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To wonder when the UK government plan to revisit the dangerous dogs act?

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EbbyEbs · 04/10/2022 17:56

Woman killed by American Bulldogs.

This is just another victim to add to the list of dog fatalities in recent years - yet another American Bulldog.

Britain must have one of the most pathetic dog regulations in the world - only 3 breeds in the list and two of those breeds most people have never heard of.

When will the government do something?? How many more people need to die?

And it’s not just about banning breeds - they need to tighten up the laws in owning dogs in the first place.

Many states in America have tight regulations around many breeds common in the UK including Shar Pei, Rhodesian Ridgebacks, Dobermann and even German shepherds.

AIBU to think Britain needs to wake up to the dangers of irresponsible dog ownership?

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Signeduptosimplyreplytothis · 04/10/2022 17:59

Yanbu but I want them to start adding neurotic small breeds like Chihuahua's to the list too not just focus on the big breeds

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Wnikat · 04/10/2022 18:00

YANBU. 9 people killed so far this year by dogs. Absolute disgrace. The government should bring back dog licensing. And I say that as a dog owner.

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Tootels · 04/10/2022 18:00

I can't believe that guy had 5 of them!!

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EbbyEbs · 04/10/2022 18:02

Signeduptosimplyreplytothis · 04/10/2022 17:59

Yanbu but I want them to start adding neurotic small breeds like Chihuahua's to the list too not just focus on the big breeds

I don’t like little dogs but a chihuahua is unlikely to kill someone. Even a gang of chihuahuas will at best, leave a few nasty scars. Unless they go for a baby of course.

What I would like to see is laws enforcing dog training requirements on ALL dogs with those more capable of causing serious damage to be required to have advanced training. Anything bigger than a spaniel.

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DogsDryWineAndCheese · 04/10/2022 18:02

I think the ‘dangerous dogs’ of the moment are largely based on that is popular with unsuitable dog owners at that time. Over the 70/80/90s Rottweilers, Rhodesian Ridgeback, German Shepherd and Dobermans all had their time. 00s we’re Staffies and now it seems largely the Bully type breeds.
I know dogs of each breed above who have suitable owners and they’re all fantastic dogs.
So even though I do agree that something needs to be done, I’m sure how the trend in dogs can be factored in? Do we have more of a dog owner problem?
That said, as much as I know more snappy Jack Russells than any other dog, I’d much rather my chances against one than a Bully, for example.

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NCHammer2022 · 04/10/2022 18:02

Signeduptosimplyreplytothis · 04/10/2022 17:59

Yanbu but I want them to start adding neurotic small breeds like Chihuahua's to the list too not just focus on the big breeds

When chihuahuas start killing and maiming people I’ll agree with that.

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StoneofDestiny · 04/10/2022 18:07

They need to review dog ownership and regulations altogether. There must be stronger regulations about dogs being on leads, stronger fines and enforcement for dog owners allowing dogs to soil public places. We need greater enforcement about dogs left to bark for hours in homes and gardens. There needs to be compulsory licensing of dogs and the money collected used to employ dog wardens.

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EbbyEbs · 04/10/2022 18:08

DogsDryWineAndCheese · 04/10/2022 18:02

I think the ‘dangerous dogs’ of the moment are largely based on that is popular with unsuitable dog owners at that time. Over the 70/80/90s Rottweilers, Rhodesian Ridgeback, German Shepherd and Dobermans all had their time. 00s we’re Staffies and now it seems largely the Bully type breeds.
I know dogs of each breed above who have suitable owners and they’re all fantastic dogs.
So even though I do agree that something needs to be done, I’m sure how the trend in dogs can be factored in? Do we have more of a dog owner problem?
That said, as much as I know more snappy Jack Russells than any other dog, I’d much rather my chances against one than a Bully, for example.

I totally agree that certain breeds attract certain owners who don’t necessarily have the best intentions. I have a Dobermann myself and the training has been intense. She could easily have been used as a weapon without it. As you said, the “weapon of choice” now is the bully breed and these dogs are more than capable of killing - as we’ve seen over and over again. They MUST do something!!

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megletthesecond · 04/10/2022 18:10

JR'S and chihuahuas aren't going to rip anyones arm off, let alone kill them.

Yanbu. There are too many big / sturdy dogs kept by poor owners in unsuitable homes.

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ThrowingSomeCrumbs · 04/10/2022 18:11

Having watched a family members small dog be ripped apart by two American bull dogs, I agree 100% that the whole act needs tightening down. The police weren't interested at all because no human was physically injured.

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Whammyyammy · 04/10/2022 18:13

The rules on control need tightening, during the summer in a pub garden a family wete sat at a table with a butch looking staff dog off the lead, going up to people. All OK until another family came in with a small dog on the lead. No surprise but the staffy made straight for it, lots of screaming and shouting could be heard.
Family with off lead dog told to leave. All could of been avoided if they actually controlled their dog 🤷‍♂️

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ReeseWitherfork · 04/10/2022 18:16

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fatal_dog_attacks_in_the_United_Kingdom

These stats are pretty clear in the breeds causing the fatalities.

American Bully and American Bulldogs are clearly different breeds. Off to do some googling…

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Whammyyammy · 04/10/2022 18:16

NCHammer2022 · 04/10/2022 18:02

When chihuahuas start killing and maiming people I’ll agree with that.

