Not to like the Globe Theatre calling me a bitch?

[EmpressaurusWitchDoesntBurn]

OK, not to my face. But following the non-binary Joan of Arc play they’ve shared a ‘terfs stop being transphobic challenge’ referring to anyone who doesn’t believe in gender identity as a bitch.

It’s a shame. I’ve been to some amazing plays at the Globe. But they’ve made their position on feminists pretty clear, so I won’t be going back.

twitter.com/The_Globe/status/1577694873204973569?t=4hr_PKJE3MY0_9-1x3oFvQ&s=19

Those are very sensible thoughts. I agree completely. It makes perfect sense to me. Everyone gets a safe space and the privacy and dignity they need. A lot of men have said they’re uncomfortable with mixed sex spaces too so this benefits everyone.

In sports we could have a female category which any woman or transman or NB female can enter as long as the TM testosterone is within female limits, and a mixed category for men, TW male NB bad any women who want to enter it.

Except that the call people 'transphobic' who aren't. When they say 'transphobic' they mean anyone who does not agree with gender ideology. So they are calling probably the majority of women in the country bitches. So yeah, it is extremely offensive. But then I guess you know that and don't care about the misogyny.

It seems quite a lot of different labeled loos, I would be in favor of a lot more totally individual sealed loos, like disabled loos but open to all, it would make sense for them to have baby change.
Then male/female ones as a backup.

Totally agree with separate prison blocks.

Also third category for sports.

I've never been a founding member of anything 😂

Exactly. And I anticipate a criticism might call it “segregation” of a minority, but honestly we have disabled loos. Disablist hate crime is a thing. Disabled also a minority. But it’s well recognised disabled only loos are a benefit, an accommodation to recognised need, not exclusion by choice.

Thats also why I don’t think TW only loos would work (no offence but transgender are a bit sensitive to anything perceived as segregation or exclusion). Lots of TRAs say they don’t care if a TW is in the loo with them. So great let these perfectly ok with it women be sharing a loo with TW by having all women loos. What could be more inclusive than all? Whoever identifies as a woman can go right on in.

Meanwhile women not comfortable or restricted by protected belief or new thought here suffering from male violence PTSD! and cannot share a loo with TW have the accommodation of female only loos. These women are self segregating due to need based in belief or past trauma and not being exclusionary which indicates spurious choice.

You are now @fallinover and I got the name change in before @Discovereads could lol.

It is but only because we long ago added disabled and parent/child to men & womens. What’s two more categories?
Id love to have all private individual loos…that is the dream…but thinking of all our old public spaces think it might be too hard to accomplish. But if a good urban planner can design it, I’m with you on that.

Sports, yep own categories with hormone level requirements or subcategories to account for different amounts of transitioning.

I found a picture for you, you’re chasing a butterfly and might fall over….. Important to note these all come from a very fun & beautifully rendered video game my DC play called Unravel and Unravel 2.

I love it @Discovereads that’s another cool pic and I agree with you on the loos. Maybe we could convince the government to make it a requirement of all new buildings that they have either totally separate cubicles open to the public, or ones as @Discovereads described.

I have to confess….I don’t know how to name change….
Like your new name though knittingmonster.

It’s in settings lol. Thankyou. Did it in honour of our new movement 😀😀😀. I’m fully committed

Does anyone know any House of Lords? That’s how the upskirting bill got done and dusted so fast. We need a HoL patron. Then we can ghost write a Unity Bill for him/her to put to Commons to make into law.

We need to find a lord! It would work. We could bribe them with cake.

They do hurl the transphobic label when not warranted. But on the other hand GCs often call people who don’t agree with them misogynistic/misogynists and things they don’t agree with misogyny which is also not always warranted.

In regards to the poem, can’t agree it’s calling “majority of women in this country bitches” because the majority aren’t transphobic….not even the most foaming TRAs actually believe that, or even say it. To them, the majority public opinion is in their favour and GCs are a vocal minority.

Hmm maybe weekend project is to do a bit of cyber research on HoL and look at voting patterns. Maybe there’s a suitable Baroness or Countess who’d want to become a RUF patron. I’ve got Covid so not much else to do while sitting in bed all day sniffling.

Aw no! I hope you feel better soon!

