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AIBU to expect a reply even though he wants space? (A long one)

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FlannelopePitstop · 04/10/2022 20:49

I've been with my DP about a year and a half, we are in our early/mid thirties. For the most part we have had a loving, fun, close and happy relationship and he feels like my best friend. I've got to know his family and friends well and our lives have become well integrated with one another's.

In the last couple of months, one of the slow-burning issues we have had for a while has come to a head. This mainly centres around the usual textbook case of that I prefer to cope by connecting, and he copes by disconnecting. So when we have had a tiff, he disappears, I feel abandoned and when he returns I'm anxious and critical. He then runs away some more. Ironically we only ever have a tiff if I feel invalidated or unheard, or he feels criticised. I also feel I carry much more of the mental load when it comes to making plans, holidays etc, and sometimes in those moments if I'm e.g. struggling to make a decision, I've yearned to feel like I have an equal adult partner rather than feeling alone with all the responsibility.

We came back from a difficult holiday in Sept - it got so bad at one point we decided to part ways one night and do our own thing for a bit of space. The next morning I realised he had left me in the city we were in and was some distance away heading back to our airport city in our hire car. I felt so abandoned and excruciatingly upset. Things got more stressful once we got back because he received news a family member only had a short while left to live. We made the decision to put our issues on the back burner for a bit to deal with that and I've tried to be a supportive presence to him and his family during a difficult time. Relative has since died and funeral is next week, which I know has upset him more than he is letting on.

Last week we had another big argument. I reached a breaking point because I wasn't feeling heard and he was getting defensive when I was trying to express that (although tbf I was shouting at this point) so I yelled at him to get the fuck out my house, leave his keys and to not come back. To be honest, I really just wanted him to acknowledge just how upset I was and what I desperately wanted was a hug and some reassurance and kindness but I wasn't getting that so I needed him out my space. It was the meanest thing I've ever said to him, I feel dreadful about it and I want to apologise for it. Unfortunately he took that to mean I was breaking up with him, so he packed his stuff out my house and left, even though before he left I said I hadn't meant that, I was just angry and upset. He went on radio silence following that, for 4 days, despite me contacting him later that night to say I would like for us to have a civil conversation, de-ecalate and find a way to reconnect.

Those 4 days were absolute hell, pure emotional torment. I called him on day 5 like wtf, we need to talk. So he came round that night, and had brought with him a bag of all my stuff, and when I say all, he had gutted his house out of every tiny thing of mine. I mean like random hair bobbles. I was totally blindsided but he was resolute we were breaking up and it was what he wanted. We then talked for a couple of hours about what had happened in our relationship, we apologised to each other for things and when I pointed out that it was ironic we were finally able to have a calm, considered, loving and attentive conversation, it was about breaking up, he acknowledged that but insisted we needed the time apart at least for a month to reassess how we feel. Which was different to what he originally said when he came in. But I was desperate for him not to walk away altogether so I agreed. We still have keys to each other's houses, and we left things with a cuddle and a kiss.

Today has been exactly one week since that night and we have had no contact. It has been an excruciatingly painful week. I feel lost, hurt, anxious, confused, upset, abandoned, angry and like the whole thing is just senseless. I don't think our issues were irreconcilable, and I think turning up with a bag of my stuff is brutal. I would love nothing more in the world than to hear from him and find a way to reconnect. Earlier today I did a brave thing and messaged him about something we had agreed we would do together and time is running out to arrange it. I said I'm going to make arrangements to do it as I'd like to, and it would be lovely if he joined but I understand if not, and just to let me know. I haven't had a reply.

I'm in tormented agony right now. I'm trying to keep on top of all the basics of self-care but I'm in hell. Each day that goes by, I don't know if I'm moving closer towards reconciliation or getting past a break up. The uncertainty and lack of clarity is breaking me. I know he will be anxious and fretful right now about how to reply so will be burying his head in the sand. I might have accidentally pushed him further away with that message, I don't know.

AIBU to expect one tiny shred of decency and care from a human being who I've shared my life with for the last year and a half and to get a reply?
Moreover, AIBU to say you don't need a month of silence to figure out if you want to attempt to reconcile with someone? I feel really desperate and don't know what the hell else to do here. I've had mixed advice from family and friends about waiting out the month, not waiting, waiting a bit, going round to his house, cutting him out altogether and every other option in between.

