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To wonder when the UK government plan to revisit the dangerous dogs act?

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EbbyEbs · 04/10/2022 17:56

Woman killed by American Bulldogs.

This is just another victim to add to the list of dog fatalities in recent years - yet another American Bulldog.

Britain must have one of the most pathetic dog regulations in the world - only 3 breeds in the list and two of those breeds most people have never heard of.

When will the government do something?? How many more people need to die?

And it’s not just about banning breeds - they need to tighten up the laws in owning dogs in the first place.

Many states in America have tight regulations around many breeds common in the UK including Shar Pei, Rhodesian Ridgebacks, Dobermann and even German shepherds.

AIBU to think Britain needs to wake up to the dangers of irresponsible dog ownership?

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kingsleysbootlicker · 04/10/2022 19:45

romdowa · 04/10/2022 19:11

The UK needs a law similar to Ireland. There are 15 restricted breeds , you can own them but they must be muzzled and on a lead in public and only walked by someone over 18.

Great in theory but pointless unless fully policed, and they're not which is the problem. The breeds will still be walked unmuzzled and by minors if there's little risk of consequences

As someone said, NI still has dog licencing but it's completely useless. Just a way for the councils to make money really

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Nidan2Sandan · 04/10/2022 19:46

It should be regulated that dogs are insured and given a vet check up yearly. Bit like insurance and servicing for cars.

It should also be a requirement to have a licence to own dog breeds over a certain weight, and the fee for that licence should be hefty, at least £150‐£200. More for breeds known to be the most dangerous like bullys for example.

It should also be outright illegal to have a dog outside, and not on a lead except for in specified dog parks.

I also think dogs need to be named on home insurance.

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Sarahconnor1 · 04/10/2022 19:48

The profiting from the sale of animals needs to be made illegal. That way you shut down both the puppy farming industry and the back yard breeders overnight.

There is an XL bully breeder advertising in the same street where this lady was killed.

I doubt it's a coincidence

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XenoBitch · 04/10/2022 19:48

ChilliBandit · 04/10/2022 19:09

I’ve never known a dog who has tried to attack cats in their garden. I don’t think that’s normal.

Sighthounds, and ex racing greyhounds in particular, will kill a cat in their own garden.

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MaybeIWillFuckOffThen · 04/10/2022 19:49

Whammyyammy · 04/10/2022 18:16

Agreed, small dogs aren't going to cause injury, but small dogs like to run up to big dogs yapping and snapping... that usually upsets big dogs, big dog then bites small dog, small dog owners then complain....

I don't give a monkey's what one dog does to another dog, I hate all of them. But dogs are killing people. This actually matters. And all the "well I've got a [insert massive, commonly aggressive breed here] and he's a total softy, wouldn't hurt a fly" people are just perpetuating the problem. There is literally no need for anyone to have a domestic pet capable of killing another human being, whether they think they ever would or not. We license guns not because we think every gun will go off and kill someone, but because they might. Dogs are bloody dangerous and should be restricted likewise.

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Chesneyhawkes1 · 04/10/2022 19:50

No point in adding XL bullies to the list.

The "type" of owner who allows their dogs to attack and kill people, will just move on to another breed.

It's always the same story. Dog bought cheaply off some website, living in unsuitable conditions, owned by some idiot who thinks he's tough walking around with it.

These cretins take a fancy to a dog breed and ruin it. Just look what they did to Staffies. They shouldn't be allowed to own a pot plant.

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Marigoldandivy · 04/10/2022 19:50

The OP actually asked when the Government would be likely to review the legislation on this issue. Realistically, as far as this government goes, With the perfect storm of problems it has brought on itself, I think this issue will come precisely nowhere in its list of ‘to do’s’.

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MaybeIWillFuckOffThen · 04/10/2022 19:50

Florenz · 04/10/2022 18:17

It shouldn't be a matter of banning dogs, all dogs should be banned unless specifically approved, dog license should be required and you should have to pass a test to get one. And an additional test to own more than one dog. Every dog should be registered to an owner and any injuries or killings committed by the dog should be treated as if they were committed by the owner.