Agreed, small dogs aren't going to cause injury, but small dogs like to run up to big dogs yapping and snapping... that usually upsets big dogs, big dog then bites small dog, small dog owners then complain....

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Florenz · 04/10/2022 18:17

It shouldn't be a matter of banning dogs, all dogs should be banned unless specifically approved, dog license should be required and you should have to pass a test to get one. And an additional test to own more than one dog. Every dog should be registered to an owner and any injuries or killings committed by the dog should be treated as if they were committed by the owner.

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ChelseaRobertsofMalibu · 04/10/2022 18:17

Staffies need to be added. I'm sick to death of seeing families with small kids and their 'trophy hard dog' who they'll claim is "soft as shit" but is still a Staffy and therefore contains the DNA of any other Staffy. This is what people don't realise, it's not just about how they're raised! Yes that plays a part but DNA & instinct is what kills

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Whammyyammy · 04/10/2022 18:19

ReeseWitherfork · 04/10/2022 18:16

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fatal_dog_attacks_in_the_United_Kingdom

These stats are pretty clear in the breeds causing the fatalities.

American Bully and American Bulldogs are clearly different breeds. Off to do some googling…

Obvious staffy, bully and rottweiler recorded attacks in that report, quite shocked to see the number of jack russells listed.

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hamdden12 · 04/10/2022 18:19

@ChelseaRobertsofMalibu how are Staffies more dangerous? The kennel club says there's no scientific evidence of this.

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Thisismynamenow · 04/10/2022 18:20

As someone whose had stitches from a Jack Russell but owned well behaved staffies all my life, I think the dangerous dog list should be abolished.

Instead people should be vetted prior to having a dog and pay for the privilege - that would stop animal abuse and alot of the killings due to neglectful ownership.

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Thisismynamenow · 04/10/2022 18:22

Whammyyammy · 04/10/2022 18:19

Obvious staffy, bully and rottweiler recorded attacks in that report, quite shocked to see the number of jack russells listed.

It's because historically JRT were bred to be vicious and have a very unstable temperament.

Most jack Russell's I've seen don't really show signs of stress, just attack. Where as most bigger dogs have signs to show their losing their temper.

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Thisismynamenow · 04/10/2022 18:25

ChelseaRobertsofMalibu · 04/10/2022 18:17

Staffies need to be added. I'm sick to death of seeing families with small kids and their 'trophy hard dog' who they'll claim is "soft as shit" but is still a Staffy and therefore contains the DNA of any other Staffy. This is what people don't realise, it's not just about how they're raised! Yes that plays a part but DNA & instinct is what kills

If that's the case any terrier needs to be on the list. As they're all originally bred to kill for their master. They're all originally working dogs to take down other animals.

Just that staffies have bigger teeth. If a JRT or a YT gets your neck, they could still rip your throat out.

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ChilliBandit · 04/10/2022 18:26

I don’t think we should necessarily ban certain breeds but we should have dog licensing with tougher restrictions on certain breeds. We are thinking about getting a dog and I wouldn’t mind having to get a licence first.

I have only ever been bitten by a “harmless” Jack Russell who was “just playing”. It was not playing.

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Idratherbepaddleboarding · 04/10/2022 18:33

It’s always an American Bulldog. Fucking horrible things!

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EbbyEbs · 04/10/2022 18:34

ChilliBandit · 04/10/2022 18:26

I don’t think we should necessarily ban certain breeds but we should have dog licensing with tougher restrictions on certain breeds. We are thinking about getting a dog and I wouldn’t mind having to get a licence first.

I have only ever been bitten by a “harmless” Jack Russell who was “just playing”. It was not playing.

At one time I would have agreed with you but now I think no, ban American bulldogs and XL bullies. Why would a person want one of these dogs anyway? What redeeming qualities do they have? They’re not all that intelligent and they have no specific skills - what’s the point of them?

You could understand why someone might want a German shepherd for example - highly intelligent, trainable, specific skills ….

But an American bulldog? A thick as pig shit powerhouse? Why?

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tillytoodles1 · 04/10/2022 18:35

My neighbour has a Patterdale Terrier, hes an absolutely gorgeous boy, very friendly and affectionate, but he can't be off lead in a public place because of his aggression towards other dogs, and he's killed a couple of cats who came into his garden.
It's part of his nature and people don't seem to get that no matter how nice the dog is, they're still likely to attack sometimes .

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ChilliBandit · 04/10/2022 18:37

EbbyEbs · 04/10/2022 18:34

At one time I would have agreed with you but now I think no, ban American bulldogs and XL bullies. Why would a person want one of these dogs anyway? What redeeming qualities do they have? They’re not all that intelligent and they have no specific skills - what’s the point of them?

You could understand why someone might want a German shepherd for example - highly intelligent, trainable, specific skills ….

But an American bulldog? A thick as pig shit powerhouse? Why?

I’m going to guess the same reason most people who don’t have working dogs pick their dogs. I don’t like American Bulldogs but I would also say your undesirable qualities apply to French Bulldogs, Pugs, KS spaniels, chihuahuas. A lot of people love those breeds, I don’t.

Personal preference.

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