Thanks for reading, I appreciate that was long.

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BrighterDaysAreComing · 04/10/2022 23:00

Hi OP. I’m so sorry that you’re feeling so upset - sending hugs your way.

It’s very easy to say this as an outsider but I agree with the others that this does not sound like a relationship that is making you (or him) happy. I think that it will be in your best interest to end it for good.

Pour love & energy into yourself for a while. Lean on friends & family for support and remember that you can only live your life for yourself - and only you can be responsible for your own happiness.

I am also a very relational person but it is healthy to remind oneself that there is a lot more to life than romantic relationships - in fact there is a whole beautiful world out there waiting to be discovered. Once you have taken some time to grieve the loss of your relationship and process what has happened, make it your task to fall back in love with your life - and all that the world has to offer - again.

Also - you must try and forgive yourself for your mistakes. People have been quite blunt on here and perhaps you needed to hear that, but I would encourage you to try and turn this experience into a positive and learn valuable lessons which you can carry forward into the rest of what can be a very happy & fulfilled life - and hopefully one that can be shared with somebody who really is right for you.

I really hope you are able to find the strength to do this - it’s much easier said than done (I absolutely know this!), but you owe it to yourself.

Sending love. Be kind to yourself; it will get easier x

Crosswithlifeatm · 04/10/2022 23:02

I may be wrong but it seems ,especially with the holiday and that he already(without children) let you take the mental load,that he was already manovering you to do the breaking up.
When you did he went quickly making it your 'fault'.

Sunnytwobridges · 04/10/2022 23:04

My ex was very similar. He would "withdraw" or ghost me whenever he had an issue with something, even if it had nothing to do with me. This happened at least every few months for over 10 years. Sometimes he wouldn't contact me for weeks and weeks on end. At first it was very hurtful, but over time my feelings for him changed to the point that I just didn't like him and I just didn't care anymore. It destroyed something inside of me. I stayed too long and I should've gotten out after the first couple of times he did that to me.

Trust me he will never change. He will ALWAYS deal with conflict the same way. Find someone who doesn't run like a little kid away from problems. I definitely wish I'd left my ex sooner, I wasted so much time with him and I regret it every day.

WorrieaboutFIL · 04/10/2022 23:13

This was me until I read 'Attached'. It sounds like you have different attachment needs you anxious/ him avoidant. It'll always be an uphill struggle in these types of pairings. It's a really good book if you've not read it, I do recommend.

EarringsandLipstick · 04/10/2022 23:19

FlannelopePitstop · 04/10/2022 22:46

Some harsh truths here and I've had my arse handed to me on a plate, but I weirdly appreciate it. I have clearly been too intense and demanding, especially during what was already a difficult time. The thing that's helpful here is the concensus that I need to back off and leave him be.

I feel less anxious now but a whole heap more regret, which is tough in a different way. He was a good guy and I was so busy making demands I'm not sure I paused enough to really appreciate him. I'm just really sad about the whole thing.

How was this what you took from the majority of replies?!

He was far from a 'good guy'. You were both incompatible; however, he has treated you badly (eg leaving you to go to the airport) & has utterly ignored your emotional needs.

Your feelings are valid; you just need to heal from this & next time aim for someone who can respond to you emotionally 💐

Shittytittybangbang · 04/10/2022 23:20

I am sorry but it is over. All the bringing of the stuff, talking and apologising was the end for him. That’s the way some men are. Regardless of how long the relationship, once it is over, He’s not coming back. I am sorry

Frazzledmummy123 · 04/10/2022 23:29

He was a good guy and I was so busy making demands I'm not sure I paused enough to really appreciate him.

Don't blame yourself, it takes 2 to tango and be doesn't sound an angel either.

Leaving you to go to the airport wasn't very nice and merited you ending it with him in itself, and the continual ghosting wasn't healthy either. I couldn't tolerate that any time he wasn't happy. Sounds like he enjoyed the power he had over you, waiting for him to text knowing you would be in emotional turmoil waiting. Not healthy at all.