100% this

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Crazykatie · 04/10/2022 19:50

I’d vote for dog licensing and compulsory training for owners, but it ain’t going to happen, you can have all the laws you want but there will be some that will ignore them.
If dogs are in a restaurant I’ll eat elsewhere.

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XenoBitch · 04/10/2022 19:50

If you label a breed as dangerous, you make it desirable for the people who should not be having any dog, let alone one that can inflict a lot of damage.

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ChilliBandit · 04/10/2022 19:51

User686545677 · 04/10/2022 19:38

What’s a KS spaniel?

I meant KC Spaniel as in King Charles but it autocorrected

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MinnyMous · 04/10/2022 19:52

Recently I have come across two young men both with XL bullies. I was chatting to the first one at a bus stop and he told me he didn't plan on doing any training with his dog. The second I met at the vets and his dogs ears were clipped, which is illegal, and he also said he wasn't planning on doing any training. The dogs were both large puppy stage and I dread to think how they will be when they are fully grown. Uncontrollable I suspect.

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XenoBitch · 04/10/2022 19:56

MinnyMous · 04/10/2022 19:52

Recently I have come across two young men both with XL bullies. I was chatting to the first one at a bus stop and he told me he didn't plan on doing any training with his dog. The second I met at the vets and his dogs ears were clipped, which is illegal, and he also said he wasn't planning on doing any training. The dogs were both large puppy stage and I dread to think how they will be when they are fully grown. Uncontrollable I suspect.

I have also seen a lot of XL bullies with clipped ears, including a puppy. Who is carrying out these procedures?

I believe in blaming the owner, not the dog. There is a guy on my FB who has a Cane Corso, and he is taking him to classes, socialising him, doing all the right things basically. My old neighbour had a staffy, and they also took him to classes etc.

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pigsDOfly · 04/10/2022 19:56

Whammyyammy · 04/10/2022 18:16

Agreed, small dogs aren't going to cause injury, but small dogs like to run up to big dogs yapping and snapping... that usually upsets big dogs, big dog then bites small dog, small dog owners then complain....

As the owner of a small dog - not a chihuahua - who has never in her life run up to a big dog yapping and snapping nor done anything else to either a large or small dog, I can only say, in reply to the above that if the owner of a small dog allows that sort of behaviour, then they've only got themselves to blame if their small dog get injured.

Having said that, large dog biting small dog has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with the dangerous dogs act.

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3ormoredogs · 04/10/2022 19:58

I stick back together (or don’t, sadly) at least one dog every couple of weeks that’s been torn apart by some kind of bull breed. It’s always a bull breed, I can predict the circumstances of the event before I've even heard the story, it’s like Groundhog Day.

No chihuahua maulings that I can remember though, funnily enough.

I love all dogs but I think the time has come for a ban or very strict legislation on any dog that is from a fighting or predatory background. I would probably support lead laws if it would prevent some of the horrors I have seen.

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InCheesusWeTrust · 04/10/2022 20:00

XenoBitch · 04/10/2022 19:56

I have also seen a lot of XL bullies with clipped ears, including a puppy. Who is carrying out these procedures?

I believe in blaming the owner, not the dog. There is a guy on my FB who has a Cane Corso, and he is taking him to classes, socialising him, doing all the right things basically. My old neighbour had a staffy, and they also took him to classes etc.

It should be really normal to go to classes and owners with untrained dogs should be zocially unacceptable.

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FitAt50 · 04/10/2022 20:01

I don't think the issue is the dangerous dogs, its the scummy families who buy them and treat them badly. This always seems to happen in rough areas and never in normal homes.

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cata09x · 04/10/2022 20:03

FitAt50 · 04/10/2022 20:01

I don't think the issue is the dangerous dogs, its the scummy families who buy them and treat them badly. This always seems to happen in rough areas and never in normal homes.

Completely agree!