I don't know if this has been posted yet, but apparently the Globe has apologised! For some reason I was able to read the article and the comments. I think the last sentence qualifies as tone deaf. Considering the subject matter of the play (a young girl used, abused then burned alive) and the 'art' the play inspired. If inspiring happy thoughts, love, togetherness, etc. was the aim, they missed.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/10/06/shakespeares-globe-rushes-delete-derogatory-poem-transphobic/

Thanks @IcakethereforeIam , the commentators aren't happy with the globe at all .

That’s great they apologised. It was a rage fuelled poem that belonged on Reddit with the rest of the mad cap poetry war pieces between venting GC and TRAs. No place for it from an arts institution as a message to the public.

Now, I have neither seen nor read I, Joan but it’s clear it’s a fictional piece only loosely based on the real Joan of Arc. And I totally 100% agree the real Joan had a tragic very short life of exploitation, abuse, and abandonment before being hideously murdered.

Other fictional works about Joan though have been rather successfully written with messages of female empowerment and inspiration to girls (so much so that many actually believe she was a military leader and early feminist).

So, the play itself could have those love, inclusion, joy messages. But, yes agree these messages are abundantly not clear in the articles and that poem being posted was the polar opposite of those messages.

@Discovereads I thought about your point before I posted and, believe it or not, I hate judging something I haven't seen....honest. My comment references Joan's actual story, so far as it is know. I can only judge the play on what it inspired which doesn't speak well for it.

'Double, double toil and trouble;
Fire burn and caldron bubble.
Fillet of a fenny snake,
In the caldron boil and bake;
Eye of newt and toe of frog,
Wool of bat and tongue of dog,
Adder's fork and blind-worm's sting,
Lizard's leg and howlet's wing,
For a charm of powerful trouble,
Like a hell-broth boil and bubble.
Double, double toil and trouble;
Fire burn and caldron bubble.
Cool it with a baboon's blood,
Then the charm is firm and good.'

Never, never ... would I call this, the above, drivel.

I'm not even commenting on the poem that spurred you to make the comparison. Rightfully?

I'm not even commenting on the origins of the OP. So chuck me off! I'm gone! Don't worry I'm going... but the passage you have just quoted, was not drivel.

Allow us make our 'spells'.

Man, Woman, A to Z - and everything in between.

I am a woman!

Poetry - All has its place.

I do read the heartfullness???, of the composer of the poem.... but 'I' am a woman!

But I, Am A WOMAN.

It didn't take long for the faux-naivety to be dispensed with.

For example, don’t see why there cannot be TW only secure blocks/wings within womens prison complexes.

@Discovereads third spaces aren't good enough, apparently. They're "othering" and not "validating" enough. No, apparently it's important for the transwomen to have the opportunity to mingle with the women.

Protective custody already exists within the male estate, for those deemed to be at risk of violence (ex-coppers, sex offenders etc.). Use that.

Sigh, yes I know been told that no self respecting TRA would ever accept a middle ground by many GCs and so GCs are perfectly justified in stubbornly not ever accepting a middle ground either and insist on countering extremism with extremism. This attitude is toxic & self defeating.

Protective custody is as far as I know technically solitary confinement. 23hrs/day in a cell alone with 1hr day for showering and exercise alone in a small cage. It’s not something that can be suggested for routine long term use with any seriousness if you value basic human rights and the psychological welfare of prisoners.

It is sadly, an extreme suggestion you know is completely unacceptable. Often o wonder if GCs and TRAs have any intention of settling their differences. It seems some enjoy the adrenalin rush of conflict.

Sorry, but I think we have a better chance at resolution if we consistently counter extremism with reason..in both directions. So, third spaces is what I personally will stick with, along with anyone else who is also a RUF. I know I can’t change the mind of extremists on either side, but perhaps enough people are sick of the division, the tiresome shouts of transphobic or misogynist and just want us to fix this already.

Yep, very true thought we had similar views on seeing/reading before judging.😉

I was thinking it likely that the rose tinted empowered female military leader and symbol of liberation portrayal of Joan of Arc inspired I, Joan.

Not the darker true gruesome history. But I could be wrong..and you right. It is an interesting possibility.

It's only offensive if you're the thing they're talking about. If you're truly not transphobic or trans-exclusionary then surely you wouldn't take offense...

I don't take offence because I couldn't give a shiny shit.