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To wonder when the UK government plan to revisit the dangerous dogs act?

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EbbyEbs · 04/10/2022 17:56

Woman killed by American Bulldogs.

This is just another victim to add to the list of dog fatalities in recent years - yet another American Bulldog.

Britain must have one of the most pathetic dog regulations in the world - only 3 breeds in the list and two of those breeds most people have never heard of.

When will the government do something?? How many more people need to die?

And it’s not just about banning breeds - they need to tighten up the laws in owning dogs in the first place.

Many states in America have tight regulations around many breeds common in the UK including Shar Pei, Rhodesian Ridgebacks, Dobermann and even German shepherds.

AIBU to think Britain needs to wake up to the dangers of irresponsible dog ownership?

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CaptainBarbosa · 04/10/2022 20:14

It's the owners not the dog.

I have a mastiff/cross thing, I didn't choose it. Late husband came home from the pub with a "puppy" for our son.

Another thread 🤣

But he's gentle, well socialised, has never bitten or attacked anyone or anything, he walks beautifully on the lead, has exceptional recall compared to my old cocker spaniel! He doesn't steal food, or go through the bins and his best friend is, the cat. He loves that cat.

He's my family member and a well loved one. He's so patient and cuddly wth DS also who is 8 now, he sleeps at the side of DS's bed at night.

If you train this XL breeds well they are lovely pets. Problem is they are becoming a "status" dog and weaponised by the wrong people.

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BonesOfWhatYouBelieve · 04/10/2022 20:16

The parents should have been prosecuted, but then people say things like “losing their child is enough punishment.” I disagree. Losing their child was their fault for being so negligent when buying a dog off the internet.

I completely agree with you. The parents should absolutely be prosecuted in cases like this.

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Lovenne · 04/10/2022 20:18

So there is a recognised risk of the dog becoming violent and dangerous, without warning and therefore nothing the owner can do to mediate the risk... And your answer to this is that the owner should be let off?? As opposed to, maybe, the dog is potentially dangerous and shouldn't be allowed??

The problem is you won't know if a dog has it really until it happens. It can occur in any breed but is very rare. My point wasn't that they shouldn't be banned, was it? My point is if it's legal to own these dogs - it's more often found in cocker and Springer spaniels (not breeds anyone would call dangerous) - then it's not really the owner's fault if they were unaware their dog had it.

If you want to argue banning dogs who could possibly ever get this, that's different. I didn't even say I would disagree with you! But of course I'm just mad 😂

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luckylavender · 04/10/2022 20:21

Signeduptosimplyreplytothis · 04/10/2022 17:59

Yanbu but I want them to start adding neurotic small breeds like Chihuahua's to the list too not just focus on the big breeds

A chihuahua is not going to kill you though

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Unforgettablefire · 04/10/2022 20:22

They say blame the deed not the breed. Which in a sense is true but because although you get some right little shitbags when it comes to small dogs you don't always hear about it, the damage caused by the big breed dogs is nearly always catastrophic so it's going to hit the news every time and that breed gets a shit name.

Of course something needs to be done but what? And how can it be policed? Maybe enforced training and a certificate for every dog owner would be a start but the dangerous dog legislation isn't enough.

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Hoppinggreen · 04/10/2022 20:23

FitAt50 · 04/10/2022 20:01

I don't think the issue is the dangerous dogs, its the scummy families who buy them and treat them badly. This always seems to happen in rough areas and never in normal homes.

There is almost a checklist when this happens

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Indoctro · 04/10/2022 20:23

@cata09x yes a Labrador of that weight needs a experienced owner and licenced

My dog has been attacked on 3 separate occasions by Labradors and I struggled to drag the dog off due to its weight.

It was quite frankly terrifying

So I'm sorry labs absolutely need experienced owners, all large dogs do.

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Shortjanet · 04/10/2022 20:23

BonesOfWhatYouBelieve · 04/10/2022 20:16

The parents should have been prosecuted, but then people say things like “losing their child is enough punishment.” I disagree. Losing their child was their fault for being so negligent when buying a dog off the internet.