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Indoctro · 04/10/2022 20:04

It should be done on dogs weight

Anything over 30kg should require a experienced owner.

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Lovenne · 04/10/2022 20:05

Every dog should be registered to an owner and any injuries or killings committed by the dog should be treated as if they were committed by the owner.

I disagree with this for all cases. For example, springer spaniels can be the best trained dogs, but although rare, they can suffer from something called Rage Syndrome, or sudden onset aggression. It is treatable usually, but it wouldn't be the fault of the owner if a well trained dog were with a person and then had this occur and injured a person. It usually does have some kind of medical basis to it, hence being treatable.

The dog will suddenly act aggressively toward anyone nearby, but minutes later will be calm and normal. The dog does not seem to remember or realize what has taken place and may act immediately friendly to the person(s) whom they attacked. Attacks such as these cannot be prevented with training because it is a problem that the dog seemingly cannot consciously control.

It would be very unfair to treat an owner of a dog who was not known to have this condition be treated as if they purposely attacked someone.

It's not black and white in that sense

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cata09x · 04/10/2022 20:09

Indoctro · 04/10/2022 20:04

It should be done on dogs weight

Anything over 30kg should require a experienced owner.

That's a ridiculous idea- average Staffordshire bulldogs weight is 13kg. What good does doing it on a dogs weight do. Some Labrador's weigh around the 30kg mark shall we ban the UK's most popular dog just because they're slightly larger than what we think is "safe"😂.

We need to stop stereotyping dogs. I've had more problems with smaller dogs than I have had large because at least the large breed owners I come into contact with when walking my dogs are responsible with their dog. Small breed owners seem to think because their dog weighs 5kg it can do whatever it likes.

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LosingMyPancakes · 04/10/2022 20:11

All these licenses, insurances, compulsory trainings are great in theory but absolutely useless in practice. As some PP's pointed out, the type of people who have these dogs are not going to do any of it... And our police force is far too under-resourced to investigate and prosecute them all.

There was an incident not too far from me where a sighthound got attacked by a pitbull type and it's throat almost ripped out. The "owner" lost 3 fingers getting the thing off. My stomach drops every time I'm walking my greyhound and see a staffy/bully type ahead 😫

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MaybeIWillFuckOffThen · 04/10/2022 20:12

Lovenne · 04/10/2022 20:05

Every dog should be registered to an owner and any injuries or killings committed by the dog should be treated as if they were committed by the owner.

I disagree with this for all cases. For example, springer spaniels can be the best trained dogs, but although rare, they can suffer from something called Rage Syndrome, or sudden onset aggression. It is treatable usually, but it wouldn't be the fault of the owner if a well trained dog were with a person and then had this occur and injured a person. It usually does have some kind of medical basis to it, hence being treatable.

The dog will suddenly act aggressively toward anyone nearby, but minutes later will be calm and normal. The dog does not seem to remember or realize what has taken place and may act immediately friendly to the person(s) whom they attacked. Attacks such as these cannot be prevented with training because it is a problem that the dog seemingly cannot consciously control.

It would be very unfair to treat an owner of a dog who was not known to have this condition be treated as if they purposely attacked someone.

It's not black and white in that sense

So there is a recognised risk of the dog becoming violent and dangerous, without warning and therefore nothing the owner can do to mediate the risk... And your answer to this is that the owner should be let off?? As opposed to, maybe, the dog is potentially dangerous and shouldn't be allowed??

Seriously dog people are mad. Just like fun people in the US. Totally irrational commitment to their "right" to endanger everyone else no matter how many bodies pile up.

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XenoBitch · 04/10/2022 20:12

Indoctro · 04/10/2022 20:04

It should be done on dogs weight

Anything over 30kg should require a experienced owner.

My greyhound came from a litter of seven. Five were girls, and are all 26-28kg. The boys are over 35kg.
How would this rule make any sense?

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MaybeIWillFuckOffThen · 04/10/2022 20:13

*gun people I mean. Nothing fun about either obsession.

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