I think it very much sounds like this month to think things over was him breaking it off with you, and if it was, then he didn't even come out and say it. Regardless of what happens now, I would be concentrating on working through the split and moving on with your life which won't be easy, but definitely better in the long run than being in this clearly toxic relationship.

whynotwhatknot · 04/10/2022 23:31

he was out of order to leave you stranded but if youve forgiven that fine but dont say youre brave to hassle him when he said he wanted a month break

NalaNana · 04/10/2022 23:37

Aw OP it's heartbreaking to love someone but not be able to make things work and be happy.

Unfortunately it just doesn't sound like you are compatible for each other! You are incapable of meeting each other's needs and clearly have very different styles around conflict (you having an anxious attachment style, and him having an avoidant attachment style).

I hope that you are able to let this go and get on with meeting the person you are supposed to be with. I often thank god that myself and my partner didn't settle for relationships that weren't great! One day you'll look back on this and be so grateful that it ended.

ThereIbledit · 04/10/2022 23:39

Good guys don't leave their girlfriends stranded in a foreign country.

He said let's give it a month because he was running out of options for getting you to accept that it's over. It's over, he just needed a way to be able to physically leave the conversation as you weren't accepting what he was telling you.

You're better off without him, and I'd recommend you get some therapy to work your stuff out before you get into another relationship xxx

DoingJustFine · 04/10/2022 23:48

The brave thing would have been to have given him space, not chased him with a message about arranging a date.

Leave him alone. Read The Rules books. They were written for people like me and you.

JestersTear · 04/10/2022 23:49

I think, rather than waiting for him to contact you in a month and wanting to talk things out/reconcile or whatever (which I don't believe he will, but I do believe you're expecting him to) instead you should make your own choice and acknowledge that this relationship is over, it's your choice, and move on with your life.
In three weeks (or whatever it is) in the unlikely event that he does get in touch, you will be in a much more emotionally settled and independent place to make an informed decision. If he doesn't, then you're already loving your new, single and independent life without him.

FlannelopePitstop · 05/10/2022 00:01

It's really hard to accept it is over. I'm flip flopping between it's over and it can't be. This bit is going to take some time I think. I feel so drained.

For those that have said about therapy, I've been seeing a therapist for about 2 years. It's just going really slowly, and I'm not sure I'm getting what I need but it's hard to tell because he says "well of course you're going to feel I'm not meeting your needs because you don't expect anyone will ever be able to meet your needs" and I don't quite know what to do with that so I've kept going with it for now.

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Poppyseed14 · 05/10/2022 00:03

Sisisimone · 04/10/2022 21:05

I wouldn't have spoken to him again after he'd left me on holiday and gone back to the airport. He sounds an asshole and I imagine once you have time to get over the break up you'll realise you're well rid.

Same!

NoSquirrels · 05/10/2022 00:10

Whether it’s you that’s the over intense needy one or him that’s the uncommitted abandoning arsehole is somewhat irrelevant - you are extremely bad for each other and this relationship should end.

I’m really sorry, I’m sure it hurts like hell. But don’t get back with this bloke, for your own sake and his.

Chilesstanton · 05/10/2022 00:11

Kindly, this is not your person.

Mamai90 · 05/10/2022 00:33

I really feel for you OP but I honestly think this relationship is over. It sounds toxic and you are totally kidding yourself if you think otherwise. I agree with a pp that he wants to end it but couldn't tell you so used the month thing so he didn't have to handle it there and then. I think this was really cruel of him to leave you in limbo.

Start the healing process now. This relationship is over and when you look back one day you'll be grateful it ended. Sending you love.

EmeraldShamrock1 · 05/10/2022 00:38

I think it is over and he doesn't know how to tell you.

The relationship has turned toxic there is no repairing it once it becomes argumentative and dramatic.

expat101 · 05/10/2022 00:59

I'm not going to vote, but this isn't a relationship for either of you. And yes separating hurts like hell...

Smallonesaremorejuicy · 05/10/2022 01:07

He is just not that into you . Let him be .

JestersTear · 05/10/2022 01:08

Mamai90
I think this was really cruel of him to leave you in limbo.

This!

