently disagree with men staying overnight on post-natal wards, so my own views are somewhat contradictory too.

I genuinely see both sides of the arguments. I'm not Solomon so I'm afraid that I don't know what a fair and safe outcome might be for all parties involved. I tend to stay out of these arguments.

If the issue is the shared facilities, I would suggest that a transwoman (transsexual or transvestite) would be in extreme danger walking into a men's bathroom.

And I would suggest (as a legitimate user of the Gents' - and therefore someone with far more lived experience than you) that they really aren't at any risk.

Being goady and patronising isn't really helping your argument.

It's a valid question though, isn't it?

And BTW, the NHS are completely captured and will happily put any male that says they are trans into a female ward.

It's a fair question, although I agree the tone could use some work

I genuinely could not care two craps about who or what someone decides to call themselves. If someone genuinely feels that they're born the wrong sex, then who am I to dictate otherwise?

If someone has nefarious intent, the ladies toilets is unlikely to be a prime location to carry out such intent.

@Passmethewhat what makes you so sure?
metro.co.uk/2019/03/16/transgender-woman-18-sexually-assaulted-girl-10-morrisons-toilet-8914577/

Plenty more where this came from.

True. I was In a rush do forgot the sparkles, glitter and pink stars. My bad 😂😂😂

I'm getting heartily sick of institutions pushing ideology. It's incredibly off-putting, and I don't blame you, OP, for being cross.

It's really divisive. It just seems to me that these institutions are being goady and pushing a divisive agenda all the time. "If you don't actively support a certain point of view (our pov, which is the RIGHT one), you must be a bad person".

Not inclusive - really aggressive and nasty.

What happened to the old-fashioned view where people might have different, but well-considered views, which they largely kept to themselves and rubbed along with others happily? It's like living in Stalin's Soviet Union, or Nazi Germany - you aren't allowed to think differently about so many things which once used to be more personal and private.

it's like forcing people to wear badges and lanyards.

You see this kind of attempting to ridicule any argument is what is riling people. Mockery is not a nice thing to be on the receiving end of.

I'll leave you to your monologues.

What a fantastic way to lose lots of future custom, The Globe must have been making too much money.
I am only too happy to oblige and avoid them after this tweet. 😁

That is one crappo poem. I'm not surprised they took it down

That might be because the loss of women's spaces everywhere, including sport, prison cells, rape refuges, and any single solitary place where lesbians might meet other women, looked like it was being justified on the basis of them achieving inner peace.

if you truly meant that, then yes, it's utterly misogynistic. Or perhaps you were just mocking?

It's easily done.

@Passmethewhat Try ignoring the piss-taking. Those of us that have been learning about this stuff for years are tired. It's hard to not get angry when people come along and try to say nothing is going on and we're all bigots.

If you've really never done any research into this subject, I advise you to start. I get the feeling you think that everyone here is being hysterical but you would not believe what is going on behind closed doors.

The NHS will put any male into a female ward if they request it. I know of at least one woman that was raped on a ward by a TW and it was denied by the hospital as there were no men on the ward.
Male prisoners (including rapists and paedophiles) are being put into women's prisons, which sometimes include a mother and baby wing.
Male sportspeople are winning awards for women.
Women's refuges are being taken over by males and women are being told they cannot have a single-sex support group even though there is plenty of capacity for transwomen already. That's not even mentioning a Rape Crisis centre in Scotland being run by a transwoman who thinks women should just get over not wanting to be around men.
Children are being taught in schools that they might be the opposite sex if they don't feel like a boy/girl.

There's a lot more, I could go on all day about this. These are all documented things that have happened. It's not made up even though it all sounds preposterous.

But you haven’t produced any arguments? All you’ve done is tell us we need to compromise to achieve inner peace and women should sacrifice themselves for men. What exactly did you expect? Women to say “oh yeah, what a good idea”? 💖💖💖💖 I couldn’t find any sparkles so sparkly heart will have to do 😘

Friends, transwomen and nonbinary folk
Lend me your safe spaces
I come to bury women's safety and dignity, not to praise them/they
The evil that terfs do lives after they/them
The good is oft interred with their/them (still sexable) bones

Sorry Shakespeare

The NHS will put any male into a female ward if they request it. I know of at least one woman that was raped on a ward by a TW and it was denied by the hospital as there were no men on the ward.

Denied for over a year. Denied to the police. The victim thought she was going insane.

Until Baroness Winterbourne intervened, and then the NHS confessed that yes there had been a rape of a patient, but because the rapist didn't identify as a man, they didn't think it qualified.

This is my main issue, it's always women losing our turf. Never men. They lose nothing and just take and take and take.

But according to some posters on this very thread, that is what women should do. Give up our rights and feeling to validate men so we can achieve “inner peace”.

@Datun that is so horrific, what sort of dystopia are we living in?

Here's a link to an article about the rape by a TW that was denied by the hospital

www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/news/politics/hospital-says-patient-could-not-26506744

BTW, for anyone that sees nothing wrong with trans ideology. Canada is way further along in making sex obsolete in law and only legislating by gender.
Here is a teacher that is currently teaching in a school in Ontario. The school is defending the teacher. Be aware that we are heading in this direction in the UK.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11235121/Canadian-high-school-says-ILLEGAL-criticize-trans-teacher-huge-prosthetic-breasts.html

So, I’ve actually spent last hours reading this interesting case (thank you for posting) and the tribunal did agree that TERF is “an offensive term” though did not go so far as to label it a slur. She did win on two counts direct discrimination, the remaining three were dismissed as were all her claims of indirect discrimination. Where she won was hinged on the fact that despite other complaints being lodged with Garden Court Chambers, the complaint lodged against her was the only one investigated at all which was clearly discriminatory in and of itself regardless of the fact that 13 of 19 tweets the complaint was about were found by the tribunal to not be protected statements of belief. They also found evidence that the individuals who handled the complaint were discussing how Allison had violated some SM policy and formulating the response before they’d even received the complaint, and so it was blatantly obvious they were prejudiced against her and so her victimisation claim rightly succeeded. She got compensation for injury to feelings of £22k plus interest, but her claim she lost around £106k in income in 2019 was dismissed in its entirety.

Overall, think it’s a very fair and balanced judgement. Protected beliefs should be protected. I think a good bit was here:
”293. We concluded that all the claimant’s pleaded beliefs, not just the belief that woman is sex not gender, are protected.
294. It should be emphasised that this is not to say that the claimant is right. Transwomen can also need safe spaces, because they too can be subject to violence; there may too be an element of moral panic about transwomen who are not convicted sex offenders being placed in women’s prisons. Her beliefs on this are however, in our finding, protected.”

Ultimately males (whether men, non-binary or transwoman) don't belong in spaces where women and children are vulnerable and in a state of undress and/or at a disadvantage. That includes women's prisons, refuges, changing rooms, wards, loos and in sex divided sports competitions where male bodies are at an advantage.

Women need the protection of single sex spaces.

I am happy that separate measures are put in place to protect transwomen that are deemed unsafe in male environments. But women aren't support humans to have their dignity and protections removed in the favour of transwomens safety and validation.

3rd spaces are the compromise @Passmethewhat but the TRA reject these as they express that anything short of validating transwomen as being the same as women is not acceptable. They will only accept total submission.

You know that women are at risk in mixed sex environments. Just ask yourself how a transwomen differs from other males.

Noting that 95% of transwoman are still intact males.
The % of transwoman in prison for sexual offences against women is higher than the % across other males in prison. Indications therefore have transwomen may be more likely to be sex offenders than other males.