I completely agree with you. The parents should absolutely be prosecuted in cases like this.

But would they have been deterred more by prosecution than by risking their child? What point does it actually serve? Also to the pp who suggested a weight cut off - it's an irrelevance. If I had to choose for my kids to interact with a random Labrador (>30kg) or random Shar pei (<30kg) I know which I'd choose. (Disclaimer - obvs variation within each example breed!)

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XenoBitch · 04/10/2022 20:24

luckylavender · 04/10/2022 20:21

A chihuahua is not going to kill you though

If it was bigger, it could. The point is, the owners let them get away with their behaviour because they can't cause much damage. Small dog syndrome.

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Unforgettablefire · 04/10/2022 20:24

Any dog can kill under the right circumstances @luckylavender. Just because they're little doesn't mean they can't be dangerous.

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Hoppinggreen · 04/10/2022 20:25

Indoctro · 04/10/2022 20:04

It should be done on dogs weight

Anything over 30kg should require a experienced owner.

My Golden Retriever is 40kg

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MaybeIWillFuckOffThen · 04/10/2022 20:27

Lovenne · 04/10/2022 20:18

So there is a recognised risk of the dog becoming violent and dangerous, without warning and therefore nothing the owner can do to mediate the risk... And your answer to this is that the owner should be let off?? As opposed to, maybe, the dog is potentially dangerous and shouldn't be allowed??

The problem is you won't know if a dog has it really until it happens. It can occur in any breed but is very rare. My point wasn't that they shouldn't be banned, was it? My point is if it's legal to own these dogs - it's more often found in cocker and Springer spaniels (not breeds anyone would call dangerous) - then it's not really the owner's fault if they were unaware their dog had it.

If you want to argue banning dogs who could possibly ever get this, that's different. I didn't even say I would disagree with you! But of course I'm just mad 😂

Of course they're responsible if they chose to own the dog knowing this was a risk (albeit rare). They've knowingly decided their desire to own a dog is more important than the risk to other people. Or if they didn't know then they are guilty of negligence leading to the injury/death of another person. For what possible reason could this be excused?

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worriedniece · 04/10/2022 20:27

9 deaths by dogs this year. It's horrendous.

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cata09x · 04/10/2022 20:28

Indoctro · 04/10/2022 20:23

@cata09x yes a Labrador of that weight needs a experienced owner and licenced

My dog has been attacked on 3 separate occasions by Labradors and I struggled to drag the dog off due to its weight.

It was quite frankly terrifying

So I'm sorry labs absolutely need experienced owners, all large dogs do.

I understand what you're saying but I don't think smaller dogs are any better.

It all comes down to responsibility. No dog should be off lead in public spaces without a good re call. When other dogs are approached which are on lead owners should put their dog on lead etc etc.

People expect everyone's dog to want to play now a days and my dogs are all trained to ignore other dogs so in their case they do not want to play.

I do understand where you're coming from but my German shepherd has been attacked by both a spaniel and a terrier type dog on two seperate occasions and it turned him dog reactive for a while (sorted out by a good trainer eventually) that could've easily been prevented if owners had good recall and obedience of their dogs.

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MaybeIWillFuckOffThen · 04/10/2022 20:30

And yes as far as I'm concerned all dogs should be banned unless they are working dogs with a demonstrable purpose that could not be fulfilled any other, safer way, adequately trained and we'll controlled. Domestic dogs are all dangerous because people go down this silly "he's part of the family, he's like my third baby, he wouldn't hurt a fly" anthropomorphism instead of seeing them for the animals they are. Small dogs are just as unpredictable and aggressive but less likely to maim or kill so maybe some sort of weight grading could be employed if unavoidable but I don't see why dogs as pets needs to be a thing at all. Plenty of other animals that can give companionship and joy which don't have to be let out on the street where other people have to tolerate them and accept the risk of harm on someone else's behalf.