FlannelopePitstop · 05/10/2022 01:09

Thank you for your kind words. I'm reading each reply that is saying it's over and trying hard to absorb it but there's still that tiny bit of me that's resisting and refusing to believe and accept that. I'm so upset right now. I just can't get my head around how different this feels to a month ago. I don't understand how it goes from one day being in each other's lives to one day just gone. I'm thinking of him and he still feels like my partner, we share things and we work through things and we see each other most days and we talk about our days and we plan what we are doing at the weekend. Where the hell has he gone and how did that happen so fast. His profile pic is still a picture of both of us, his shoes are still in my living room, his keys are still in the key bowl, his jacket is still hung up on the back of my door, his bike is still in my shed.
If I could turn back time I would do so many things differently. God this is awful. I've had breakups before, usually been pretty civilised although hard, but not this hard. This is a whole other level of crap.

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Blackmetalmama · 05/10/2022 01:14

The brave thing? No. You broke your arrangement and tried to force contact after one week while he's preparing for the funeral of his relative. Leave him alone.

ganvough · 05/10/2022 01:24

Ah OP I've been here before. The relationships with all the promise except, you constantly argue. And you know what, it doesn't matter how much you love each other, not being able to manage conflict well is an absolute deal breaker. You both have very different styles of dealing with problems and in your 30s it's hard to change.

I do think he needs time and space to grieve and also consider whether he can continue with this. So don't message him again and accept it's over (to save yourself getting hopes up then shattered). Play back all the arguments and remember how tired, abandoned and frustrated you've felt at times. Really want to live like that for 60-70 years?

I don't want you think that you're the only one who messed up and needs to change. His stonewalling and abandoning you isn't healthy either. I think you both bring out the worst in each other. You need someone who is very laid back and can handle your emotions without running away. Maybe the most important trait for you in a partner. You'll then relax and actually find you're not as emotional or intense when surrounded by calming soothing energy.

I know you miss him. If you do both consider getting back you BOTH need to compromise. He gets space to ponder issues but then comes back and has the open frank convo you want. I don't really think he's emotionally capable of giving you what you want though....And you're better off finding a man who doesn't trigger this anxiety and anger in you.

FlannelopePitstop · 05/10/2022 01:48

ganvough · 05/10/2022 01:24

Ah OP I've been here before. The relationships with all the promise except, you constantly argue. And you know what, it doesn't matter how much you love each other, not being able to manage conflict well is an absolute deal breaker. You both have very different styles of dealing with problems and in your 30s it's hard to change.

I do think he needs time and space to grieve and also consider whether he can continue with this. So don't message him again and accept it's over (to save yourself getting hopes up then shattered). Play back all the arguments and remember how tired, abandoned and frustrated you've felt at times. Really want to live like that for 60-70 years?

I don't want you think that you're the only one who messed up and needs to change. His stonewalling and abandoning you isn't healthy either. I think you both bring out the worst in each other. You need someone who is very laid back and can handle your emotions without running away. Maybe the most important trait for you in a partner. You'll then relax and actually find you're not as emotional or intense when surrounded by calming soothing energy.

I know you miss him. If you do both consider getting back you BOTH need to compromise. He gets space to ponder issues but then comes back and has the open frank convo you want. I don't really think he's emotionally capable of giving you what you want though....And you're better off finding a man who doesn't trigger this anxiety and anger in you.

This is reassuring and I agree. I'm not usually emotionally intense or super needy. Believe it or not, I'm normally a pretty chilled out person, I have an independent life, a good career, I've got close and stable friendships and family I feel relaxed with and those don't feel like hard work. So it is very unusual for me to have screamed and shouted, to have felt that abandoned or frustrated. I don't think I have ever in my life shouted at someone like that before. I have a pretty high tolerance threshold for when things are getting tricky, but I really was at a limit in those moments. I've often suggested that we take more time and space in general, I've needed that to do my own hobbies, exercise, see friends etc and it's been good but probably not had enough of it. I don't have an issue with having space and time apart, it just triggers the shit out of me when it's this silent, stonewall-y, uncertain and anxiety-provoking kind of space.

I also agree that if we ever were to consider getting back together we would need to compromise and do a fair bit of work. I'm just not sure that's likely to happen and I really don't want to get my hopes up only to feel disappointed. I just don't feel quite ready to start checking out of this relationship either.

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