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Oh will you look at that! A government u-turn!

723 replies

tenbob · 03/10/2022 07:31

AIBU to think this government is now totally dead in the water..?

Wonder what all the Truss handmaidens tying themselves in knots to defend the tax cut will say now..?

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BonesOfWhatYouBelieve · 03/10/2022 09:09

But no one is saying they shouldn't have reversed the policy, so Labour U turns aren't relevant.
People are saying that the policy shouldn't have existed, and that therefore Truss shouldn't get a pat on the back for reversing it. That's not the same as saying "u turns are bad and they shouldn't have done it".

icelolly12 · 03/10/2022 09:09

I'm glad they've U turned. I just wish they hadn't made the ridiculous decision in the first place. It was madness and has proved their utter incompetency.

Notonthestairs · 03/10/2022 09:09

Take your point BuildersTeaMaker. But they've lost an extraordinary amount of political goodwill and financial credibility. But yes they'll remain in power and if voted out leave a country with decimated public services.

Livelovebehappy · 03/10/2022 09:10

Surely It’s a sign of a good leader to admit a policy they have implemented is wrong, and to scrap it? Far worse to know it’s wrong and continue with it.

Croque · 03/10/2022 09:10

Thanks You Michael Gove
(I never thought I'd say that!)
What a u turn from 24 hours ago when she was demanding trust behind an assertive, determined front.

walkingonsunshinekat · 03/10/2022 09:10

@BoxcarMilly
Have a look back at the Labour Government's U turn during the IMF crisis in 1976 (James Callaghan was Chancellor then)

Ha ha you'll have to U Turn on that statement... what a ...

PerfectlyPreservedQuagaarWarrior · 03/10/2022 09:11

GottaGetOutofDairy · 03/10/2022 09:00

I also can't believe they didn't change the 20%/40% thresholds. That would have achieved their aim but in a way that would have driven the right headlines (for them) and provided great cover for the other (fucking awful) decisions about the environment, welfare and freeports.

This is such an own goal that it's hard to imagine they are anything other than dead ducks floating.

Yeah, it's just not the sort of thing you can do if you want to get back in.

YouCanSpeakWhenYoureMakingSense · 03/10/2022 09:12

I’m now pissed because I played the drinking game this morning whenever KK said ‘Distraction’.

and to the apologists on here: Stop chatting shit.

SleeplessInEngland · 03/10/2022 09:12

BoxcarMilly · 03/10/2022 08:52

@SleeplessInEngland

Have a look back at the Labour Government's U turn during the IMF crisis in 1976 (James Callaghan was Chancellor then)

and here's more, not as dire, (that's if it didn't affect you) ; www.insidehousing.co.uk/insight/insight/from-the-archive--labours-decent-homes-u-turn-59886

www.annemariemorris.co.uk/news/labour-government-must-u-turn-plans-hit-families-new-car-taxes

Christ, we're going all the way back to 1976 with the the whataboutery! 😆

Croque · 03/10/2022 09:12

Larry The Cat for PM!

YouCanSpeakWhenYoureMakingSense · 03/10/2022 09:13

Dreikanter · 03/10/2022 09:07

Vote Mogg for PM - goose quills for everyone.

(No, really, please don’t - we’ll all be promised goose quills but only get a single Haunted Pencil).

🤣

BoxcarMilly · 03/10/2022 09:13

@walkingonsunshinekat "Ha ha you'll have to U Turn on that statement... what a ..."

???? 😕

Twillow · 03/10/2022 09:14

And no doubt the Tory voters will bleat that this, too, is a clear sign of how wonderful their party is.
Jaw-dropping incompetence.

icelolly12 · 03/10/2022 09:15

Livelovebehappy · 03/10/2022 09:10

Surely It’s a sign of a good leader to admit a policy they have implemented is wrong, and to scrap it? Far worse to know it’s wrong and continue with it.

How is it a sign of a good leader to make such a ridiculous policy that crashes the economy?! This was foreseeable.

Plus I don't think they had much choice about the U turn.

theworldhas · 03/10/2022 09:15

@GottaGetOutofDairy

I also can't believe they didn't change the 20%/40% thresholds. That would have achieved their aim but in a way that would have driven the right headlines (for them) and provided great cover for the other (fucking awful) decisions about the environment, welfare and freeports

I think it’s because the Tories have, since Thatcher, been ideologically driven by US style neo-liberalism. Not, of course, by small c conservatism. (which is why, among hundreds of other examples, they now keep appointing adulterers as PM). So anyway, it’s not about what works it’s about what ticks the right ideological boxes and gets them a lay on the head from the financial elite and corporations that run the show. Hence the 45p tax cut. They couldn’t give a flying fuck what is in the “best interests of society” - they’ve got rules to follow:
Private sector good, public sector bad.
More money into pockets of rich good (wealth creators)
More money into hands of poor bad (alcohol and cigarettes)
etc

SleeplessInEngland · 03/10/2022 09:15

Livelovebehappy · 03/10/2022 09:10

Surely It’s a sign of a good leader to admit a policy they have implemented is wrong, and to scrap it? Far worse to know it’s wrong and continue with it.

Yes, let's all shower her with praise.

(Hint: people aren't angry at the u-turn.)

theworldhas · 03/10/2022 09:16

a pat on the head ^ though “lay” arguably works pretty well.

walkingonsunshinekat · 03/10/2022 09:16

BoxcarMilly · 03/10/2022 09:13

@walkingonsunshinekat "Ha ha you'll have to U Turn on that statement... what a ..."

???? 😕

Callaghan wasn't Chancellor in 1976 - might be wise to get your facts right before coming out with ever more absurd comparisons.

BoxcarMilly · 03/10/2022 09:17

@SleeplessInEngland "we're going all the way back to 1976 with the the whataboutery"

It's still true whether you like it or not !

RedAppleGirl · 03/10/2022 09:17

MiniTheMinx · 03/10/2022 08:18

Ungovernable? if only that were the case. These evil cretins are pulling apart the very fabric of society in order to wage a war upon ordinary working people. And you think those same ordinary working people are Ungovernable because someone said something on twitter! If we were ungovernable then Truss et al wouldn't be in a position to land us with another £65 billion in debt. They are quite literally borrowing money in our name and shovelling it straight into the pickets of those already rich off of our excited Labour. Go boil your head you silly person.

Go boil your head!

That just about sums up the level of political and economic debate on social media.

Notonthestairs · 03/10/2022 09:17

And yet you are RedAppleGirl.

Notonthestairs · 03/10/2022 09:18

That was missing a here!

PerfectlyPreservedQuagaarWarrior · 03/10/2022 09:18

Let us not allow this discussion about a Tory government U-turn in 2022 to be derailed into a discussion about 1976. It's a daft enough attempt at whataboutery that it can stand by itself.

Back onto the point, conference is going to be lit.

BoxcarMilly · 03/10/2022 09:21

@walkingonsunshinekat "Callaghan wasn't Chancellor in 1976 - might be wise to get your facts right before coming out with ever more absurd comparisons."

You are quite right, thank you for that correction - he was actually Prime Minister at the time (!)

And here's a book about it entitled "When Britain went Bust"

www.ft.com/content/3b583050-d277-11e6-b06b-680c49b4b4c0

borntobequiet · 03/10/2022 09:21

The Restoration of the Monarchy in 1660 was a pretty spectacular U-turn, though, like all the others mentioned by our friends from the land of Whataboutery, completely irrelevant on here.

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