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Queuesarasarah · 04/10/2022 20:32

Totally agree. You’ll get owners of some of these breeds claiming that it’s all about training (and no doubt you can train them) but you don’t hear of a King Charles spaniel killing a child or a poodle biting someone so badly they need stitches. So clearly breed plays a huge role.

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pigsDOfly · 04/10/2022 20:33

cata09x · 04/10/2022 20:09

That's a ridiculous idea- average Staffordshire bulldogs weight is 13kg. What good does doing it on a dogs weight do. Some Labrador's weigh around the 30kg mark shall we ban the UK's most popular dog just because they're slightly larger than what we think is "safe"😂.

We need to stop stereotyping dogs. I've had more problems with smaller dogs than I have had large because at least the large breed owners I come into contact with when walking my dogs are responsible with their dog. Small breed owners seem to think because their dog weighs 5kg it can do whatever it likes.

cata09x It might have been helpful to have put the word 'Some' in front of your last sentence: as in 'Some small breed owners seem to think because their dog weight 5kg it can do whatever it likes.

Most of the problems I've had on walks with my dog have been due to large dogs running up to her, and me, and jumping all over her/me but I wouldn't make the assumption that all owners of large dogs think that their dogs can do whatever they like, despite the fact that I've been shouted and sworn at by said owners because I've asked them to call their untrained dogs off us.

Or maybe it is reasonable for the owners of large dogs to allow their dog to cover other dog walker in muddy paw marks and I've missed that memo.

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Lovenne · 04/10/2022 20:34

Of course they're responsible if they chose to own the dog knowing this was a risk (albeit rare).

Well then you're going to have ban a lot of dog breeds, including Golden Retrievers and labradors and border collies and any other breed that has ever had an incidence of this

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XenoBitch · 04/10/2022 20:35

Queuesarasarah · 04/10/2022 20:32

Totally agree. You’ll get owners of some of these breeds claiming that it’s all about training (and no doubt you can train them) but you don’t hear of a King Charles spaniel killing a child or a poodle biting someone so badly they need stitches. So clearly breed plays a huge role.

You don't hear about the smaller dogs biting people to the point of needing stitches, because it does not make the news. You only hear about deaths, or maulings of small children.
Small dogs biting, and causing stitches, happens all the time.

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Olivetreebutter · 04/10/2022 20:36

LoobyDop · 04/10/2022 18:45

It has killed cats and it hasn’t been put down?! Wtaf?!

Because it's a dog. I have a sighthound and she'd kill a cat if she had the opportunity. It's horrible and sad but it's also nature. She's not aggressive and a total softie, but she's bred (she's salukix so over 6,000 years of breeding) to chase and kill furry animals.
Should we slaughter all sighthounds as a result?
Dogs will kill, they're carnivores and hunters. As an owner I put things in place to limit or prevent - I try to keep cats out of my garden, she is muzzled off lead outside etc. But I have had some close calls when a neighbours cat goes in my garden and I don't notice when letting the dog out. Thankfully the cats can run fast.

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BirmaBrite · 04/10/2022 20:38

These dogs weigh double or more, than labradors or retrievers.

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Anxiernie · 04/10/2022 20:39

It has killed cats and it hasn’t been put down?! Wtaf?!

What if someone's cat kills my pet rabbit, should the cat be put down? Outdoor cats can be a menace and kill other wildlife but many cat owners don't give a shit, but wouldn't want a dog to attack their cat.

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MaybeIWillFuckOffThen · 04/10/2022 20:39

Fine by me! Smelly, gormless, dangerous creatures the lot of them. I'd be happy never to see another dog in a public place ever again.

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Lovenne · 04/10/2022 20:40

Gormless. Yes, border collies are known to be thick 🙄

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Lopilo · 04/10/2022 20:46

It isn’t really about the breed. It is about the terrible owners. I think they should bring back licensing. People should have to attend and pay for a compulsory course on dog care and training, prior to getting the license. If people don’t have the money and time for the the license and course, then they don’t have the money and time for a dog. With a few exceptions, most of my friends who have dogs don’t really have time for them and haven’t really trained them properly.

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